Knowing so little about early American people and their arrivals, I was intrigued with the Winthrop Fleet.
I found a website telling the over all picture. The names of the ships involved were given :
Arabella - the Flagship
Ambrose
Talbot
Charles
Mayflower
William & Francis
Hopewell
Whale
Success
Trial
-----------------------------------
First five ships went and then the other half, all having arrived by end of July 1630
Then I found a list of the passengers with (if known) their places of origin and where they moved to.
I found Adam Hawkes 1605-1671/2 with the description "
Family lore has Adam emigrating with the Governor Winthrop Fleet in 1630, claiming that he was a passenger on the "Mary & John" However there is no proof.
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No proof? If he travelled on the Mary & John, then he travelled on a ship not mentioned in the list of ships belonging to the Winthrop Fleet.
Am I missing something? Can anyone explain why is said he was on the Winthrop Fleet but the Mary & John was not part of that fleet.
This Adam Hawkes has very interesting deswcendants :
John Adams 2nd President of the USA
John Quincy Adams 6th President of the USA
John Pierpont Morgan Jr.
Lady Diana Spencer
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
Gateway Gaffe ?
Moderator: MOD_nyhetsgrupper
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Gateway Gaffe ?
Leo, _American Ancestors and Cousins of the Princess of Wales_ does place
Adam Hawkes in the Winthrop Fleet. Roberts and Reitweisner also have Adam
as ---- baptized Higham, Norfolk, England 26 Jan 1605 as Adam and son of
John Hawke. He reportedly died in Lynn, Massachusetts, 13 Mar 1671/72. [p.
31]. No mention of the ship he arrived in.
He allegedly settled in Charlestown, in Lynn 1638 and married Charlestown,
circa 1631, as her second husband.
The source used by Roberts and Reitweisner, or at least one of them, is
Smith, Ethel Farrington _Adam Hawkes of Saugus, Mass., 1605-1672: The First
Six Generations in America_, Baltimore, 1980, pp. 1-31.
If you can find that book perhaps your dilemma will be resolved, perhaps
not. Does anyone here have it?
The Winthrop Fleet story may just be Family Lore.
All Best Wishes,
DSH
"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.2681.1170544794.30800.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
Knowing so little about early American people and their arrivals, I was
intrigued with the Winthrop Fleet.
I found a website telling the over all picture. The names of the ships
involved were given :
Arabella - the Flagship
Ambrose
Talbot
Charles
Mayflower
William & Francis
Hopewell
Whale
Success
Trial
-----------------------------------
First five ships went and then the other half, all having arrived by end of
July 1630
Then I found a list of the passengers with (if known) their places of origin
and where they moved to.
I found Adam Hawkes 1605-1671/2 with the description "
Family lore has Adam emigrating with the Governor Winthrop Fleet in 1630,
claiming that he was a passenger on the "Mary & John" However there is no
proof.
---------------------------------------
No proof? If he travelled on the Mary & John, then he travelled on a ship
not mentioned in the list of ships belonging to the Winthrop Fleet.
Am I missing something? Can anyone explain why is said he was on the
Winthrop Fleet but the Mary & John was not part of that fleet.
This Adam Hawkes has very interesting deswcendants :
John Adams 2nd President of the USA
John Quincy Adams 6th President of the USA
John Pierpont Morgan Jr.
Lady Diana Spencer
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
Adam Hawkes in the Winthrop Fleet. Roberts and Reitweisner also have Adam
as ---- baptized Higham, Norfolk, England 26 Jan 1605 as Adam and son of
John Hawke. He reportedly died in Lynn, Massachusetts, 13 Mar 1671/72. [p.
31]. No mention of the ship he arrived in.
He allegedly settled in Charlestown, in Lynn 1638 and married Charlestown,
circa 1631, as her second husband.
The source used by Roberts and Reitweisner, or at least one of them, is
Smith, Ethel Farrington _Adam Hawkes of Saugus, Mass., 1605-1672: The First
Six Generations in America_, Baltimore, 1980, pp. 1-31.
If you can find that book perhaps your dilemma will be resolved, perhaps
not. Does anyone here have it?
The Winthrop Fleet story may just be Family Lore.
All Best Wishes,
DSH
"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.2681.1170544794.30800.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
Knowing so little about early American people and their arrivals, I was
intrigued with the Winthrop Fleet.
I found a website telling the over all picture. The names of the ships
involved were given :
Arabella - the Flagship
Ambrose
Talbot
Charles
Mayflower
William & Francis
Hopewell
Whale
Success
Trial
-----------------------------------
First five ships went and then the other half, all having arrived by end of
July 1630
Then I found a list of the passengers with (if known) their places of origin
and where they moved to.
I found Adam Hawkes 1605-1671/2 with the description "
Family lore has Adam emigrating with the Governor Winthrop Fleet in 1630,
claiming that he was a passenger on the "Mary & John" However there is no
proof.
---------------------------------------
No proof? If he travelled on the Mary & John, then he travelled on a ship
not mentioned in the list of ships belonging to the Winthrop Fleet.
Am I missing something? Can anyone explain why is said he was on the
Winthrop Fleet but the Mary & John was not part of that fleet.
This Adam Hawkes has very interesting deswcendants :
John Adams 2nd President of the USA
John Quincy Adams 6th President of the USA
John Pierpont Morgan Jr.
Lady Diana Spencer
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
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D. Patterson
Re: Gateway Gaffe ?
"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:py9xh.17$T25.102@eagle.america.net...
Winthrop's Fleet represented the sailing voyages of only one major part of
the emigration shipping on behalf of the Massachusetss Bay Company. Much
smaller advance parties sailed from England to New England in the years
preceding 1630 to prepare for the arrival of Winthrop's Fleet and subsequent
Massachusetts Bay Company emmigrations. MARY & JOHN had long experience in
such voyages to New England. In 1630, MARY & JOHN was owned by one of the
Assistants of the Massachusetts Bay Company, Roger Ludlow, who was one of
two Assistants to travel aboard this voyage. MARY & JOHN departed Plymouth,
England on 20 March 1630 on an independent voyage and arrived in New England
on 30 May 1630. The first ships of Winthrop's Fleet began arriving at the
Colony about two weeks later on 12 June 1630, and the last of the ship
arrived during the month of July. The passenger list of the MARY & JOHN on
this voyage was not preserved, so various imperfect efforts to reconstruct
the probable passenger list have been attempted. Although the passengers
aboard the MARY & JOHN for the 1630 voyage are not among the passengers of
the eleven ships of Winthrop's Fleet 1630 voyage, they were very much
participants in the same 1630 emigration of the Massachusetts Bay Company
settlers.
news:py9xh.17$T25.102@eagle.america.net...
Leo, _American Ancestors and Cousins of the Princess of Wales_ does place
Adam Hawkes in the Winthrop Fleet. Roberts and Reitweisner also have Adam
as ---- baptized Higham, Norfolk, England 26 Jan 1605 as Adam and son of
John Hawke. He reportedly died in Lynn, Massachusetts, 13 Mar 1671/72.
[p. 31]. No mention of the ship he arrived in.
He allegedly settled in Charlestown, in Lynn 1638 and married Charlestown,
circa 1631, as her second husband.
The source used by Roberts and Reitweisner, or at least one of them, is
Smith, Ethel Farrington _Adam Hawkes of Saugus, Mass., 1605-1672: The
First Six Generations in America_, Baltimore, 1980, pp. 1-31.
If you can find that book perhaps your dilemma will be resolved, perhaps
not. Does anyone here have it?
The Winthrop Fleet story may just be Family Lore.
All Best Wishes,
DSH
"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.2681.1170544794.30800.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
Knowing so little about early American people and their arrivals, I was
intrigued with the Winthrop Fleet.
I found a website telling the over all picture. The names of the ships
involved were given :
Arabella - the Flagship
Ambrose
Talbot
Charles
Mayflower
William & Francis
Hopewell
Whale
Success
Trial
-----------------------------------
First five ships went and then the other half, all having arrived by end
of July 1630
Then I found a list of the passengers with (if known) their places of
origin and where they moved to.
I found Adam Hawkes 1605-1671/2 with the description "
Family lore has Adam emigrating with the Governor Winthrop Fleet in 1630,
claiming that he was a passenger on the "Mary & John" However there is no
proof.
---------------------------------------
No proof? If he travelled on the Mary & John, then he travelled on a ship
not mentioned in the list of ships belonging to the Winthrop Fleet.
Am I missing something? Can anyone explain why is said he was on the
Winthrop Fleet but the Mary & John was not part of that fleet.
Winthrop's Fleet represented the sailing voyages of only one major part of
the emigration shipping on behalf of the Massachusetss Bay Company. Much
smaller advance parties sailed from England to New England in the years
preceding 1630 to prepare for the arrival of Winthrop's Fleet and subsequent
Massachusetts Bay Company emmigrations. MARY & JOHN had long experience in
such voyages to New England. In 1630, MARY & JOHN was owned by one of the
Assistants of the Massachusetts Bay Company, Roger Ludlow, who was one of
two Assistants to travel aboard this voyage. MARY & JOHN departed Plymouth,
England on 20 March 1630 on an independent voyage and arrived in New England
on 30 May 1630. The first ships of Winthrop's Fleet began arriving at the
Colony about two weeks later on 12 June 1630, and the last of the ship
arrived during the month of July. The passenger list of the MARY & JOHN on
this voyage was not preserved, so various imperfect efforts to reconstruct
the probable passenger list have been attempted. Although the passengers
aboard the MARY & JOHN for the 1630 voyage are not among the passengers of
the eleven ships of Winthrop's Fleet 1630 voyage, they were very much
participants in the same 1630 emigration of the Massachusetts Bay Company
settlers.
This Adam Hawkes has very interesting deswcendants :
John Adams 2nd President of the USA
John Quincy Adams 6th President of the USA
John Pierpont Morgan Jr.
Lady Diana Spencer
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia