ESTE/ARIOSTO or SAXE

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jlucsoler

ESTE/ARIOSTO or SAXE

Legg inn av jlucsoler » 03 feb 2007 17:36:34

Hi,

I can't find ant good source to give me the parents of Aldobrandino D'ESTE
14/09/1335-03/11/1361 (x 18/11/1351 Beatrix DA CAMINO)

Are they Obizzo D'ESTE and Lippa ARIOSTO
or as i saw in some trees
Obizzo D'ESTE x Elisabeth of SAXE-WITTEMBERG

any informations would be welcome

thanks


JL

Cesare Patrignani

Re: ESTE/ARIOSTO or SAXE

Legg inn av Cesare Patrignani » 04 feb 2007 09:48:12

I try to translate from italian into english from the book: "Gli Estensi -
Mille anni di Storia" - author: Luciano Chiappini - Ferrara 2001:

" The marques (Obizzo III) ...widow of Giacoma, daughter of Romeo Pepoli,
had married in extremis, before her death, his mistress Lippa Ariosti, by
whom he fathered eleven or maybe twelve children"

In the book no mention is made of Elisabeth of Saxe Wittenberg, but this is
a name that I find every now and then as a wife of Obizzo III
in table 196 of Europaische Stammtafeln ( Die Herzoge und Kurfursten von
Sachsen Wittenberg), I can find only three ladies with the name of Elisabeth
1) Elisabeth + 1306 wife of Johann Graf von Holstein - Schaumburg
2) her half - sister Elisabeth + 1293 wife of Konrad graf von Brehna
both of them daughters of Albrecht I Herzog zu Sachsen Wittenberg
3) Elisabeth died after 1351 who married Waldemar Graf von Anhalt
Probably the third one was engaged to the Este but the wedding never took
place......

Coming back to Luciano Chiappino's book, at page 78 there is a genealogical
table showing the issue of Obizzo III and Lippa Ariosti:
1) Beatrice (1332 - 1387) wife of Waldemar Graf von Anhalt
2) Alda (1333 - 1381) wife of Ludovico (or Luigi) Gonzaga
3) Aldobrandino III (1335 - 1361)
4) Elisa or Alisia (born 1337) wife of Guido da Polenta
5) Nicolò II (1338 - 1388) husband of Verde (or Viridis) della Scala
6) Azzo (1340 - 1349)
7) Folco (1342-1356)
8) Costanza (1343 - 1391) wife of Ungaro Malatesta
9) Ugo (1344 -1370) husband of Costanza Malatesta
10) Alberto (1347 -1393)

I hope it helps you

Bye

Cesare


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Hi,

I can't find ant good source to give me the parents of Aldobrandino D'ESTE
14/09/1335-03/11/1361 (x 18/11/1351 Beatrix DA CAMINO)

Are they Obizzo D'ESTE and Lippa ARIOSTO
or as i saw in some trees
Obizzo D'ESTE x Elisabeth of SAXE-WITTEMBERG

any informations would be welcome

thanks


JL

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