Hounding the BASKERVILLEs

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Louise Staley

Hounding the BASKERVILLEs

Legg inn av Louise Staley » 01 feb 2007 08:26:19

Humphrey Baskerville was an Alderman of the City of London from
1558-1564 (Beaven, v.1, 337), one of the Merchant Adventurers named in
Queen Mary's Charter of Incorporation of 1555 (CPR 1554-5, 55-9), and
Master of the Mercers' Company in 1560 (Beaven, v.2, 36).

I am trying to place Humphrey Baskerville, (? - 1564) in the Eardisley
Castle Baskerville family.

Humphrey married Jane, daughter of Humphrey Packington, and left six
daughters as his co-heirs:
Elizabeth Chr 16 May 1544
Angelica Chr 21 Sep 1549
Sarah Chr 5 Mar 1552
Anne Chr 28 Feb 1559
Mary Chr 2 Jul 1555
Martha Chr Nov 1561
(extracted IGI records, mainly christened at Saint Michael Bassishaw,
London).

Sarah married Thomas Owen of Condover, Judge of the Common Pleas
(?-1598) (DNB, Owen, Thomas p. 455)
Anne married Thomas Edwardes, Sheriff of Great Shrewsbury (1555-1634)
(Harl.Soc.Vis.Shropshire, Edwards p.173, as signed by their son Thomas).
The other daughters also married but I have no additional sources for them.

The Visitation of Shropshire 1623, in the Owen pedigree, says alderman
Humphrey was the son of Sir James Baskerville and Elizabeth Breynton.
However, other sources, notably Burkes, say Sir James and Elizabeth had
a son named Humphrey but he married Eleanor Gwillim and left issue. The
numerous online pedigrees all follow Burkes.

The main Eardisley Castle Baskerville seems to be;
1. Sir John = Elizabeth Tuchet
2. Sir James = Sybil Devereux
3. Sir Walter = Anna verch Morgan
4. Sir James = Elizabeth Breynton
5. Humphrey = Eleanor Gwillim

But Humphrey the alderman may have descended from one of the earlier
generations as it was not that uncommon for a younger son to be sent to
become a merchant.

Does anyone have any ideas about this?

Louise

Louise Staley

Re: Hounding the BASKERVILLEs

Legg inn av Louise Staley » 02 feb 2007 02:24:15

Further to my original query I have found a reference to this family on
Google books in a publication called "Notes and Queries" 1849, OUP,
pp.346-348. Google digitised their copy (which is only in snippet form)
from the University of Michigan Library.

Does anyone either have access to this or could give me a fuller
description of it, i.e. the editor and any sub-title?

From what I can make out from the snippets, Humphrey the alderman is
placed as the great-grandson of Sir James Baskerville and Sybil Devereux
but beyond that I have no further information as to the intervening
generations.

thanks
Louise


Louise Staley wrote:
Humphrey Baskerville was an Alderman of the City of London from
1558-1564 (Beaven, v.1, 337), one of the Merchant Adventurers named in
Queen Mary's Charter of Incorporation of 1555 (CPR 1554-5, 55-9), and
Master of the Mercers' Company in 1560 (Beaven, v.2, 36).

I am trying to place Humphrey Baskerville, (? - 1564) in the Eardisley
Castle Baskerville family.

Humphrey married Jane, daughter of Humphrey Packington, and left six
daughters as his co-heirs:
Elizabeth Chr 16 May 1544
Angelica Chr 21 Sep 1549
Sarah Chr 5 Mar 1552
Anne Chr 28 Feb 1559
Mary Chr 2 Jul 1555
Martha Chr Nov 1561
(extracted IGI records, mainly christened at Saint Michael Bassishaw,
London).

Sarah married Thomas Owen of Condover, Judge of the Common Pleas
(?-1598) (DNB, Owen, Thomas p. 455)
Anne married Thomas Edwardes, Sheriff of Great Shrewsbury (1555-1634)
(Harl.Soc.Vis.Shropshire, Edwards p.173, as signed by their son Thomas).
The other daughters also married but I have no additional sources for them.

The Visitation of Shropshire 1623, in the Owen pedigree, says alderman
Humphrey was the son of Sir James Baskerville and Elizabeth Breynton.
However, other sources, notably Burkes, say Sir James and Elizabeth had
a son named Humphrey but he married Eleanor Gwillim and left issue. The
numerous online pedigrees all follow Burkes.

The main Eardisley Castle Baskerville seems to be;
1. Sir John = Elizabeth Tuchet
2. Sir James = Sybil Devereux
3. Sir Walter = Anna verch Morgan
4. Sir James = Elizabeth Breynton
5. Humphrey = Eleanor Gwillim

But Humphrey the alderman may have descended from one of the earlier
generations as it was not that uncommon for a younger son to be sent to
become a merchant.

Does anyone have any ideas about this?

Louise

Louise Staley

Re: Hounding the BASKERVILLEs

Legg inn av Louise Staley » 13 feb 2007 09:24:26

Louise Staley wrote:
Further to my original query I have found a reference to this family on
Google books in a publication called "Notes and Queries" 1849, OUP,
pp.346-348. Google digitised their copy (which is only in snippet form)
from the University of Michigan Library.

Does anyone either have access to this or could give me a fuller
description of it, i.e. the editor and any sub-title?

From what I can make out from the snippets, Humphrey the alderman is
placed as the great-grandson of Sir James Baskerville and Sybil Devereux
but beyond that I have no further information as to the intervening
generations.

thanks
Louise

I have now looked at the article referred to above. Google books failed
to indicate that the correct year was 1937, not the 1849 they cite and
this is yet another example of their sloppiness.

Anyway, the article in question is:

Horton-Smith, L.G.H. (1937), "On the track of the Baskervilles" in
/Notes and Queries/, Volume 173, number 20, pp. 345-348.

For those with access to a university library the article can be
accessed electronically from Oxford Journals.

In relation to Humphrey the alderman Horton-Smith concludes Humphrey the
alderman who married Jane Pakington was the same Humphrey Baskerville
who married Eleanor Gwillim and was therefore the youngest son of Sir
James Baskerville of Eardisley Castle and Elizabeth Breynton.

Humphrey the alderman left a will, he only mentioned some of his
children by name but his sons Humphrey (aged 15) and Richard (aged 5)
are listed as executors, his supposed heir John Baskerville from the
supposed marriage to Eleanor Gwillim does not get a guernsey.

I believe Horton-Smith has conveniently done the old two wives trick and
merged two distinct Humphrey Baskervilles into one.

If we examine the various reasons John might be missing from Humphrey's
will it becomes apparent none of them are likely scenarios.
1. John Baskerville died s.p. before 1563. This is untrue. He apparently
married Sarah Lewis and left a son Thomas.
2. John was naturally provided for through primogeniture and therefore
didn't need to be mentioned. Humphrey the alderman was a merchant, and a
very rich one at that. The vast bulk of his estate was not real property
so John missed out badly if he was relying on getting the land.
3. Humphrey and John had fallen out and he was disinherited. Possible
but there are no records to suggest this and Humphrey was rich, it is
unlikely John would have let the will stand.

Furthermore, John Baskerville, son of Humphrey and Eleanor, was the
eventual heir of Eardisley Castle and the pedigrees go into great detail
about how the youngest son of Sir James Baskerville and Elizabeth
Breynton inherited. In Humphrey the alderman's will he mentions his
brothers Thomas, William and John and their multiple children who all
get bequests. Clearly from the will Humphrey as the youngest son would
not have inherited given all the nephews he mentions.

Lastly, in his will Humphrey does mention a Thomas Baskerville of
Netherwood who gets a gold ring. Thomas is referred to as a friend, not
cousin or relative. Thomas is from an offshoot of the Eardisley Castle
line, suggesting to me that Humphrey the alderman probably descended
from an earlier offshoot some generations before. Crucially it would
appear Humphrey the alderman is not a grandson of Sybil Devereux, wife
of Sir James Baskerville and therefore any alleged royal ancestry she is
credited with cannot apply to Humphrey the alderman.

Horton-Smith has drawn a blank in terms of a realistic ancestry for
Humphrey the alderman and I have now exhausted the Google Books,
Ancestry.com library and general web searches for information. If anyone
comes across further information about the Baskervilles (of any branch)
I would be very interested in receiving it either directly by email or
preferably by a post to SGM.

Louise

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