Wells Family DNA Project: Posted Results
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Douglas Richardson
Wells Family DNA Project: Posted Results
Dear Newsgroup ~
Those descended from any of the numerous Wells/Welles families in
America and the British Isles will doubtless be interested in the
posted results of the large Wells Family DNA Project at the following
weblink:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/dnapr ... proje.html
The results of the project are analyzed in what is termed "BaseLine DNA
Patterns" at the following weblink:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/dnapr ... eline.html
The DNA results of the two Wells families in my own ancestry can be
found in the posted BaseLine results. The first Wells immigrant in my
ancestry is Governor Thomas Welles, of Connecticut (Family W015 in the
project). The other Wells immigrant in my ancestry (in this case a
Wells widow) is Widow Frances (Albright) Wells, of Massachusetts
(Family W001 in the project). The Wells DNA Project reports that the
two families have similar DNA and both are R1B Haplotype.
It has been known for many years that Governor Thomas Welles hails from
Warwickshire in England, whereas my own research has proven that Thomas
Wells, the non-immigrating husband of Frances Albright, derives from
nearby Evesham, Worcestershire (see my article in the New England Hist.
Gen. Register, Vol. 146, published in 1992 for details). Normally a
match within 5 values of a baseline family or between baseline families
indicates there is a relationship between the two families or between
an individual and the family. In the case of these two families, their
respective DNA is off by a total of 8 values over 37 markers.
Perhaps someone familiar with modern DNA test results can comment on
the meaning of a difference of 8 values between two families of the
same surname, both of whom have origins in the same part of England.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Those descended from any of the numerous Wells/Welles families in
America and the British Isles will doubtless be interested in the
posted results of the large Wells Family DNA Project at the following
weblink:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/dnapr ... proje.html
The results of the project are analyzed in what is termed "BaseLine DNA
Patterns" at the following weblink:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/dnapr ... eline.html
The DNA results of the two Wells families in my own ancestry can be
found in the posted BaseLine results. The first Wells immigrant in my
ancestry is Governor Thomas Welles, of Connecticut (Family W015 in the
project). The other Wells immigrant in my ancestry (in this case a
Wells widow) is Widow Frances (Albright) Wells, of Massachusetts
(Family W001 in the project). The Wells DNA Project reports that the
two families have similar DNA and both are R1B Haplotype.
It has been known for many years that Governor Thomas Welles hails from
Warwickshire in England, whereas my own research has proven that Thomas
Wells, the non-immigrating husband of Frances Albright, derives from
nearby Evesham, Worcestershire (see my article in the New England Hist.
Gen. Register, Vol. 146, published in 1992 for details). Normally a
match within 5 values of a baseline family or between baseline families
indicates there is a relationship between the two families or between
an individual and the family. In the case of these two families, their
respective DNA is off by a total of 8 values over 37 markers.
Perhaps someone familiar with modern DNA test results can comment on
the meaning of a difference of 8 values between two families of the
same surname, both of whom have origins in the same part of England.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Wells Family DNA Project: Posted Results
Where does Orson Welles fit into this, Douglas?
DSH
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DSH
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Dear Newsgroup ~
Those descended from any of the numerous Wells/Welles families in
America and the British Isles will doubtless be interested in the
posted results of the large Wells Family DNA Project at the following
weblink:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/dnapr ... proje.html
The results of the project are analyzed in what is termed "BaseLine DNA
Patterns" at the following weblink:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/dnapr ... eline.html
The DNA results of the two Wells families in my own ancestry can be
found in the posted BaseLine results. The first Wells immigrant in my
ancestry is Governor Thomas Welles, of Connecticut (Family W015 in the
project). The other Wells immigrant in my ancestry (in this case a
Wells widow) is Widow Frances (Albright) Wells, of Massachusetts
(Family W001 in the project). The Wells DNA Project reports that the
two families have similar DNA and both are R1B Haplotype.
It has been known for many years that Governor Thomas Welles hails from
Warwickshire in England, whereas my own research has proven that Thomas
Wells, the non-immigrating husband of Frances Albright, derives from
nearby Evesham, Worcestershire (see my article in the New England Hist.
Gen. Register, Vol. 146, published in 1992 for details). Normally a
match within 5 values of a baseline family or between baseline families
indicates there is a relationship between the two families or between
an individual and the family. In the case of these two families, their
respective DNA is off by a total of 8 values over 37 markers.
Perhaps someone familiar with modern DNA test results can comment on
the meaning of a difference of 8 values between two families of the
same surname, both of whom have origins in the same part of England.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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Douglas Richardson
Re: Wells Family DNA Project: Posted Results
Dear Newsgroup ~
I inadvertedly forgot about a third Wells family in my ancestry, that
of the immigrant, Isabel (Wells) Tuttle, of Ringstead,
Northamptonshire. She immigrated to New England in 1635 on the ship,
the Planter, with her son, William Tuttle, afterwards of New Haven,
Connecticut.
http://members.aol.com/dcurtin1/gene/planter.htm
Among Isabel (Wells) Tuttle's descendants is the famous Rev. Jonathan
Edwards, the Puritan divine, who is generally believed to be the most
brilliant mind of the colonial period. My Richardson line descends
from Anne (Edwards) Richardson, the aunt of Rev. Jonathan Edwards.
Since there are no known male descendants of this particular Wells
family,. it would be difficult to determine this family's DNA. I note,
however, that one online genealogical database has placed Isabel's
father, John Wells, as a member of the same family as Governor Thomas
Welles, of Connecticut.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com ... tml#WELL45
As far as I know, this placement is utterly baseless and without
foundation. Also, the person has erroneously identified Isabel Wells'
mother as Jennet Lawtie, when her actually name was Helen.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
On Jan 25, 12:05 am, "Douglas Richardson" <royalances...@msn.com>
wrote:
I inadvertedly forgot about a third Wells family in my ancestry, that
of the immigrant, Isabel (Wells) Tuttle, of Ringstead,
Northamptonshire. She immigrated to New England in 1635 on the ship,
the Planter, with her son, William Tuttle, afterwards of New Haven,
Connecticut.
http://members.aol.com/dcurtin1/gene/planter.htm
Among Isabel (Wells) Tuttle's descendants is the famous Rev. Jonathan
Edwards, the Puritan divine, who is generally believed to be the most
brilliant mind of the colonial period. My Richardson line descends
from Anne (Edwards) Richardson, the aunt of Rev. Jonathan Edwards.
Since there are no known male descendants of this particular Wells
family,. it would be difficult to determine this family's DNA. I note,
however, that one online genealogical database has placed Isabel's
father, John Wells, as a member of the same family as Governor Thomas
Welles, of Connecticut.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com ... tml#WELL45
As far as I know, this placement is utterly baseless and without
foundation. Also, the person has erroneously identified Isabel Wells'
mother as Jennet Lawtie, when her actually name was Helen.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
On Jan 25, 12:05 am, "Douglas Richardson" <royalances...@msn.com>
wrote:
Dear Newsgroup ~
Those descended from any of the numerous Wells/Welles families in
America and the British Isles will doubtless be interested in the
posted results of the large Wells Family DNA Project at the following
weblink:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/dnapr ... proje.html
The results of the project are analyzed in what is termed "BaseLine DNA
Patterns" at the following weblink:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/dnapr ... eline.html
The DNA results of the two Wells families in my own ancestry can be
found in the posted BaseLine results. The first Wells immigrant in my
ancestry is Governor Thomas Welles, of Connecticut (Family W015 in the
project). The other Wells immigrant in my ancestry (in this case a
Wells widow) is Widow Frances (Albright) Wells, of Massachusetts
(Family W001 in the project). The Wells DNA Project reports that the
two families have similar DNA and both are R1B Haplotype.
It has been known for many years that Governor Thomas Welles hails from
Warwickshire in England, whereas my own research has proven that Thomas
Wells, the non-immigrating husband of Frances Albright, derives from
nearby Evesham, Worcestershire (see my article in the New England Hist.
Gen. Register, Vol. 146, published in 1992 for details). Normally a
match within 5 values of a baseline family or between baseline families
indicates there is a relationship between the two families or between
an individual and the family. In the case of these two families, their
respective DNA is off by a total of 8 values over 37 markers.
Perhaps someone familiar with modern DNA test results can comment on
the meaning of a difference of 8 values between two families of the
same surname, both of whom have origins in the same part of England.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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Douglas Richardson
Re: Wells Family DNA Project: Posted Results
Dear Spencer ~
Good to hear from you as always.
I'm not familiar with Orson Welles' extended ancestry. However, my
good friend, Gary Boyd Roberts, would certainly know it. I'll be sure
to ask him the next time we speak.
In the meantime, please blow some warm Hawaiian trade winds our way.
We've been below freezing here for the last thirteen days. We're all
ready for warmer temperatures. Where is global warming when you need
it?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
On Jan 25, 12:25 am, "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemid...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Good to hear from you as always.
I'm not familiar with Orson Welles' extended ancestry. However, my
good friend, Gary Boyd Roberts, would certainly know it. I'll be sure
to ask him the next time we speak.
In the meantime, please blow some warm Hawaiian trade winds our way.
We've been below freezing here for the last thirteen days. We're all
ready for warmer temperatures. Where is global warming when you need
it?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
On Jan 25, 12:25 am, "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemid...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Where does Orson Welles fit into this, Douglas?
DSH
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Wells Family DNA Project: Posted Results
The Reverend Jonathan Edwards (1703-1758) was a notable graduate of Yale
College, in 1720 as valedictorian, and a Yale residential college there is
named after him. He was also, briefly, President of what later became
Princeton University. But died of smallpox shortly after assuming his
duties.
DSH
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
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College, in 1720 as valedictorian, and a Yale residential college there is
named after him. He was also, briefly, President of what later became
Princeton University. But died of smallpox shortly after assuming his
duties.
DSH
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1169743398.080763.67840@13g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Dear Newsgroup ~
I inadvertedly forgot about a third Wells family in my ancestry, that
of the immigrant, Isabel (Wells) Tuttle, of Ringstead,
Northamptonshire. She immigrated to New England in 1635 on the ship,
the Planter, with her son, William Tuttle, afterwards of New Haven,
Connecticut.
http://members.aol.com/dcurtin1/gene/planter.htm
Among Isabel (Wells) Tuttle's descendants is the famous Rev. Jonathan
Edwards, the Puritan divine, who is generally believed to be the most
brilliant mind of the colonial period. My Richardson line descends
from Anne (Edwards) Richardson, the aunt of Rev. Jonathan Edwards.
Since there are no known male descendants of this particular Wells
family,. it would be difficult to determine this family's DNA. I note,
however, that one online genealogical database has placed Isabel's
father, John Wells, as a member of the same family as Governor Thomas
Welles, of Connecticut.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com ... tml#WELL45
As far as I know, this placement is utterly baseless and without
foundation. Also, the person has erroneously identified Isabel Wells'
mother as Jennet Lawtie, when her actually name was Helen.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
On Jan 25, 12:05 am, "Douglas Richardson" <royalances...@msn.com
wrote:
Dear Newsgroup ~
Those descended from any of the numerous Wells/Welles families in
America and the British Isles will doubtless be interested in the
posted results of the large Wells Family DNA Project at the following
weblink:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/dnapr ... proje.html
The results of the project are analyzed in what is termed "BaseLine DNA
Patterns" at the following weblink:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/dnapr ... eline.html
The DNA results of the two Wells families in my own ancestry can be
found in the posted BaseLine results. The first Wells immigrant in my
ancestry is Governor Thomas Welles, of Connecticut (Family W015 in the
project). The other Wells immigrant in my ancestry (in this case a
Wells widow) is Widow Frances (Albright) Wells, of Massachusetts
(Family W001 in the project). The Wells DNA Project reports that the
two families have similar DNA and both are R1B Haplotype.
It has been known for many years that Governor Thomas Welles hails from
Warwickshire in England, whereas my own research has proven that Thomas
Wells, the non-immigrating husband of Frances Albright, derives from
nearby Evesham, Worcestershire (see my article in the New England Hist.
Gen. Register, Vol. 146, published in 1992 for details). Normally a
match within 5 values of a baseline family or between baseline families
indicates there is a relationship between the two families or between
an individual and the family. In the case of these two families, their
respective DNA is off by a total of 8 values over 37 markers.
Perhaps someone familiar with modern DNA test results can comment on
the meaning of a difference of 8 values between two families of the
same surname, both of whom have origins in the same part of England.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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pj.evans
Re: Wells Family DNA Project: Posted Results
Widow Frances (Albright) Wells
Doug, how does this tie her to the Welles/Wells family, because as
written she's an Albright?
On Jan 24, 11:05 pm, "Douglas Richardson" <royalances...@msn.com>
wrote:
Doug, how does this tie her to the Welles/Wells family, because as
written she's an Albright?
On Jan 24, 11:05 pm, "Douglas Richardson" <royalances...@msn.com>
wrote:
Dear Newsgroup ~
Those descended from any of the numerous Wells/Welles families in
America and the British Isles will doubtless be interested in the
posted results of the large Wells Family DNA Project at the following
weblink:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/dnapr ... proje.html
The results of the project are analyzed in what is termed "BaseLine DNA
Patterns" at the following weblink:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/dnapr ... eline.html
The DNA results of the two Wells families in my own ancestry can be
found in the posted BaseLine results. The first Wells immigrant in my
ancestry is Governor Thomas Welles, of Connecticut (Family W015 in the
project). The other Wells immigrant in my ancestry (in this case a
Wells widow) is Widow Frances (Albright) Wells, of Massachusetts
(Family W001 in the project). The Wells DNA Project reports that the
two families have similar DNA and both are R1B Haplotype.
It has been known for many years that Governor Thomas Welles hails from
Warwickshire in England, whereas my own research has proven that Thomas
Wells, the non-immigrating husband of Frances Albright, derives from
nearby Evesham, Worcestershire (see my article in the New England Hist.
Gen. Register, Vol. 146, published in 1992 for details). Normally a
match within 5 values of a baseline family or between baseline families
indicates there is a relationship between the two families or between
an individual and the family. In the case of these two families, their
respective DNA is off by a total of 8 values over 37 markers.
Perhaps someone familiar with modern DNA test results can comment on
the meaning of a difference of 8 values between two families of the
same surname, both of whom have origins in the same part of England.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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Doug McDonald
Re: Wells Family DNA Project: Posted Results
Douglas Richardson wrote:
Just from the DNA, there is a statistical probability of
being related, with the common ancestor a certain time ago.
For this case, assuming a generation length of 31 years,
there is a 50% chance that the common ancestor of the two lines
lived less than 1100 years ago. There is a 10% chance that
the common ancestor lived less than 680 years ago. There is a 20% chance
that he lived less than 800 years ago. There is only a two percent
chance he lived less than 460 years ago.
But in this case we have the additional knowledge that
the two living testees come from lines that diverged hundreds of
years ago. That information can be combined mathematically
with the DNA data, and will always make the most likely time
for the common ancestor farther in the past than if we had DNA
data alone. However, in this case the effect is very small.
The nest result is that the DNA data is quite convincing that,
at the time of Governor Welles, the two families were even at
that time distant cousins.
Doug McDonald
It has been known for many years that Governor Thomas Welles hails from
Warwickshire in England, whereas my own research has proven that Thomas
Wells, the non-immigrating husband of Frances Albright, derives from
nearby Evesham, Worcestershire (see my article in the New England Hist.
Gen. Register, Vol. 146, published in 1992 for details). Normally a
match within 5 values of a baseline family or between baseline families
indicates there is a relationship between the two families or between
an individual and the family. In the case of these two families, their
respective DNA is off by a total of 8 values over 37 markers.
Perhaps someone familiar with modern DNA test results can comment on
the meaning of a difference of 8 values between two families of the
same surname, both of whom have origins in the same part of England.
Just from the DNA, there is a statistical probability of
being related, with the common ancestor a certain time ago.
For this case, assuming a generation length of 31 years,
there is a 50% chance that the common ancestor of the two lines
lived less than 1100 years ago. There is a 10% chance that
the common ancestor lived less than 680 years ago. There is a 20% chance
that he lived less than 800 years ago. There is only a two percent
chance he lived less than 460 years ago.
But in this case we have the additional knowledge that
the two living testees come from lines that diverged hundreds of
years ago. That information can be combined mathematically
with the DNA data, and will always make the most likely time
for the common ancestor farther in the past than if we had DNA
data alone. However, in this case the effect is very small.
The nest result is that the DNA data is quite convincing that,
at the time of Governor Welles, the two families were even at
that time distant cousins.
Doug McDonald
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joseph cook
Re: Wells Family DNA Project: Posted Results
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/ODTs/WELLS.shtml#WELL45
As far as I know, this placement is utterly baseless and without
foundation. Also, the person has erroneously identified Isabel Wells'
mother as Jennet Lawtie, when her actually name was Helen.
Douglas,
Where can I find a source for this information. As far as I was
aware, the ancestry of my ancestor Isabel Wells was unknown except her
father's name being 'John'. (This coming from the will of Simon Tuttle
who mentioned his name)
Thanks,
Joe C
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Douglas Richardson
Re: Wells Family DNA Project: Posted Results
Dear Doug ~
Thank you for your helpful answer. Much appreciated.
I'm puzzled about one thing, though. A friend of mine has told me
that he deviates 5 markers from his cousin with whom he shares a
common 3rd great-grandfather. He had the tests done twice to confirm
the results.
If there is 5 markers difference in only six generations, why do you
say eight markers would indicate a common ancestor 1100 years ago?
Couldn't it be much shorter time span than this such as 500 years?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Thank you for your helpful answer. Much appreciated.
I'm puzzled about one thing, though. A friend of mine has told me
that he deviates 5 markers from his cousin with whom he shares a
common 3rd great-grandfather. He had the tests done twice to confirm
the results.
If there is 5 markers difference in only six generations, why do you
say eight markers would indicate a common ancestor 1100 years ago?
Couldn't it be much shorter time span than this such as 500 years?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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Doug McDonald
Re: Wells Family DNA Project: Posted Results
Douglas Richardson wrote:
Because its all probabilities. Since mutations are
normally random (in Y chromosome testing, not ALL
are random, however, as some are connected by what are called
recLOH events) one gets a wide spread of the number of mutations
for different instances of pairs of two men whose latest
common ancestor is the same distance back. A difference of
8 just has the PROBABILITY I stated for a certain time back.
Some special cases may in fact be much more recent or much older.
Doug McDonald
Dear Doug ~
Thank you for your helpful answer. Much appreciated.
I'm puzzled about one thing, though. A friend of mine has told me
that he deviates 5 markers from his cousin with whom he shares a
common 3rd great-grandfather. He had the tests done twice to confirm
the results.
If there is 5 markers difference in only six generations, why do you
say eight markers would indicate a common ancestor 1100 years ago?
Couldn't it be much shorter time span than this such as 500 years?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Because its all probabilities. Since mutations are
normally random (in Y chromosome testing, not ALL
are random, however, as some are connected by what are called
recLOH events) one gets a wide spread of the number of mutations
for different instances of pairs of two men whose latest
common ancestor is the same distance back. A difference of
8 just has the PROBABILITY I stated for a certain time back.
Some special cases may in fact be much more recent or much older.
Doug McDonald