well-intentioned but not very significant product. It's like using a
sledgehammer to swat a fly....
And of course we see the usual hobbyhorses getting trotted out for yet
another run: Fitzalan/Arundel, Edmund Crouchback, and various personal
preferences on naming. Yawn....haven't we heard these all before?
A new low in the "collegial" contributions of the Richardson genealogy
engine.....it says more about the author of the critique than the author of
the website being criticized.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:36 PM
Subject: Pretty to look at but short on accuracy
Dear Will ~
I just looked at the Norman and Plantagenet chart at the website you
recommended.
As stated by someone else, the material is well presented. The charts
are easy to follow and not cluttered. That's the good part.
However, I note some problems, mostly technical. The person frequently
uses Latin forms of names such as Adeliza, Adela, Cecilia, Matilda,
Theobald, Isabella (repeatedly), Philippa, Berengaria, etc., when
Alice, Cecily, Adele, Maud, Thebaud (or Thibaut), Isabel, Philippe, and
Berenguela (or Bérengère) should be used instead. There is even a
Jeanne which person was actually named Joan, and an Alfonso who was
actually Alphonse. There is a Maud/Matilda, a strange hybred if there
ever was one. The unfamiliarity with the correct name forms tells me
the person who created the chart is a copyist, and has not spent much
time in the original primary records.
The person states that Edward, 2nd Duke of York, married (1st)
"?Beatrice, daughter of Ferdinand I, King of Portugal." Edward was
betrothed to marry at Lisbon, Portugal shortly after July 1381 Beatris
of Portugal, the daughter and heiress of Fernando I, King of Portugal
and the Algarve, but the contract for marriage was dissolved in
accordance with the terms of the Treaty of Badajoz between Castile and
Portugal in August 1382.
The person refers to Richard Fitzalan, Earl of Arundel, when this man's
name was actually Richard de Arundel, never Fitzalan. This family
dropped the name, Fitzalan, in favor of Arundel two generations
previous to the earl's birth. For instances of Earl Richard using the
Arundel surname, see Lewis, Pedes Finium; or, Fines relating to the
County of Surrey (Surrey Arch. Soc. Extra Volume 1) (1894): 222;
Arch.Cambrensis, 6th Ser. 7(1) (1907): 1-34; C.P.R. 1374-1377
(1916): 25, 28, 51, 107, 243; Salzman, Feet of Fines Rel. Sussex 3
(Sussex Rec. Soc. 23) (1916): 164; Calendar of Fine Rolls, 1368-1377
(1924): 286, 339; Genealogist n.s. 16 (1899): 162.
The person refers to Edmund Crouchback, when no such person ever
existed. His name was Edmund, no Crouchback. The Crouchback part is
an old myth.
The person has Edmund Mortimer, who should be rendered Edmund de
Mortimer. And, Matthew of Flanders should probably be rendered
Mathieu, not Matthew.
The person refers to Henry Bouchier, when his name was actually Henry
Bourgchier (or Bourchier). And, John Hastings, son-in-law of King
Edward III, was actually John de Hastings.
The person states that Eleanor, wife of King Henry III of England, was
the daughter of Raymond IV, Ct.Toulouse. Actually Eleanor was
daughter and co-heiress of Raymond Bérenger V, Count and Marquis of
Provence, Count of Forcalquier.
The person states that Richard, Earl of Cornwall, married (3rd)
"Beatrice, da. ?? William de Fauquemont." Actually his third wife was
Beatrice de Falkenburg (or Fauquemont), daughter of Dietrich II de
Falkenburg, seigneur of Montjoye.
And on and on.
.. .
In short, I've found mostly small inacccuracies but, in the end, they
total up. Overall I would give the chart a B+ for presentation, and a
C- for overall accuracy. It's pretty to look at but short on
accuracy.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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