WEre the names Edmund and Edward confused?

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Dora Smith

WEre the names Edmund and Edward confused?

Legg inn av Dora Smith » 23 des 2006 22:59:58

Edmund Rice's birth record has never been found. He had a son, Edward,
whose baptism at Stanstead, Suffolk, England, in 1622, was apparently
recorded as Edmund. Edmund Rice married Thomazine, and the confusion
about whether she was the daughter of Edmund or Edward Frost is massive.

Edward and Edmund are both names of popular Saxon kings, and both names
remained popular after the Norman conquest. One means rich guard, and the
other means rich keeper.

It seems like I've seen the two names confused in other contexts.

Were Edward and Edmund virtually interchangeable around 1600?

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Dora Smith
Austin, TX
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Douglas Richardson

Re: WEre the names Edmund and Edward confused?

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 24 des 2006 02:45:57

Dora Smith wrote:

< Were Edward and Edmund virtually interchangeable around 1600?

Dear Dora ~

In answer to your question, I've seen two instances of men in the
1600's who occur in records as "Edmund alias Edward." My impression is
that people were not as familiar with the given name Edmund, so used
the form Edward instead. The "alias" merely reflected that practice.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Fred

Re: WEre the names Edmund and Edward confused?

Legg inn av Fred » 24 des 2006 20:23:29

I have come across a number of instances of this, some in the
seventeenth century but one as recent as the late nineteenth century.
It surprises me, as other names that share syllables rarely seem to
suffer in the same way (e.g. John/Jonathan). I suspect unfamiliarity
with the name Edmund may play a part as the instances I can recall
involve children baptised Edmund who appear later in life as Edward,
sometimes even giving their own names as Edward.

It is a tricky problem to sort out, in one instance where this seemed
to have happened I eventually concluded there were probably brothers
called Edward and Edmund.

Fred.


Dora Smith wrote:
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Edward and Edmund are both names of popular Saxon kings, and both names
remained popular after the Norman conquest. One means rich guard, and the
other means rich keeper.
It seems like I've seen the two names confused in other contexts.
Were Edward and Edmund virtually interchangeable around 1600?
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24@yahoo.com

Gjest

Re: WEre the names Edmund and Edward confused?

Legg inn av Gjest » 25 des 2006 10:52:17

Dora Smith wrote:

Edward and Edmund are both names of popular Saxon kings, and both names
remained popular after the Norman conquest.

They were the names of sainted kings.

One means rich guard, and the
other means rich keeper.

Like most Anglo-Saxon names, they are composed of two elements, and
although the each element has (or had) a meaning, the name as whole is
often meaningless. Stenton explained: "To speak of the significance
of Old English personal names is, however, to beg an important
question. Most compound names can be translated, but the translation
often makes nonsense. The men who coined the names Frithwulf,
'peace-wolf', and Wigfrith, 'war-peace', were not concerned
about meaning. ...The name Wulfstan, 'wolf stone', makes sense,
though not much sense, but it was obviously a matter of accident
whether a name framed like this happened to be intelligible, or an
absurdity like Frithwulf of Wigfrith. In any case the meaning of the
name did not matter to those who gave it."

Steve Barnhoorn

Re: WEre the names Edmund and Edward confused?

Legg inn av Steve Barnhoorn » 26 des 2006 01:35:45

EDWARDUS. RYCE - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 30 JAN 1584 Saint Ewe, Cornwall, England
Father: THOME RYCE

Parish registers for St. Ewe, 1559-1993 Church of England. Parish
Church of St. Ewe (Cornwall) FHL BRITISH Film [ 1595533 Items 3-15 ]

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