More Kinsfolk: Baldekin, kinsman of Henry Fitz Count

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More Kinsfolk: Baldekin, kinsman of Henry Fitz Count

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 23 des 2006 16:21:29

Dear Newsgroup ~

As kindly indicated by David Hepworth this past week, the new Henry III
Fine Rolls Project is now online and searchable. It contains some very
helpful information, including references to near kinsfolk of various
people.

One such example is a reference to a certain Baldekin, who was styled
"kinsman" of Henry Fitz Count, the illegitimate son of Reynold,
Earl of Cornwall by his mistress, Beatrice de Valle (or Vaux).
According to a fine roll item dated 1220, Baldekin was granted lands by
Henry Fitz Count which were formerly held by Robert de Tintagel in
Cornwall.

Date: 24 November 1220.

"Cornwall. To the sheriff of Cornwall. The king understands for
certain, by an inquisition which he caused to be taken by his order and
which the sheriff returned to him, concerning the lands and escheats
that H. fitz Count gave to his knights and servants for as long as the
county of Cornwall was in his hand, that all of those lands that H.
gave at that time are of the king's demesne. Order to take into the
king's hand all of those lands, saving to Baldekin, kinsman of the
same Henry, the custody of the lands formerly of Robert of Tintagel
that Henry gave to him, and to demise the same custody to Baldekin in
peace. Witness as above. By the same. Before the bishop of Winchester."
[Reference: http://www.finerollshenry3.org.uk/conte ... l_015.html].

While Baldekin is not identified by a surname, if he held these lands
for any length of time, it should be possible to identify him. If
Baldekin is one of Henry Fitz Count's mother's relatives, knowing his
identity may prove helpful in proving Beatrice de Valle's parentage
once and for all.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Gjest

Re: More Kinsfolk: Baldekin, kinsman of Henry Fitz Count

Legg inn av Gjest » 25 des 2006 13:20:53

Douglas Richardson wrote:
Dear Newsgroup ~

As kindly indicated by David Hepworth this past week, the new Henry III
Fine Rolls Project is now online and searchable. It contains some very
helpful information, including references to near kinsfolk of various
people.

One such example is a reference to a certain Baldekin, who was styled
"kinsman" of Henry Fitz Count

Could this be a misreading for "Baldwin"? Henry had nephews of this
name, of the Redvers family (for instance).

MA-R

Douglas Richardson

Re: More Kinsfolk: Baldekin, kinsman of Henry Fitz Count

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 25 des 2006 15:05:26

Dear Michael ~

Yes, I suppose that Baldekin could be a variant form of Baldwin. But,
if so, I don't recall previously encountering this variant form.

Henry Fitz Count had a half-sister, Denise of Cornwall, who married
Richard de Redvers, Earl of Devon. Denise of Cornwall in turn had a
son, Baldwin de Redvers, Earl of Devon, but he died without issue in
1188 [see http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/briti ... dvers1.htm].
As such, Baldwin de Redvers could not be Henry Fitz Count's kinsman
named "Baldekin."

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
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Gjest

Re: More Kinsfolk: Baldekin, kinsman of Henry Fitz Count

Legg inn av Gjest » 25 des 2006 22:06:31

Douglas Richardson wrote:
Dear Michael ~

Yes, I suppose that Baldekin could be a variant form of Baldwin. But,
if so, I don't recall previously encountering this variant form.

I wasn't suggesting a variant form, so much as a misreading, but having
viewed the original online, it does seem to read "Baldekino".

Henry Fitz Count had a half-sister, Denise of Cornwall, who married
Richard de Redvers, Earl of Devon. Denise of Cornwall in turn had a
son, Baldwin de Redvers, Earl of Devon, but he died without issue in
1188 [see http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/briti ... dvers1.htm].
As such, Baldwin de Redvers could not be Henry Fitz Count's kinsman
named "Baldekin."

According to the same Stirnet source (usual caveats &c), Henry Fitz
Count had another half-sister, Maud, married to Robert, Count of
Meulan, who had a daughter Mabel, wife of William de Redvers Earl of
Devon, [brother and eventual succesor of Richard, supra]. Their
grandson, Baldwin de Redvers, was a child at the time of Henry's death.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:

One such example is a reference to a certain Baldekin, who was
styled
"kinsman" of Henry Fitz Count

Could this be a misreading for "Baldwin"? Henry had nephews of this
name, of the Redvers family (for instance).

MA-R

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