Hohenstaufen Origins

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Hohenstaufen Origins

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 09 des 2006 04:25:58

In ES (Freytag von Loringhoven) Volume 1 Tafel 5 (published 1975)
We find Friedrich von Bueren died before 1094, married Hildegard von Schwaben, daughter of Otto, Duke of Schwaben. They married around/before 1050 as they had (six) children in the 1050s

In the same volume Tafel 8
we find Otto (died in 1057), Markgraf von Schweinfurt, Duke of Schwaben, with five daughters : Eilika, Judith, Beatrix, Gisela and Bertha (Alberada).-----no Hildegard
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In ES (Schwennicke) Volume 6 Tafel 1

Otto Pfalzgraf von Lothringen, Duke of Schwaben, had only one daughter Richenza
(this is a different Otto)

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ES (Schwennicke) Volume 1.1 Tafel 14 (published 1997)
Here we find Friedrich von Bueren died (1068) no wife, but the same six children as are mentioned by Freytag von Loringhoven
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On http://www.genealogie-mittelalter.de we find that Friedrich von Bueren is married to Hildegard, and there she is mentioned as Hildegard von Bar-Mousson and as a daughter of Ludwig Graf von Mousson and Sophie of Lorraine. Her father's mother is a sister of Pope Leo IX.
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ES Freytag von Loringhoven makes Friedrich's wife Hildegard a daughter of Otto Duke of Schwaben
ES Schwennicke has no details for Friedrich's wife
Genealogie mittelalter makes her Hildegard von Bar-Mousson

Would anyone be able to say what the real situation is?

With many thanks.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

Peter Stewart

Re: Hohenstaufen Origins

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 09 des 2006 08:55:02

"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.160.1165634778.6313.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
In ES (Freytag von Loringhoven) Volume 1 Tafel 5
(published 1975)
We find Friedrich von Bueren died before 1094, married
Hildegard von Schwaben, daughter of Otto, Duke of
Schwaben. They married around/before 1050 as they had
(six) children in the 1050s

In the same volume Tafel 8
we find Otto (died in 1057), Markgraf von Schweinfurt,
Duke of Schwaben, with five daughters : Eilika, Judith,
Beatrix, Gisela and Bertha (Alberada).-----no Hildegard
-------------------
In ES (Schwennicke) Volume 6 Tafel 1

Otto Pfalzgraf von Lothringen, Duke of Schwaben, had
only one daughter Richenza (this is a different Otto)

--------------------
ES (Schwennicke) Volume 1.1 Tafel 14 (published 1997)
Here we find Friedrich von Bueren died (1068) no wife, but
the same six children as are mentioned by Freytag von
Loringhoven
-------------------------

On http://www.genealogie-mittelalter.de we find that Friedrich
von Bueren is married to Hildegard, and there she is mentioned
as Hildegard von Bar-Mousson and as a daughter of Ludwig Graf
von Mousson and Sophie of Lorraine. Her father's mother is a
sister of Pope Leo IX.
-------------------------

ES Freytag von Loringhoven makes Friedrich's wife Hildegard a
daughter of Otto Duke of Schwaben
ES Schwennicke has no details for Friedrich's wife
Genealogie mittelalter makes her Hildegard von Bar-Mousson

Would anyone be able to say what the real situation is?

Yes, no-one knows for certain.

The ES table of 1975 apparently relied on Emil Kimpen's Ezzonen und
Hezeliniden in der rheinischen Pfalzgrafschaft, _Mitteilungen des
Österreichischen Instituts für Geschichtsforschung_, Ergänzungsband 12
(1933), making Hildegard a daughter of Otto II, duke of Swabia.

Other conjectures make her a daughter of Hugo V of Egisheim, count of
Dagsburg or of Richwin, count of Mömpelgard (Montbéliard) whose wife may
have been Hildegard of Egisheim.

The genealogie-mittelalter website followed Hansmartin Decker-Hauff in
making Hildegard a daughter of Louis II, count in the Sundgau, of Mousson &
Ferrette by Sophie of Lorraine, countess of Bar. There is no direct evidence
for this either, as far as I know.

ES (1997) took a sensible course in leaving the family background of
Friedrich's wife blank. However, from memory her name was recorded as
Hildegard.

Peter Stewart

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