Guzman family

Moderator: MOD_nyhetsgrupper

Svar
Cesare Patrignani

Guzman family

Legg inn av Cesare Patrignani » 02 des 2006 22:15:21

Hello all !
I would like to know if the spanish dukes of Medina Sidonia (of the Guzman
family) and the dukes of Medina de la Torres and marqueses of Toral
(Ramirez Guzman) are two branches of the same family Guzman; if they are,
what is the relationship between them?

Thank you very much

Cesare Patrignani

Turenne

Re: Guzman family

Legg inn av Turenne » 03 des 2006 17:18:07

Cesare Patrignani wrote:
Hello all !
I would like to know if the spanish dukes of Medina Sidonia (of the Guzman
family) and the dukes of Medina de la Torres and marqueses of Toral
(Ramirez Guzman) are two branches of the same family Guzman; if they are,
what is the relationship between them?

Thank you very much

Cesare Patrignani

This site may help you. Otherwise ask again on alt.royalty or
rec.heraldry.

http://grandesp.org.uk/historia/gzas/medinasidonia.htm

Richard Lichten

Henry Soszynski

Re: Guzman family

Legg inn av Henry Soszynski » 03 des 2006 23:51:23

On Sat, 2 Dec 2006 22:15:21 +0100, "Cesare Patrignani"
<cepatri@tin.it> wrote:

Hello all !
I would like to know if the spanish dukes of Medina Sidonia (of the Guzman
family) and the dukes of Medina de la Torres and marqueses of Toral
(Ramirez Guzman) are two branches of the same family Guzman; if they are,
what is the relationship between them?

Thank you very much

Cesare Patrignani

My data is incomplete, and most likely wrong in the early generations.

The earliest agnatic ancestor for the Medina Sidonia line is Pedro
Rodriguez de GUZMÁN +1195 married to Urraca Diaz Cameros. For the
Toral line I have Rui Nunez de GUZMÁN, one of whose sons is a Pedro
Ruiz de GUZMÁN married to a Mafalda, he too +1195. Is it a coincidence
or are they the same person, married to different wives?
Cheers,
Henry
INDIA_ROYALTY mailing list
http://www.uq.net.au/~zzhsoszy/ips/mailing_list.html

taf

Re: Guzman family

Legg inn av taf » 04 des 2006 07:51:29

Henry Soszynski wrote:

My data is incomplete, and most likely wrong in the early generations.
The earliest agnatic ancestor for the Medina Sidonia line is Pedro
Rodriguez de GUZMÁN +1195 married to Urraca Diaz Cameros. For the
Toral line I have Rui Nunez de GUZMÁN, one of whose sons is a Pedro
Ruiz de GUZMÁN married to a Mafalda, he too +1195. Is it a coincidence
or are they the same person, married to different wives?

These would be the same person. As to their wives, one or the other (or
both) is probably a late invention.

taf

Matthew Hovius

Re: Guzman family

Legg inn av Matthew Hovius » 04 des 2006 19:51:48

The brothers García Carraffa give an exhaustive history of Spain's
many noble Guzmán families under the appropriate heading in their
landmark encyclopedia of Spanish lineages. According to them, the
houses of Medina Sidonia and Medina de las Torres are indeed branches
of the same family, the first duke of Medina Sidonia being a male-line
descendant of Pedro Ruiz de Guzmán (+ 1195) and his second wife,
Urraca Díaz; while the second and subsequent dukes of Medina de las
Torres descended from the same Pedro Ruiz de Guzmán and his first
wife, Mafalda, the daughter of Count Gómez González, feudal lord of
Manzanedo, and his wife Mayor Manrique.


Cesare Patrignani wrote:
Hello all !
I would like to know if the spanish dukes of Medina Sidonia (of the Guzman
family) and the dukes of Medina de la Torres and marqueses of Toral
(Ramirez Guzman) are two branches of the same family Guzman; if they are,
what is the relationship between them?

Thank you very much

Cesare Patrignani

Svar

Gå tilbake til «soc.genealogy.medieval»