Mr. Jefferd of Ling's horse at New Haven

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John Brandon

Mr. Jefferd of Ling's horse at New Haven

Legg inn av John Brandon » 22 nov 2006 17:30:55

Hoadly's _Records of the Colony or Jurisdiction of New Haven_, p. 497:

AT A COURT OF MAGISTRATES HELD AT NEWHAUEN, OCTOB: 21th, 1663.

Prsent the Governor, Deputy Governor, Mr. Jones, Mr. Fenn, Mr. Treat &
Mr. Crane.

An attachment haueing been graunted to George Adams, of Branford, vpon
some estate of Mr. Jefferd, of Ling [sic], which was found in this
jurisdiccon, George Adams aforesd now apeareing was asked what he had
done in giueing notice to Mr. Jefferd aforesd for his attendance? He
answrd he had sent to him but it was soe lately that it was not likely
he could attend this cort, therefore he desired the busines might be
respited to ye next cort of magistrates till ye man may haue sufficient
notice & he gaine further euidence for himselfe in the case, but he
desired yt he might haue ye horse into his custody which was attached &
he would give in security for him, because the horse lay now vpon
charge.
The Court considering of the case did conclude that George Adams
giueing in security a bond of twenty pound to saue the court harmeles &
to answer the case at ye court of magistrates in May next, & wteuer
damages may ensue herevpon, vpon this the horse was to bedelivered to
him, that soe further charges be not expended on him.

http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC0 ... #PPA497,M1

p. 542:

AT A COURT OF MAGISTRATES HELD AT NEWHAVEN THE 23th OF MAY, 1664.

Prsent, the Governor, Deputy Governor, Mr. Jones, Mr. Fen, Mr. Treat &
Mr. Crane.

George Adams, of Branford, appeared to make psecution of his attachmt
yt he had layd upon a horse of Mr. John Jefferds, of Ling [sic], in ye
Massachusetts. But after a great & large debate about it, whether ye
sd Jefferd had any legall notice for his appearance, the case was left
upon the former order in October last by ye court of magistrates.

http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC0 ... #PPA542,M1

Immediately following the first "Jefferd" reference above is another
case, in which James Bishop, attorney for Mrs. Lucie Farneden
(presumably in England) made a claim on the estate of Mrs. Elizabeth
Godman (of New Haven), as Godman's "onely naturall sister."

This may be a clue to the maiden name of Mrs. Elizabeth Godman, as I
find the following record in the extracted IGI:

Lamberhurst, Kent

Petrus Farnden to Lucia Averie, 14 March 1631

Interestingly, the Peter Farnden family had ties to both the Busbridges
and Temples of Frankton (see the A2A collection, "East Sussex Record
Office: Archive of the Roberts family of Boarzell in Ticehurst and the
Dunn family of Stonehouse").

John Brandon

Re: Mr. Jefferd of Ling's horse at New Haven

Legg inn av John Brandon » 22 nov 2006 18:10:15

and Temples of Frankton (see the A2A collection, "East Sussex Record
Office: Archive of the Roberts family of Boarzell in Ticehurst and the
Dunn family of Stonehouse").

An item in this collection shows Lucy Avery was a widow at the time of
her marriage to Farnden ...

Title deeds: Farnden family

Deeds of the Manor of Crowham, Crowham forge, Conster forge and
furnace in Brede

FILE - Counterpart settlement (covenant to stand seised) - ref.
DUN 27/1 - date: 13 Feb 1632
hit[from Scope and Content] Peter Farnden of Sedlescombe,
gent, and John Porter of Lamberhurst in Kent, esq PF to marry Lucy
Averie of Lamberhurst, widow

Percy S. Godman, _Some Account of the Family of Godman_, p. 42, shows
two sisters:

--Elizabeth Godman, bapt. 13 Jan. 1600, mentioned as unmarried in the
1635 will of her brother, John Godman.
--Lucy Godman, bapt. 21 Sept. 1602, mentioned as Lucy Farnden in the
1635 will of her brother, John Godman.

http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/docum ... 5066&REC=3

This genealogy is extremely hard to follow, but I believe these sisters
were daughter of Thomas and Mary (Porter) Godman, and grandchildren of
Richard and Jane (Whitfield) Porter. If so, this would make accused
witch Mrs. Elizabeth Godman a fifth "Whitfield" immigrant, along with
Rev. Henry Whitfield, Edward Bromfield, Edmund Hawes, and Gov. Shirley
(in the next century).

http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0 ... CvavnS_MVY


Nathaniel Taylor

Re: 'Mrs.' Elizabeth Godman (was Giffard's horse)

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 22 nov 2006 18:32:11

In article <1164215415.287413.317630@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"John Brandon" <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:

This genealogy is extremely hard to follow, but I believe these sisters
were daughter of Thomas and Mary (Porter) Godman, and grandchildren of
Richard and Jane (Whitfield) Porter.

More early colonial armigers for the 'Roll of Arms'--if their brother
Edward was confirmed in his use of arms in 1635. Excellent.

Interesting, what Elizabeth is alleged to have done.

Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net

John Brandon

Re: 'Mrs.' Elizabeth Godman (was Giffard's horse)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 22 nov 2006 18:43:30

Interesting, what Elizabeth is alleged to have done.

Yes. This may be where all the mental illness in my family comes from
....

Looking at p. 43 of Percy Godman's book, it seems the claim that Lucy
Farnden was Elizabeth Godman's "only natural sister" was a slight fib.
Although maybe she was the only sister still living ...

John Brandon

Re: 'Mrs.' Elizabeth Godman (was Giffard's horse)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 22 nov 2006 20:01:47

As James Bishop, Lucy Farnden's attorney, was the husband of one of
Mrs. Godman's supposed 'victims,' and the record of his request
concerning Elizabeth Godman's estate is unfinished in the record book,
perhaps there was something amiss with his statement that he was Lucy
Farnden's attorney ...

http://books.google.com/books?vid=0C9JC ... %22+godman


John Brandon

Re: 'Mrs.' Elizabeth Godman (was Giffard's horse)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 22 nov 2006 20:58:54

"The minister also revealed how Mrs. Godman confessed 'troubled' and
disappointed feelings when New Haven's Mr. Bishop married another
woman. Mrs. Godman admitted 'some affection' for Mr. Bishop; was it
only a coincidence that the new Mrs. Bishop suffered 'verey strang
fitts' after the wedding, and later that all of her babies died?"

http://www.newenglandancestors.org/publ ... _Tales.asp

John Brandon

Re: 'Mrs.' Elizabeth Godman (was Giffard's horse)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 27 nov 2006 20:41:15

Marriage agreement of Mrs. Godman's parents (from A2A) ...

Deeds relating to Ote Hall Farm in Wivelsfield, Hurstpierpoint,
Cuckfield, Barcombe, Lindfield, Ditchling, Keymer and Plumpton
Catalogue Ref. Otehall

Creator(s):
Irvine, Godman, of Wivelsfield

Otehall (Great Ote Hall) in Wivelsfield and lands in adjoining
parishes

FILE - Marriage Settlement - ref. AMS4135 - date: January 1594
hit[from Scope and Content] (a) Thomas Godman of Barcombe,
yeoman (b) Thomas Godman son and heir apparent of (a), (c) Mary Porter
dau of Richard Porter late of Beigham (?Bayham, Kent) dec'd
hit[from Scope and Content] Recites agreement of 4 January
1594 between (a), John Porter and Thomas Aynscombe gent

Nathaniel Taylor

Re: 'Mrs.' Elizabeth Godman (was Giffard's horse)

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 27 nov 2006 21:18:35

In article <1164656475.771626.281440@l39g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"John Brandon" <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:

Marriage agreement of Mrs. Godman's parents (from A2A) ...

Deeds relating to Ote Hall Farm in Wivelsfield, Hurstpierpoint,
Cuckfield, Barcombe, Lindfield, Ditchling, Keymer and Plumpton
Catalogue Ref. Otehall

Creator(s):
Irvine, Godman, of Wivelsfield

Otehall (Great Ote Hall) in Wivelsfield and lands in adjoining
parishes

FILE - Marriage Settlement - ref. AMS4135 - date: January 1594
hit[from Scope and Content] (a) Thomas Godman of Barcombe,
yeoman (b) Thomas Godman son and heir apparent of (a), (c) Mary Porter
dau of Richard Porter late of Beigham (?Bayham, Kent) dec'd

Interesting that the 1634 armigerous 'gent' (her brother) had a yeoman
for a father.

Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net

John Brandon

Re: 'Mrs.' Elizabeth Godman (was Giffard's horse)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 27 nov 2006 21:27:38

Interesting that the 1634 armigerous 'gent' (her brother) had a yeoman
for a father.

A somewhat well-off yeoman, I guess ...

Nathaniel Taylor

Re: 'Mrs.' Elizabeth Godman (was Giffard's horse)

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 27 nov 2006 21:42:17

In article
<nathanieltaylor-22442A.15184527112006@news.west.earthlink.net>,
Nathaniel Taylor <nathanieltaylor@earthlink.net> wrote:

In article <1164656475.771626.281440@l39g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"John Brandon" <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:

Marriage agreement of Mrs. Godman's parents (from A2A) ...

Deeds relating to Ote Hall Farm in Wivelsfield, Hurstpierpoint,
Cuckfield, Barcombe, Lindfield, Ditchling, Keymer and Plumpton
Catalogue Ref. Otehall

Creator(s):
Irvine, Godman, of Wivelsfield

Otehall (Great Ote Hall) in Wivelsfield and lands in adjoining
parishes

FILE - Marriage Settlement - ref. AMS4135 - date: January 1594
hit[from Scope and Content] (a) Thomas Godman of Barcombe,
yeoman (b) Thomas Godman son and heir apparent of (a), (c) Mary Porter
dau of Richard Porter late of Beigham (?Bayham, Kent) dec'd

Interesting that the 1634 armigerous 'gent' (her brother) had a yeoman
for a father.

Oops--I mean grandfather (father of the groom). And the pedigree
entered by Edward, son of Thomas, son of Thomas in 1634 explicitly calls
his grandfather Thomas (the father of the groom here) 'gent.' According
to the Godman book from the BYU site, the claimed gentry link was false.
One of the genealogies in the book suggests that these Godmans had been
gentry, and had held 'Ote Hall' for two or three generations previously,
but elsewhere on line it looks like Edward Godman (Mrs. Elizabeth's
brother) bought Ote Hall and its manor, and it is only in his generation
that the family become gentry.

Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net

John Brandon

Re: 'Mrs.' Elizabeth Godman (was Giffard's horse)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 27 nov 2006 22:08:58

Percy Godman's book, p. 65, says:

"The arms were confirmed to him [Thomas Godman of Lethered] 1579. In
1871 in consequence of enquiries I made at the College of Arms, London,
I received the following letter from William H. Weldon, Rouge Dragon.
'On searching the records in this office, I can find but one coat of
Godman. It is a pen and ink sketch, and at the side of the crest is
written, in order that there should be no mistake "a heathecocke in
proper colour."' This was 1579, May 12th. The sketch shows an
indented line drawn through the quartering of the shield. This
alteration may have been made for Thomas Godman, 1579.
It is probable this was not the original grant of arms, only an
allowance of them. In early times persons who held official
appointments where it was necessary to use seals for documents, adopted
a seal for their own particular use which gradually came to be looked
upon as their own. This may have been the case here, as we know
members of this family were sent to Parliament as members of Lewes
1392, 1396, 1397, 1427, 1448. It is certain Edward Godman of
Wivelsfield, 1634, proved his right to the use of them. If the sketch
made in 1579 for Thomas Godman of Lethered were an allowance of arms
previously used, the confirmation of the allowance to Edward Godman is
more easily understood." [... for what it's worth ...]

John Brandon

Re: 'Mrs.' Elizabeth Godman (was Giffard's horse)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 27 nov 2006 22:56:09

I think Thomas and Mary (Porter) Godman must have been owners of
Otehall, as p. 35 of the Godman books mentions their initials ("T G M
1600") on the north end of the house.

What is the translation of -- "3 Carolus. The homage of Wightden Calif
manor present 'quod Thomas Godman qui de domino hujus manerii tenuit
sibi et heredibus suis libere per cartam Maner de Oathall in
Wivelsfield contin. 120 acr. per redditum annualem 15 Solid. Heriet.
Relev. obiit seizit. et Edwardus Godman est filius et heres.'" (also
from p. 35 of the book).

John Brandon

Re: 'Mrs.' Elizabeth Godman (was Giffard's horse)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 27 nov 2006 23:04:59

Apparently, Elizabeth Godman's father referred to himself in his will
as 'gent.':

FILE - Probate (Lewes) of Will dated 10 October 1624. Thomas Godman
of Wivelsfield, gent - ref. AMS4136 - date: 18 December 1624

Nathaniel Taylor

Re: 'Mrs.' Elizabeth Godman (was Giffard's horse)

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 28 nov 2006 03:52:34

In article <1164665099.713312.107320@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"John Brandon" <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:

Apparently, Elizabeth Godman's father referred to himself in his will
as 'gent.':

FILE - Probate (Lewes) of Will dated 10 October 1624. Thomas Godman
of Wivelsfield, gent - ref. AMS4136 - date: 18 December 1624

Good. I'm not sure how to interpret Percy Godman's account on p. 40-41
(the 1634 heralds' notebook entry by Edward Godman), but it seems to
suggest that he was claiming descent from Thomas G of Lethered (1579);
however the accounts of the Lethered & Wivelsfield families in Percy G's
book show them to be distinct lines. On some Shirley-family website Ote
Hall is said to have been purchased by Edward Godman --

http://www.shirleyassociation.com/NewSh ... land/oteha
ll.html

-- but the 1600 inscription you note suggests that that was wrong.
Clearly there's more dipping to be done--and the question remains
whether the sort of provisional acceptance of the armorial claim seen in
the 1634 visitation record counts as 'real' arms (there are some on the
NEHGS heraldry committee who would argue not).

Back to Elizabeth, one wonders why, when & how she emigrated as an
unmarried woman--though your posted page referring to her getting in
trouble in 1635 for pulling down church decorations at Wivelsfield
suggests she may have been encouraged to get out of town based on her
own unique character (regardless of puritanical religious convictions).
Did she simply go to CT in the orbit of her cousin Rev. Henry Whitfield
(c. 1637), then stay on; or was there another closer family member that
might have gone, too?

Given her long-standing profile as an early witch, I think there would
be interest in an article summarizing your findings about her background
& connections, even though she has no descendants.

Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net

John Brandon

Re: 'Mrs.' Elizabeth Godman (was Giffard's horse)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 28 nov 2006 15:37:30

Back to Elizabeth, one wonders why, when & how she emigrated as an
unmarried woman--though your posted page referring to her getting in
trouble in 1635 for pulling down church decorations at Wivelsfield
suggests she may have been encouraged to get out of town based on her
own unique character (regardless of puritanical religious convictions).
Did she simply go to CT in the orbit of her cousin Rev. Henry Whitfield
(c. 1637), then stay on; or was there another closer family member that
might have gone, too?


That is probably the most obvious explanation; P. Godman's book has
Edward Godman (or his brother John) mentioning his kinsman Rev. Henry
Whitfield. The _Sussex Archaeological Collections_ give the following
indenture, made just before Henry Whitfield's immigration:

44. Indenture made 1 Feb. 1638-9 (14 Chas. I), by which Henry
Whitfield of Ockley, co. Surrey, clerk, and Dorothy Whitfield, his
wife, and Thomas Whitfield of Worth, esq., son and heir of John
Whitfield, late of Worth, esq., deceased, sell to Edward Godman of
Westminston, gent., for L2,000, the messuage or dwelling house, etc.
....

See p. 49 of

http://books.google.com/books?vid=0R0_d ... +whitfield

Another distinct possibility is Edmund Hawes, who was an even closer
relation of Mrs. Elizabeth Godman (their mothers were the sisters Jane
and Mary Porter of Bayham/Frant/Lamberhurst).

Do you ever run into Diane Rappaport at the His-Gen, Nat? Feel free to
tell her about these postings if you like; maybe she would feel like
doing a follow-up to her Godman witch piece. Personally, I decline
ever again to submit to the pettifogging demands of genealogical
editors! It's so much easier to slap it up here and fuggeddaboudit ...

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