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Fw: English origin of Mrs. Jane Poole (nee Greene) ofTaunton

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 11 nov 2006 11:30:08

One more Hip........................
You have more details about these individuals and there seems to be a
misspelling, doesn't matter by whom,
but if the people are the same you may find a very interesting link.

You give John Walrond (buried 1611 at Seaton) and his wife, Jane Hatch
(buried 1640 at Seaton)

It seems on my website http://www.genealogics.org you will find the same
couple, without dates and Jane Hatch is spelled Hach. My source is Gerald
Paget's ancestors and relatives of Prince Charles.
Amongst the children you mention there no Anne? She married James Ashe and
her line goes to Prince Charles.

Paget gives names for both parents of John Walrond, of Bovey but only the
name of the father of Jane Hach.

Hope this helps.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com>
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Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: English origin of Mrs. Jane Poole (nee Greene)
ofTaunton-Dorchester-Boston


Dear John ~

I found your four posts today regarding the parentage and ancestry of
Jane (Greene) Pole to be most interesting indeed. You've produced
several valuable pieces of evidence, among them the marriage record of
Jane's parents, John Greene and ____ Walrond, in 1602 at Seaton and
Beer, Devon [Reference: IGI].

Because I found your posts so compelling, I decided check a pedigree of
the Walrond family of Bovey (in Seaton and Beer), Devon prepared by
A.J.P. Skinner in 1907. This pedigree was originally published in
Transactions of the Devonshire Association for the Advancement of
Science, Literature, and Art, volume 39 (1907), pp. 264-266. The
pedigree reveals that Jane (Greene) Pole's maternal grandparents were
John Walrond (buried 1611 at Seaton) and his wife, Jane Hatch (buried
1640 at Seaton). This couple had a large family of children, including
Edmund Walrond, baptized at Seaton and Beer, Devon in 1592, whose wife,
Ann Pole, was the sister of William Pole, husband of Jane Greene.
Edmund Walrond also had a sister, Bridget, baptized at Seaton and Beer
in 1593, who married Rev. Theophilus Gale, which couple were the
parents of Rev. Theophilus Gale, died 1678, and, as you noted,
Katherine Gale, wife of Walter Northcott. Thus, it appears Jane
(Greene) Pole was a first cousin to Katherine (Gale) Northcott, whose
1685 will names Jane (Greene) Pole as her "dear kinswoman" [Reference:
NEHGR, 48:4].

Unfortunately Mr. Skinner's chart does not include a daughter for John
and Jane (Hatch) Walrond named Cecily Walrond. However, there can be
no doubt that Cecily Walrond, the mother of Jane (Greene) Pole, was the
daughter of John Walrond and his wife, Jane Hatch. As noted above,
Cecily Walrond and her husband, John Greene, were married in the parish
of Seaton and Beer, Devon, where John and Jane Walrond resided.
Furthermore, the 1623 Visitation of Somerset (which you cited) names
Cecily (Walrond) Greene'e father as John Walrond of Bovey, co. Devon.
Bovey is situated in the parish of Seaton and Beer.

For further good news, Mr. Skinner shows that the parents of Jane
(Hatch) Walrond were Lewis Hatch, of Aller, Devon, died 1561, and his
wife, Elizabeth, daughter of Bartholomew Fortescue, of Filleigh, Devon.
The Fortescue connection provides Jane (Greene) Pole with a valid
royal ancestry by way of the Fortescue, Beauchamp, Mohun, Fitz Peter,
and Clare families. When I have time later this week, I'll post the
specifics of Jane (Greene) Pole's royal ancestry.

I should menrtion that I also came across an online reference which
indicates that John Greene and Cecily Walrond had a daughter, Sara
Greene, who married John Hill, of Dorchester, Dorset [Reference: Dorset
Visitations 1623, pp. 3, 55]. The weblink for this reference is given
below.

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prai ... mpany.html

The above website is based on research done by the late Judith Osborne,
a close personal friend of mine, and Martha Strong.

One last thing: I say three cheers for John Brandon! Hip! Hip!
Hurrah!

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah


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Re: Fw: English origin of Mrs. Jane Poole (nee Greene) ofTau

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 11 nov 2006 19:56:29

Dear Leo ~

I checked the published Walrond pedigree for you today. Mr. Skinner's
chart mentions an Anne Walrond, who was wife of James Ash, of South
Petherton, Somerset, who died 1615, which James Ashe was the son of
Nicholas Ash, of Clist Formison, who died 4 April 1552.

Mr. Skinner, however, places Anne (Walrond) Ashe as the sister, not
daughter, of John Walrond, of Bovey, Devon, who married Jane Hatch.
Thus, Anne (Walrond) Ashe's correct parents would be John Walrond, Sr.,
of Bovey, buried at Seaton and Beer 23 April 1552, and his wife, Joan,
daughter of Cutbert Clawsey. As far as I can tell from the chronology,
Mr. Skinner is correct in his placement of Anne (Walrond) Ashe in the
Walrond family tree.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Leo van de Pas

Re: Fw: English origin of Mrs. Jane Poole (nee Greene)ofTaun

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 11 nov 2006 22:53:13

Many thanks for this, it is again showing how Gerald Paget can steer you
into the right direction but isn't always correct.
Leo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com>
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To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: English origin of Mrs. Jane Poole (nee
Greene)ofTaunton-Dorchester-Boston


Dear Leo ~

I checked the published Walrond pedigree for you today. Mr. Skinner's
chart mentions an Anne Walrond, who was wife of James Ash, of South
Petherton, Somerset, who died 1615, which James Ashe was the son of
Nicholas Ash, of Clist Formison, who died 4 April 1552.

Mr. Skinner, however, places Anne (Walrond) Ashe as the sister, not
daughter, of John Walrond, of Bovey, Devon, who married Jane Hatch.
Thus, Anne (Walrond) Ashe's correct parents would be John Walrond, Sr.,
of Bovey, buried at Seaton and Beer 23 April 1552, and his wife, Joan,
daughter of Cutbert Clawsey. As far as I can tell from the chronology,
Mr. Skinner is correct in his placement of Anne (Walrond) Ashe in the
Walrond family tree.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah


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