King's Kinsfolk: King Philippe III of France's kinwoman, Yol

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Douglas Richardson

King's Kinsfolk: King Philippe III of France's kinwoman, Yol

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 03 nov 2006 19:10:46

Dear Newsgroup ~

The Necrology of the convent of Marienthal identifies Yolande de
Vianden as kinswoman [cognata] of King Philippe III of France:

"Moritur deinde D. Ludovicus anno 1270, eique succedit Philippus
filius. Is, procurante Yolanda cognata ejus, misit sanctimonialibus
Mariae Vallis, de Corona Christi Spinam unam, gestatem a simulachro
argenteo angeli, additis 250 libris nummum Turonensium ..."
[Reference: F. de Mély, Exuviæ sacræ constantinopolitanæ (1904):
328-329, citing the Necrology of the Marienthal Convent published in
P. Alex. Wiltheim, Vie de Yolande de Vianden, Anvers, 1674].

King Philippe III of France and his kinswoman, Yolande de Vianden, were
related in the 4th and 3rd degrees of kindred, or if you prefer 2nd
cousins once removed, by virtue of their common descent from Baudouin
V, Count of Flanders and Hainault, died 1195, as set forth below.

1. Baudouin V, Count of Flanders and Hainault, died 1195.
2. Isabelle of Flanders, married Philippe Auguste, King of France.
3. King Louis VIII of France, died 1226.
4. King Louis IX of France, died 1270.
5. King Philippe III of France, died 1285.

1. Baudouin V, Count of Flanders and Hainault, died 1195.
2. Yolande of Flanders, married Pierre de Courtenay, Emperor of
Constantinople.
4. Marguerite de Courtenay, married Henry I, Count of Vianden.
4. Yolande de Vianden.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Peter Stewart

Re: King's Kinsfolk: King Philippe III of France's kinwoman,

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 04 nov 2006 00:17:41

Each new post of this type from Richardson is getting even sillier than the
last - no-one with a functioning reptile brain could seriously think this a
new discovery or worth reporting. The genealogy of these families and
individuals has never been in the slightest doubt, or obscurity for that
matter. Onnce again the newsgroup members are being invited to admire some
residue in a child's potty.

Peter Stewart


"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1162577446.462478.46620@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dear Newsgroup ~

The Necrology of the convent of Marienthal identifies Yolande de
Vianden as kinswoman [cognata] of King Philippe III of France:

Peter Stewart

Re: King's Kinsfolk: King Philippe III of France's kinwoman,

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 04 nov 2006 00:41:01

"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1162577446.462478.46620@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dear Newsgroup ~

The Necrology of the convent of Marienthal identifies Yolande de
Vianden as kinswoman [cognata] of King Philippe III of France:

"Moritur deinde D. Ludovicus anno 1270, eique succedit Philippus
filius. Is, procurante Yolanda cognata ejus, misit sanctimonialibus
Mariae Vallis, de Corona Christi Spinam unam, gestatem a simulachro
argenteo angeli, additis 250 libris nummum Turonensium ..."
[Reference: F. de Mély, Exuviæ sacræ constantinopolitanæ (1904):
328-329, citing the Necrology of the Marienthal Convent published in
P. Alex. Wiltheim, Vie de Yolande de Vianden, Anvers, 1674].

Not only is this silly and futile, it is also dead wrong.

The quotation offered as a source is not from the medieval necrology of
Marienthal as claimed, but from the 17th-century author Alexandre von
Wiltheim in his _Vita venerabilis Yolandae priorissae ad Mariae Vallem in
ducatu Luciliburgensi_ published in 1674.

A 19th-century author quoted an extract from the necrology as printed in the
1674 book above his citation of it, then directly from its author Wiltheim
below, and Richardson can't tell the difference. But the statement could not
be clearer: after Wiltheim's name the passage continues "il nous apprend
enfin que:" followed by the passage about Yolande as kinswoman to King
Philippe. This unmistakably (to anyone capable of making head or tail of it)
means "he [Wiltheim] lastly informs us that:" etc.

The dates given in Roman and Arabic numerals in the respective passages
should have been enough to tip off even an illiterate reader that one was
medieval and the other modern.

Richardson urgently needs to obtain the services of a trained historian or
kindergarten student - anyone better equipped than himself - to assist with
his research.

Peter Stewart

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