The linkage that appears to be being made is as follows
Willian Sinclair, Lord of Rossyln d aft 13 Sep 1358 married Isabella of
Strathern
son of
William Sinclair who dvp 25 Aug 1330 in Spain
son of
Henry Sinclair of Rossyln d bef 28 Jan 1335/6 and his wife Alice de Fenton
son of
William Sinclair of Rossyln, Sheriff of Edinburgh in 1264 [note by this
descent he has to be born 1230/34]
son of
Robert de Chaumont, seigneur de Saint Clair in Normandy d abt 1269 by his
wife Eleanor of Dreux d 1248/57
Eleanor was a great-granddaughter of Louis VI King of France
Is this descent sound? I'm just wondering why the son of a seigneur in
Normandy would be popping over to live in Scotland in this time period.
Will Johnson
William Sinclair of Rossyln, Sheriff of Edinburgh 1264
Moderator: MOD_nyhetsgrupper
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Peter Stewart
Re: William Sinclair of Rossyln, Sheriff of Edinburgh 1264
<WJhonson@aol.com> wrote in message
news:mailman.154.1162345519.5663.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
Plenty of them did, after land & power - SP gives this link, citing
'Genealogie of the Saintclaires of Rosslyn' by Richard Hay, written at the
end of the 17th century & published from his manuscript in 1835. I have
never looked into this. I understand tat it has been reprinted recently,
perhaps due to interest in Freemasonry (and/or the Rosslyn chapel from the
_Da Vinci Code_ farrago).
Peter Stewart
news:mailman.154.1162345519.5663.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
The linkage that appears to be being made is as follows
Willian Sinclair, Lord of Rossyln d aft 13 Sep 1358 married Isabella of
Strathern
son of
William Sinclair who dvp 25 Aug 1330 in Spain
son of
Henry Sinclair of Rossyln d bef 28 Jan 1335/6 and his wife Alice de Fenton
son of
William Sinclair of Rossyln, Sheriff of Edinburgh in 1264 [note by this
descent he has to be born 1230/34]
son of
Robert de Chaumont, seigneur de Saint Clair in Normandy d abt 1269 by his
wife Eleanor of Dreux d 1248/57
Eleanor was a great-granddaughter of Louis VI King of France
Is this descent sound? I'm just wondering why the son of a seigneur in
Normandy would be popping over to live in Scotland in this time period.
Plenty of them did, after land & power - SP gives this link, citing
'Genealogie of the Saintclaires of Rosslyn' by Richard Hay, written at the
end of the 17th century & published from his manuscript in 1835. I have
never looked into this. I understand tat it has been reprinted recently,
perhaps due to interest in Freemasonry (and/or the Rosslyn chapel from the
_Da Vinci Code_ farrago).
Peter Stewart
-
adechaumont
Re: William Sinclair of Rossyln, Sheriff of Edinburgh 1264
Excuse me for this "interuption" in a discussion between historians for
a message wich doesn't have direct relation with the initial
subject......This is a "HELP!" message.
I explain to you my "problem" . My name is Antoine DECHAUMONT and after
genealogy researchs it appears that my ancesters, "de chaumont" , where
countrymen in the 17th century , and whose origin village was Villers
en vexin , a village which is at 3 kilometers of GUITRY !! (I find
number of generations in this part of vexin - a part of my family is
still in this canton , between Guitry, les Andelys, Etrepagny, Saint
clair sur epte, etc...)
The big question for us is : is it possible that our family could be a
"minor" branch of CHAUMONT-GUITRY ? is it possible that such a great
familly had a minor branch which could have staid in this region and
became "roturiers" ??? the registers begin in 1650 and I don't know
what to do to go up to try to find a link to the chaumont-guitry.
Do you have any advice that you could give to me for my research ? do
you think a link is possible or that it is absolutely impossible ?
thank you and sorry for this "out of subject message"...
Best Regards
Antoine DECHAUMONT
WJhonson@aol.com a écrit :
a message wich doesn't have direct relation with the initial
subject......This is a "HELP!" message.
I explain to you my "problem" . My name is Antoine DECHAUMONT and after
genealogy researchs it appears that my ancesters, "de chaumont" , where
countrymen in the 17th century , and whose origin village was Villers
en vexin , a village which is at 3 kilometers of GUITRY !! (I find
number of generations in this part of vexin - a part of my family is
still in this canton , between Guitry, les Andelys, Etrepagny, Saint
clair sur epte, etc...)
The big question for us is : is it possible that our family could be a
"minor" branch of CHAUMONT-GUITRY ? is it possible that such a great
familly had a minor branch which could have staid in this region and
became "roturiers" ??? the registers begin in 1650 and I don't know
what to do to go up to try to find a link to the chaumont-guitry.
Do you have any advice that you could give to me for my research ? do
you think a link is possible or that it is absolutely impossible ?
thank you and sorry for this "out of subject message"...
Best Regards
Antoine DECHAUMONT
WJhonson@aol.com a écrit :
The linkage that appears to be being made is as follows
Willian Sinclair, Lord of Rossyln d aft 13 Sep 1358 married Isabella of
Strathern
son of
William Sinclair who dvp 25 Aug 1330 in Spain
son of
Henry Sinclair of Rossyln d bef 28 Jan 1335/6 and his wife Alice de Fenton
son of
William Sinclair of Rossyln, Sheriff of Edinburgh in 1264 [note by this
descent he has to be born 1230/34]
son of
Robert de Chaumont, seigneur de Saint Clair in Normandy d abt 1269 by his
wife Eleanor of Dreux d 1248/57
Eleanor was a great-granddaughter of Louis VI King of France
Is this descent sound? I'm just wondering why the son of a seigneur in
Normandy would be popping over to live in Scotland in this time period.
Will Johnson
-
Dora Smith
Re: DeChaumont was William Sinclair of Rossyln, Sheriff of E
Antoine:
You leave out crucial details. What locations are attached to this family
and events? England? France? Quebec?
--
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24@yahoo.com
"adechaumont" <adechaumont@infonie.fr> wrote in message
news:1166956019.645978.79660@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
Excuse me for this "interuption" in a discussion between historians for
a message wich doesn't have direct relation with the initial
subject......This is a "HELP!" message.
I explain to you my "problem" . My name is Antoine DECHAUMONT and after
genealogy researchs it appears that my ancesters, "de chaumont" , where
countrymen in the 17th century , and whose origin village was Villers
en vexin , a village which is at 3 kilometers of GUITRY !! (I find
number of generations in this part of vexin - a part of my family is
still in this canton , between Guitry, les Andelys, Etrepagny, Saint
clair sur epte, etc...)
The big question for us is : is it possible that our family could be a
"minor" branch of CHAUMONT-GUITRY ? is it possible that such a great
familly had a minor branch which could have staid in this region and
became "roturiers" ??? the registers begin in 1650 and I don't know
what to do to go up to try to find a link to the chaumont-guitry.
Do you have any advice that you could give to me for my research ? do
you think a link is possible or that it is absolutely impossible ?
thank you and sorry for this "out of subject message"...
Best Regards
Antoine DECHAUMONT
WJhonson@aol.com a écrit :
You leave out crucial details. What locations are attached to this family
and events? England? France? Quebec?
--
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24@yahoo.com
"adechaumont" <adechaumont@infonie.fr> wrote in message
news:1166956019.645978.79660@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
Excuse me for this "interuption" in a discussion between historians for
a message wich doesn't have direct relation with the initial
subject......This is a "HELP!" message.
I explain to you my "problem" . My name is Antoine DECHAUMONT and after
genealogy researchs it appears that my ancesters, "de chaumont" , where
countrymen in the 17th century , and whose origin village was Villers
en vexin , a village which is at 3 kilometers of GUITRY !! (I find
number of generations in this part of vexin - a part of my family is
still in this canton , between Guitry, les Andelys, Etrepagny, Saint
clair sur epte, etc...)
The big question for us is : is it possible that our family could be a
"minor" branch of CHAUMONT-GUITRY ? is it possible that such a great
familly had a minor branch which could have staid in this region and
became "roturiers" ??? the registers begin in 1650 and I don't know
what to do to go up to try to find a link to the chaumont-guitry.
Do you have any advice that you could give to me for my research ? do
you think a link is possible or that it is absolutely impossible ?
thank you and sorry for this "out of subject message"...
Best Regards
Antoine DECHAUMONT
WJhonson@aol.com a écrit :
The linkage that appears to be being made is as follows
Willian Sinclair, Lord of Rossyln d aft 13 Sep 1358 married Isabella of
Strathern
son of
William Sinclair who dvp 25 Aug 1330 in Spain
son of
Henry Sinclair of Rossyln d bef 28 Jan 1335/6 and his wife Alice de Fenton
son of
William Sinclair of Rossyln, Sheriff of Edinburgh in 1264 [note by this
descent he has to be born 1230/34]
son of
Robert de Chaumont, seigneur de Saint Clair in Normandy d abt 1269 by his
wife Eleanor of Dreux d 1248/57
Eleanor was a great-granddaughter of Louis VI King of France
Is this descent sound? I'm just wondering why the son of a seigneur in
Normandy would be popping over to live in Scotland in this time period.
Will Johnson
-
Dora Smith
Re: William Sinclair of Rossyln, Sheriff of Edinburgh 1264
If these people and places were in FRANCE, now, then Guitry may ahve been a
dit name of DeChaumont, which means that you're trying to get it backwards.
Dit names differentiated lines of a family. Dechaumont dit Guitry would
mean a line of the Dechaumont family that took the name Guitry.
Dit names could also be used to differentiate between unrelated families
with the same last name. They had other uses as well, such as in the
military. In time, as they were on their way out, they were often
abbreviated - the word dit became a dash.
The dash also warns you to look out - once people stopped sticking to form
they were also likely to confuse the names. The true name could be Guitry
dit DeChaumont.
I wouldn't just assume any of this without more information.
Now, if it was in Quebec, all of the genealogy is published, you just have
to keep searching under possible names, keeping in mind that the people also
couldn't spell and the Quebec dialect of French underwent rapid change. Or
formation. THe people who came to Quebec didn't just speak one dialect.
Even in France, the Catholic Church may have preserved records, and if the
family were well enough off there could also be wills.
If it was in England, good lluck, but I'm betting Villers en vexin and
Guitry were not in England. Even though you never say so.
--
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24@yahoo.com
"adechaumont" <adechaumont@infonie.fr> wrote in message
news:1166956019.645978.79660@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
Excuse me for this "interuption" in a discussion between historians for
a message wich doesn't have direct relation with the initial
subject......This is a "HELP!" message.
I explain to you my "problem" . My name is Antoine DECHAUMONT and after
genealogy researchs it appears that my ancesters, "de chaumont" , where
countrymen in the 17th century , and whose origin village was Villers
en vexin , a village which is at 3 kilometers of GUITRY !! (I find
number of generations in this part of vexin - a part of my family is
still in this canton , between Guitry, les Andelys, Etrepagny, Saint
clair sur epte, etc...)
The big question for us is : is it possible that our family could be a
"minor" branch of CHAUMONT-GUITRY ? is it possible that such a great
familly had a minor branch which could have staid in this region and
became "roturiers" ??? the registers begin in 1650 and I don't know
what to do to go up to try to find a link to the chaumont-guitry.
Do you have any advice that you could give to me for my research ? do
you think a link is possible or that it is absolutely impossible ?
thank you and sorry for this "out of subject message"...
Best Regards
Antoine DECHAUMONT
WJhonson@aol.com a écrit :
dit name of DeChaumont, which means that you're trying to get it backwards.
Dit names differentiated lines of a family. Dechaumont dit Guitry would
mean a line of the Dechaumont family that took the name Guitry.
Dit names could also be used to differentiate between unrelated families
with the same last name. They had other uses as well, such as in the
military. In time, as they were on their way out, they were often
abbreviated - the word dit became a dash.
The dash also warns you to look out - once people stopped sticking to form
they were also likely to confuse the names. The true name could be Guitry
dit DeChaumont.
I wouldn't just assume any of this without more information.
Now, if it was in Quebec, all of the genealogy is published, you just have
to keep searching under possible names, keeping in mind that the people also
couldn't spell and the Quebec dialect of French underwent rapid change. Or
formation. THe people who came to Quebec didn't just speak one dialect.
Even in France, the Catholic Church may have preserved records, and if the
family were well enough off there could also be wills.
If it was in England, good lluck, but I'm betting Villers en vexin and
Guitry were not in England. Even though you never say so.
--
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24@yahoo.com
"adechaumont" <adechaumont@infonie.fr> wrote in message
news:1166956019.645978.79660@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
Excuse me for this "interuption" in a discussion between historians for
a message wich doesn't have direct relation with the initial
subject......This is a "HELP!" message.
I explain to you my "problem" . My name is Antoine DECHAUMONT and after
genealogy researchs it appears that my ancesters, "de chaumont" , where
countrymen in the 17th century , and whose origin village was Villers
en vexin , a village which is at 3 kilometers of GUITRY !! (I find
number of generations in this part of vexin - a part of my family is
still in this canton , between Guitry, les Andelys, Etrepagny, Saint
clair sur epte, etc...)
The big question for us is : is it possible that our family could be a
"minor" branch of CHAUMONT-GUITRY ? is it possible that such a great
familly had a minor branch which could have staid in this region and
became "roturiers" ??? the registers begin in 1650 and I don't know
what to do to go up to try to find a link to the chaumont-guitry.
Do you have any advice that you could give to me for my research ? do
you think a link is possible or that it is absolutely impossible ?
thank you and sorry for this "out of subject message"...
Best Regards
Antoine DECHAUMONT
WJhonson@aol.com a écrit :
The linkage that appears to be being made is as follows
Willian Sinclair, Lord of Rossyln d aft 13 Sep 1358 married Isabella of
Strathern
son of
William Sinclair who dvp 25 Aug 1330 in Spain
son of
Henry Sinclair of Rossyln d bef 28 Jan 1335/6 and his wife Alice de Fenton
son of
William Sinclair of Rossyln, Sheriff of Edinburgh in 1264 [note by this
descent he has to be born 1230/34]
son of
Robert de Chaumont, seigneur de Saint Clair in Normandy d abt 1269 by his
wife Eleanor of Dreux d 1248/57
Eleanor was a great-granddaughter of Louis VI King of France
Is this descent sound? I'm just wondering why the son of a seigneur in
Normandy would be popping over to live in Scotland in this time period.
Will Johnson