The Last of the Neanderthal
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The Spanish Paranoia
The Last of the Neanderthal
Geology indicates that there has been a direct tectonic connection
between Europe and Africa across the zones of Gibraltar and Rif on the
one hand, and Calabria and Sicily on the other, at least since the end
of the Paleozoic, contradicting plate-tectonic claims of significant
displacement between Europe and Africa during this period.
By 6 million years ago, Spain and Africa collided, raising a mountain
barrier and sealing off the western end of the Mediterranean. River
inflow is not enough to maintain the level of the Mediterranean, which
dries out.
It is widely believed that H. erectus originally migrated from Africa
during the Early Pleistocene, around 2.0 million years ago, and
dispersed throughout most of the Old World, reaching as far as
Southeast Asia.
But there were already another race of H. erectus habitating Europe. In
fact they were lost ancestors, that got separated when both continents
ripped apart.
The Gibraltar Strait was now open and they couldn't migrate South to
Africa like they undoubtedly used to do when both continents wre
connected.
They were Neanderthals, and they had evolved adapting to the rough
environment. And so, they started to grow hair to fend off the cold,
and adapted to bush or jungle conditions, hence his shorter average
height.
Cro-Magnon evolved on open plains, hence his tallness, his
long-sightness, and right-handness.
No need for hair either, when living in warm climates.
A vey large portion of the Neanderthal population perished in
Poseidonis, an island about the size of Ireland, situated in the
Atlantic Ocean opposite the strait of Gibraltar, that sank in a major
cataclysm in 9565 BC.
Geologist Christian O'Brien believes that Poseidonis was a large
mid-Atlantic ridge island centred on the Azores, that had originally
measured 720 km across from east to west, and 480 km from north to
south, with high mountain ranges rising over 3660 metres above sea
level. Before or during its submergence, it tilted by about 0.4° with
the result that the south coast sank about 3355 metres but the north
coast only some 1830 metres. Only the mountain peaks remained above the
waters, and now form the ten islands of the Azores. O'Brien thinks the
island could have sunk within a period of a few years or even months,
and points out that six areas of hot spring fields (associated with
volcanic disturbances) are known in the mid-Atlantic ridge area, and
four of them lie in the Kane-Atlantis area close to the Azores.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/sunken.htm
The rest of the European Neanderthals were wiped out in a relatively
short period of time. They vanished at exactly the same time that
Cro-Magnon started to colonize Europe, bringing along lethal sexual
transmitted diseases.
But the last ones that could interbred with the new-comers did pass on
their genes and produced hybrids that are today's Iberians.
And British...
People of Celtic ancestry were thought to have descended from tribes of
central Europe. Professor Sykes, who is soon to publish the first DNA
map of the British Isles, said: "About 6,000 years ago Iberians
developed ocean-going boats that enabled them to push up the Channel.
Before they arrived, there were some human inhabitants of Britain but
only a few thousand in number. These people were later subsumed into a
larger Celtic tribe... The majority of people in the British Isles are
actually descended from the Spanish."
If you look at History, you'll see that both countries, Spain and
Britain, have conquered about every corner of the world. Many would
argue that this is a symbol of lack of humanity, but the truth is that
500 years ago any country would have tried to expand their borders and
only the ones with available military force could do it. It happens
even in today's civilized world.
Although the main objective clearly was looting, both countries also
made an effort to export their beliefs to the conquered territories,
Spain in the form of religion, and Britain as cultural assets.
If two small nations like Spain and Britain had agreed to join their
forces, they will now control Planet Earth.
Instead they chose to fight each other.
Typically Neandertalish.
http://lasparanoias.blogspot.com/2006/1 ... rthal.html
between Europe and Africa across the zones of Gibraltar and Rif on the
one hand, and Calabria and Sicily on the other, at least since the end
of the Paleozoic, contradicting plate-tectonic claims of significant
displacement between Europe and Africa during this period.
By 6 million years ago, Spain and Africa collided, raising a mountain
barrier and sealing off the western end of the Mediterranean. River
inflow is not enough to maintain the level of the Mediterranean, which
dries out.
It is widely believed that H. erectus originally migrated from Africa
during the Early Pleistocene, around 2.0 million years ago, and
dispersed throughout most of the Old World, reaching as far as
Southeast Asia.
But there were already another race of H. erectus habitating Europe. In
fact they were lost ancestors, that got separated when both continents
ripped apart.
The Gibraltar Strait was now open and they couldn't migrate South to
Africa like they undoubtedly used to do when both continents wre
connected.
They were Neanderthals, and they had evolved adapting to the rough
environment. And so, they started to grow hair to fend off the cold,
and adapted to bush or jungle conditions, hence his shorter average
height.
Cro-Magnon evolved on open plains, hence his tallness, his
long-sightness, and right-handness.
No need for hair either, when living in warm climates.
A vey large portion of the Neanderthal population perished in
Poseidonis, an island about the size of Ireland, situated in the
Atlantic Ocean opposite the strait of Gibraltar, that sank in a major
cataclysm in 9565 BC.
Geologist Christian O'Brien believes that Poseidonis was a large
mid-Atlantic ridge island centred on the Azores, that had originally
measured 720 km across from east to west, and 480 km from north to
south, with high mountain ranges rising over 3660 metres above sea
level. Before or during its submergence, it tilted by about 0.4° with
the result that the south coast sank about 3355 metres but the north
coast only some 1830 metres. Only the mountain peaks remained above the
waters, and now form the ten islands of the Azores. O'Brien thinks the
island could have sunk within a period of a few years or even months,
and points out that six areas of hot spring fields (associated with
volcanic disturbances) are known in the mid-Atlantic ridge area, and
four of them lie in the Kane-Atlantis area close to the Azores.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/sunken.htm
The rest of the European Neanderthals were wiped out in a relatively
short period of time. They vanished at exactly the same time that
Cro-Magnon started to colonize Europe, bringing along lethal sexual
transmitted diseases.
But the last ones that could interbred with the new-comers did pass on
their genes and produced hybrids that are today's Iberians.
And British...
People of Celtic ancestry were thought to have descended from tribes of
central Europe. Professor Sykes, who is soon to publish the first DNA
map of the British Isles, said: "About 6,000 years ago Iberians
developed ocean-going boats that enabled them to push up the Channel.
Before they arrived, there were some human inhabitants of Britain but
only a few thousand in number. These people were later subsumed into a
larger Celtic tribe... The majority of people in the British Isles are
actually descended from the Spanish."
If you look at History, you'll see that both countries, Spain and
Britain, have conquered about every corner of the world. Many would
argue that this is a symbol of lack of humanity, but the truth is that
500 years ago any country would have tried to expand their borders and
only the ones with available military force could do it. It happens
even in today's civilized world.
Although the main objective clearly was looting, both countries also
made an effort to export their beliefs to the conquered territories,
Spain in the form of religion, and Britain as cultural assets.
If two small nations like Spain and Britain had agreed to join their
forces, they will now control Planet Earth.
Instead they chose to fight each other.
Typically Neandertalish.
http://lasparanoias.blogspot.com/2006/1 ... rthal.html
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dwilcox
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
Spain was in theory at least by far the more powerfull nation at the
time - that's why a large part of the world speaks Spanish England was
very much the horse in that horse and rider alliance.
dw
William Black wrote:
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time - that's why a large part of the world speaks Spanish England was
very much the horse in that horse and rider alliance.
dw
William Black wrote:
"The Spanish Paranoia" <laparanoia@gmail.com> wrote in message
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If two small nations like Spain and Britain had agreed to join their
forces, they will now control Planet Earth.
Instead they chose to fight each other.
Typically Neandertalish.
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Actually at one point they tried.
When Mary I married Philip of Spain.
However Spanish insistence that English traders be excluded from the New
World 'because the Pope said so' killed that one stone dead and we went back
to looting ships.
I think the term I'm looking for here is 'Priest ridden'.
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William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
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William Black
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
"dwilcox" <dwilcox@lightage.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Have you considered the possibility of punctuation?
And please don't 'top post'.
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William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
news:453B748C.76775C3B@lightage.demon.co.uk...
Spain was in theory at least by far the more powerfull nation at the
time - that's why a large part of the world speaks Spanish England was
very much the horse in that horse and rider alliance.
Have you considered the possibility of punctuation?
And please don't 'top post'.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
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dwilcox
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
Yes and why not?
William Black wrote:
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William Black wrote:
"dwilcox" <dwilcox@lightage.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:453B748C.76775C3B@lightage.demon.co.uk...
Spain was in theory at least by far the more powerfull nation at the
time - that's why a large part of the world speaks Spanish England was
very much the horse in that horse and rider alliance.
Have you considered the possibility of punctuation?
And please don't 'top post'.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
--
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Gjest
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
dwilcox wrote:
Because it makes it harder to follow what you're replying to?
Yes and why not?
Because it makes it harder to follow what you're replying to?
William Black wrote:
"dwilcox" <dwilcox@lightage.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:453B748C.76775C3B@lightage.demon.co.uk...
Spain was in theory at least by far the more powerfull nation at the
time - that's why a large part of the world speaks Spanish England was
very much the horse in that horse and rider alliance.
Have you considered the possibility of punctuation?
And please don't 'top post'.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
--
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William Black
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
"RafaMinu" <rafaminu@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Bottom posting or inserting your text at the appropriate point is usually
seen as the correct way to post.
Despite what Wikipedia says (and what they say does rather tend to be wrong
in detail almost all the time these days) there's an RFC around somewhere
that says you shouldn't top post.
Please try not to.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
news:1161551263.658437.196650@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
So, what`s the correct way to post then, at usenet?
Wikipedia tells me that:
When a message is replied to in e-mail, Internet forums, and Usenet the
original can often be included, or "quoted", in a variety of different
ways.
The main options are "top-posting" - replying above the original
message; "bottom-posting" - replying below; or "interleaved posting".
While each online community differs on which styles are appropriate or
acceptable, within any community the use of the "wrong" method risks
being seen as a major breach of netiquette, and likely to provoke
vehement response from community regulars.
Bottom posting or inserting your text at the appropriate point is usually
seen as the correct way to post.
Despite what Wikipedia says (and what they say does rather tend to be wrong
in detail almost all the time these days) there's an RFC around somewhere
that says you shouldn't top post.
Please try not to.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
-
dwilcox
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
William Black wrote:
OK I'll try not to...
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"RafaMinu" <rafaminu@gmail.com> wrote in message
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So, what`s the correct way to post then, at usenet?
Wikipedia tells me that:
When a message is replied to in e-mail, Internet forums, and Usenet the
original can often be included, or "quoted", in a variety of different
ways.
The main options are "top-posting" - replying above the original
message; "bottom-posting" - replying below; or "interleaved posting".
While each online community differs on which styles are appropriate or
acceptable, within any community the use of the "wrong" method risks
being seen as a major breach of netiquette, and likely to provoke
vehement response from community regulars.
Bottom posting or inserting your text at the appropriate point is usually
seen as the correct way to post.
Despite what Wikipedia says (and what they say does rather tend to be wrong
in detail almost all the time these days) there's an RFC around somewhere
that says you shouldn't top post.
Please try not to.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
OK I'll try not to...
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WWI & II at: http://www.lightage.demon.co.uk
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Scaly Lizard
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
On 22 Oct 2006 05:11:00 -0700, "The Spanish Paranoia"
<laparanoia@gmail.com> wrote:
True. The Mediterranean was once a lush valley. Pan-cultural
flood myths may well come from the oral tradition of the opening
of the Straits of Gibraltar, and resulting flooding. We know that
there were elephants in the Mediterranean Basin, since dwarf
elephant remains have been found in the remaining above-sea
lands, in Malta, Sicily, Corsica, etc. Diminshed resources brought
about insular dwarfism, and the remainder were hunted to extinction
when homo sapiens recolonized these islands at the end of the
most recent Ice Age.
Your timing is a bit off. Homonids did reach across Eurasia from
1.8 to 1.0 mya, but a global cataclysm (volcanic winter) reduced
the homonid population drastically. In fact, mankind's kinsfolk
were reduced to a few thousand individuals at most, some H Erectus
in Africa and some H Neanderthalensis in Europe. It is from the
African stock of H Erectus that all modern humans are descended,
and as a matter of fact, we are all the descendants of one particular
woman who lived about 80,000 years ago.
Neanderthals were not the ancestors of H Erectus. The opposite
is the truth. In Europe, Erectus evolved into H Neanderthalensis
and H Heidelbergensis. In the Caucasus, Erectus evolved into
H Sapiens. In East Asia, Erectus evolved into Sinanthropus, H
Floresiensis, Aboriginal Australians, et cetera.
That conclusion does not follow the preamble. "Bush or
jungle conditions" do not select for short height. The
Neanderthal "stocky" build is a classic example of selection
for a cooler climate, not the amount of ambient vegetation.
Shorter bipeds have a smaller ratio of surface area to
volume. Thus, it is easier to maintain a constant internal
temperature in a cool climate, if you are shorter.
Not true. The term "cro-magnon" is no longer used in
real science. It used to refer to the earliest European
examples of H Sapiens, but today we just say "Homo
Sapiens" because we now classify homonids by physical
features, rather than place of discovery.
As H Sapiens, "cro-magnon" arose in the quite-hilly
Southwest corner of Asia, not on "open plains."
And, of course, claiming that "open plains" select for
right-handedness is just plain goofy. Are you really that
goofy, or are you just parroting back the goofy things
that goofy people tell you?
What? You really are a freaking goofy twit, aren't you?
Neanderthals in Atlantis? What an idiot! 9565 BC? Hah!
Oh, my, god. Your "source" is a webpage that opens with
a quote from "H.P. Blavatsky" ?? Are you kidding me?
For those who don't know, this is Helena Petrovna Blavatsky,
a well-known nutjob and co-founder of "theosophy", a nutty
attempt to weld all the world's religions into a contraption
with her spiritualist psychic mumbo jumbo as the glue.
Blavatsky is sometimes called the founder of New Age
mysticism. But she was also a hard-core racist, who
frequently disparaged the "semitic" race and exalted the
"natural superiority" of the "aryan" race. She once referred
to aboriginal Australians as "semi-animal creatures."
Your "Poseidonis" is classic crackpot Blavatsky crap, as
a pseudonym for Atlantis. Blavatsky believed that Atlanteans
were the Fifth Race, the ancestors of today's humans (except
for Aussie aboriginals, apparently!) According to her jackass
theories, "aryans" were most closely related to Atlantis, with
the jews and other "semites" far down the list.
In case anyone reading this is still undecided about Blavatsky,
please recall that she was a crony of the Father of Modern
Satanism, Aleister Crowley. And her ideas were a big help
to Adolph Hitler when he sought a philosophical underpinning
for his tragic escapades.
Anyway, look at "figure 10" on this webpage. There is no
suboceanic plateau comparable to Ireland under the Azores.
At most, the Azores sit on a ridge 1/5 the size of Ireland's,
and no evidence suggests that it was ever any bigger.
Rather than Atlantis being tectonically subducted, upwellings
of magma along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge are continually
creating new landmass.
Sorry, dude, but science continues to slap your goofy ideas down.
OK, your continued use of the term "cro-magnon" points out
the fact that you are unfamiliar with modern anthropology.
Claiming that the "clap" killed off the Neanderthals is like
advertising your ignorance of modern epidemiology.
Citing Atlantis myths and Blavatsky's theosophical crapola
shows me that the "sources" for your goofy theories have
roots in ideas which were already considered 'pseudoscience'
a century ago.
It's a free country, so you're free to be an idiot. But what is
NOT OK is using pseudoscience to bolster racist ideas which
have been steadily dissolved by Actual Science in the 100
years since they were proposed by charlatans and hatemongers.
Anybody ever tell you that you're an idiot? I can't be the first!
There is one skeleton discovered in "Iberia" which has shown
an intriguing blend of H Neanderthalensis and H Sapiens traits.
But you fail to notice that today's Iberians and today's Britons
show ZERO of the classic physical traits of H Neanderthalensis.
On the contrary, the physical traits of *all* living humans are
classic Sapiens.
Real science is waking up to the fact that Neanderthals probably
did interbreed with H Sapiens, as would be expected. No matter
what the mechanism was for population replacement in Europe,
either warfare or attrition, Neanderthals did not pass on mtDNA
to modern European humans.
Sorry, but your premise falls flat on its face due to the utter
lack of scientific evidence.
Poppycock, and you take it out of context to boot, ya idiot.
Furthermore, Sykes will be the first to punk-slap you in
the back of your tiny head, to remind you that ZERO
Neanderthal mtDNA has been discovered in living humans.
There was no "Spanish" population 6,000 years ago. What
we know as "Spanish" is a result of Celts invading Iberia to
replace earlier H Sapiens inhabitants, then Carthaginians
invading, then the Romans, then the Moors.
Celtiberians who traveled to Britain in prehistory may have
replaced indigenous tribes, but it is just as likely that Celts
from Gaul were the secondary infusion of H Sapiens into
the isles, after the primary infusion of H Sapiens into Britain
much earlier.
Bryan Sykes is the first to point out that his work destroys
any pseudoscientific basis for racism. Yet in this message
you reference the Atlantis ideas of Blavatsky, a hard-core racist.
What kind of idiot are you? Did you think that nobody would
call you on that? Or are you just a dupe, spewing back the
sewage-science some charlatan fooled you with years before?
So what? In land-mass, the Mongol empire was history's largest.
In total area, Japan's conquests in the 1940's reached the
farthest. 600 years ago, China had the widest-ranging trade
networks. 1600 years ago, Rome's empire was the most
advanced, but Britain and Spain were mere hinterlands of
that empire.
Typically idiot. The single website you mention as "proof"
is a hodge-podge of former theories already disproven and
semi-mystical rantings by various well-known nutjobs. The
part about Poseidonis is the work of Christian O'Brien, from
the book "The Shining Ones" and the "Survey Of Atlantis".
Yeah, it's published by the less-than-reputable Dianthus
Publishing of Cirencester, UK, who apparently can't even
scrape together ten quid for a website.
Unfortunately, your website also sprinkles a few accepted
geological facts into the stew, to fool the idiots who are
just barely smart enough to raise an eyebrow (but who
are lazy enough to not follow up their initial concerns
by reading an actual book.)
You lifted a paragraph full of numbers and tilt degrees from
the website wholesale, but you neglected to "copy-paste"
the first line of the paragraph, which reads:
And you failed to "copy-paste" the last line of the paragraph:
In other words, this is based on racist ideology, and Real
Science has somehow failed to agree. Hah!
You jackass, read a friggin' science book now and then.
Try this compact explanation of Christian O'Brien's "work"...
http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/inter ... datlan.htm
Where Andrew Collins says this:
"These are fascinating insights into the protohistory of the Azores
group. Yet there are fundamental problems in accepting the theory of a
former Azorean landmass. It is now known, for instance, that the
volcanic mountains which constitute the Mid-Atlantic Ridge are of
relatively recent composition. They are like age-old geological scars
on a gaping wound that never properly heals. The north-south
orientated tectonic plates produce an upward flow of magma which
constantly creates new underwater mountain systems that are unlikely
to have formed part of a geological landmass in the manner described.
In addition to these problems, we must also acknowledge that there is
now wide-scale acceptance of the so-called continental drift theory,
first proposed in 1915 by the German meteorologist Arthur Wegener. In
simple terms, this asserts that many millions of years ago the
American and African landmasses were joined together, yet ever since
they have been slowly moving apart. Just by making paper cutouts of
the different continents and slotting them together we can see they
fit snugly, suggesting that the continental drift theory is real.
Furthermore, the fact that the American and African continents were
once joined together explains much of the flora and fauna they share.
More damning is the fact that when the first Portuguese navigators
reached the Azorean islands in 1427, they found them devoid not only
of human life but also of any fauna. Even though some evidence has
emerged to imply that in the third century BC Carthaginian vessels
from North Africa reached Corvo, the westernmost of the Azorean
islands, no archaeology has come to light to suggest that the
archipelago ever supported an indigenous culture.
Even if the O'Briens' proposals regarding prehistoric river beds,
located off the coast of São Miguel, do prove to be correct it seems
unlikely that Plato's Atlantis is the memory of a high culture which
once thrived on any proposed Azorean landmass. No evidence of an
indigenous culture has ever come to light on any of the islands and
there is no reason to assume that Plato's Atlantis account alludes to
a landmass of this sort. Even though he did state that Atlantis was
the size of Libya (North Africa) and Asia combined, it can be argued
that this did not relate to the physical size of the island but to the
extent of the dominion held by the kings of Atlantis. This can be
determined from the Critias, where Plato refers specifically to a much
smaller, east-west orientated landmass that cannot have been any more
than 600 kilometres in width (see the entry for the Americas). I'm
afraid we shall have to look elsewhere for the true location of lost
Atlantis."
So there you have it... even other "atlantis researchers" dispute
O'Brien's nutty claims. And it is true, what Collins says:
Of course, there are some interesting petroglyphs on the Canary
Islands, but that would force you to rotate your entire goofy thesis
to another Mid-Atlantic island chain, and i don't really think you
could handle that.
SL
<laparanoia@gmail.com> wrote:
Geology indicates that there has been a direct tectonic connection
between Europe and Africa across the zones of Gibraltar and Rif on the
one hand, and Calabria and Sicily on the other, at least since the end
of the Paleozoic, contradicting plate-tectonic claims of significant
displacement between Europe and Africa during this period.
By 6 million years ago, Spain and Africa collided, raising a mountain
barrier and sealing off the western end of the Mediterranean. River
inflow is not enough to maintain the level of the Mediterranean, which
dries out.
True. The Mediterranean was once a lush valley. Pan-cultural
flood myths may well come from the oral tradition of the opening
of the Straits of Gibraltar, and resulting flooding. We know that
there were elephants in the Mediterranean Basin, since dwarf
elephant remains have been found in the remaining above-sea
lands, in Malta, Sicily, Corsica, etc. Diminshed resources brought
about insular dwarfism, and the remainder were hunted to extinction
when homo sapiens recolonized these islands at the end of the
most recent Ice Age.
It is widely believed that H. erectus originally migrated from Africa
during the Early Pleistocene, around 2.0 million years ago, and
dispersed throughout most of the Old World, reaching as far as
Southeast Asia.
Your timing is a bit off. Homonids did reach across Eurasia from
1.8 to 1.0 mya, but a global cataclysm (volcanic winter) reduced
the homonid population drastically. In fact, mankind's kinsfolk
were reduced to a few thousand individuals at most, some H Erectus
in Africa and some H Neanderthalensis in Europe. It is from the
African stock of H Erectus that all modern humans are descended,
and as a matter of fact, we are all the descendants of one particular
woman who lived about 80,000 years ago.
But there were already another race of H. erectus habitating Europe. In
fact they were lost ancestors, that got separated when both continents
ripped apart. The Gibraltar Strait was now open and they couldn't migrate
South to Africa like they undoubtedly used to do when both continents
wre connected.
Neanderthals were not the ancestors of H Erectus. The opposite
is the truth. In Europe, Erectus evolved into H Neanderthalensis
and H Heidelbergensis. In the Caucasus, Erectus evolved into
H Sapiens. In East Asia, Erectus evolved into Sinanthropus, H
Floresiensis, Aboriginal Australians, et cetera.
They were Neanderthals, and they had evolved adapting to the rough
environment. And so, they started to grow hair to fend off the cold,
and adapted to bush or jungle conditions, hence his shorter average
height.
That conclusion does not follow the preamble. "Bush or
jungle conditions" do not select for short height. The
Neanderthal "stocky" build is a classic example of selection
for a cooler climate, not the amount of ambient vegetation.
Shorter bipeds have a smaller ratio of surface area to
volume. Thus, it is easier to maintain a constant internal
temperature in a cool climate, if you are shorter.
Cro-Magnon evolved on open plains, hence his tallness, his
long-sightness, and right-handness.
No need for hair either, when living in warm climates.
Not true. The term "cro-magnon" is no longer used in
real science. It used to refer to the earliest European
examples of H Sapiens, but today we just say "Homo
Sapiens" because we now classify homonids by physical
features, rather than place of discovery.
As H Sapiens, "cro-magnon" arose in the quite-hilly
Southwest corner of Asia, not on "open plains."
And, of course, claiming that "open plains" select for
right-handedness is just plain goofy. Are you really that
goofy, or are you just parroting back the goofy things
that goofy people tell you?
A vey large portion of the Neanderthal population perished in
Poseidonis, an island about the size of Ireland, situated in the
Atlantic Ocean opposite the strait of Gibraltar, that sank in a major
cataclysm in 9565 BC.
What? You really are a freaking goofy twit, aren't you?
Neanderthals in Atlantis? What an idiot! 9565 BC? Hah!
Geologist Christian O'Brien believes that Poseidonis was a large
mid-Atlantic ridge island centred on the Azores, that had originally
measured 720 km across from east to west, and 480 km from north to
south, with high mountain ranges rising over 3660 metres above sea
level. Before or during its submergence, it tilted by about 0.4° with
the result that the south coast sank about 3355 metres but the north
coast only some 1830 metres. Only the mountain peaks remained above the
waters, and now form the ten islands of the Azores. O'Brien thinks the
island could have sunk within a period of a few years or even months,
and points out that six areas of hot spring fields (associated with
volcanic disturbances) are known in the mid-Atlantic ridge area, and
four of them lie in the Kane-Atlantis area close to the Azores.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/sunken.htm
Oh, my, god. Your "source" is a webpage that opens with
a quote from "H.P. Blavatsky" ?? Are you kidding me?
For those who don't know, this is Helena Petrovna Blavatsky,
a well-known nutjob and co-founder of "theosophy", a nutty
attempt to weld all the world's religions into a contraption
with her spiritualist psychic mumbo jumbo as the glue.
Blavatsky is sometimes called the founder of New Age
mysticism. But she was also a hard-core racist, who
frequently disparaged the "semitic" race and exalted the
"natural superiority" of the "aryan" race. She once referred
to aboriginal Australians as "semi-animal creatures."
Your "Poseidonis" is classic crackpot Blavatsky crap, as
a pseudonym for Atlantis. Blavatsky believed that Atlanteans
were the Fifth Race, the ancestors of today's humans (except
for Aussie aboriginals, apparently!) According to her jackass
theories, "aryans" were most closely related to Atlantis, with
the jews and other "semites" far down the list.
In case anyone reading this is still undecided about Blavatsky,
please recall that she was a crony of the Father of Modern
Satanism, Aleister Crowley. And her ideas were a big help
to Adolph Hitler when he sought a philosophical underpinning
for his tragic escapades.
Anyway, look at "figure 10" on this webpage. There is no
suboceanic plateau comparable to Ireland under the Azores.
At most, the Azores sit on a ridge 1/5 the size of Ireland's,
and no evidence suggests that it was ever any bigger.
Rather than Atlantis being tectonically subducted, upwellings
of magma along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge are continually
creating new landmass.
Sorry, dude, but science continues to slap your goofy ideas down.
The rest of the European Neanderthals were wiped out in a relatively
short period of time. They vanished at exactly the same time that
Cro-Magnon started to colonize Europe, bringing along lethal sexual
transmitted diseases.
OK, your continued use of the term "cro-magnon" points out
the fact that you are unfamiliar with modern anthropology.
Claiming that the "clap" killed off the Neanderthals is like
advertising your ignorance of modern epidemiology.
Citing Atlantis myths and Blavatsky's theosophical crapola
shows me that the "sources" for your goofy theories have
roots in ideas which were already considered 'pseudoscience'
a century ago.
It's a free country, so you're free to be an idiot. But what is
NOT OK is using pseudoscience to bolster racist ideas which
have been steadily dissolved by Actual Science in the 100
years since they were proposed by charlatans and hatemongers.
Anybody ever tell you that you're an idiot? I can't be the first!
But the last ones that could interbred with the new-comers did pass on
their genes and produced hybrids that are today's Iberians.
There is one skeleton discovered in "Iberia" which has shown
an intriguing blend of H Neanderthalensis and H Sapiens traits.
But you fail to notice that today's Iberians and today's Britons
show ZERO of the classic physical traits of H Neanderthalensis.
On the contrary, the physical traits of *all* living humans are
classic Sapiens.
Real science is waking up to the fact that Neanderthals probably
did interbreed with H Sapiens, as would be expected. No matter
what the mechanism was for population replacement in Europe,
either warfare or attrition, Neanderthals did not pass on mtDNA
to modern European humans.
Sorry, but your premise falls flat on its face due to the utter
lack of scientific evidence.
And British...
People of Celtic ancestry were thought to have descended from tribes of
central Europe. Professor Sykes, who is soon to publish the first DNA
map of the British Isles, said: "About 6,000 years ago Iberians
developed ocean-going boats that enabled them to push up the Channel.
Before they arrived, there were some human inhabitants of Britain but
only a few thousand in number. These people were later subsumed into a
larger Celtic tribe... The majority of people in the British Isles are
actually descended from the Spanish."
Poppycock, and you take it out of context to boot, ya idiot.
Furthermore, Sykes will be the first to punk-slap you in
the back of your tiny head, to remind you that ZERO
Neanderthal mtDNA has been discovered in living humans.
There was no "Spanish" population 6,000 years ago. What
we know as "Spanish" is a result of Celts invading Iberia to
replace earlier H Sapiens inhabitants, then Carthaginians
invading, then the Romans, then the Moors.
Celtiberians who traveled to Britain in prehistory may have
replaced indigenous tribes, but it is just as likely that Celts
from Gaul were the secondary infusion of H Sapiens into
the isles, after the primary infusion of H Sapiens into Britain
much earlier.
Bryan Sykes is the first to point out that his work destroys
any pseudoscientific basis for racism. Yet in this message
you reference the Atlantis ideas of Blavatsky, a hard-core racist.
What kind of idiot are you? Did you think that nobody would
call you on that? Or are you just a dupe, spewing back the
sewage-science some charlatan fooled you with years before?
If you look at History, you'll see that both countries, Spain and
Britain, have conquered about every corner of the world. Many would
argue that this is a symbol of lack of humanity, but the truth is that
500 years ago any country would have tried to expand their borders and
only the ones with available military force could do it. It happens
even in today's civilized world.
So what? In land-mass, the Mongol empire was history's largest.
In total area, Japan's conquests in the 1940's reached the
farthest. 600 years ago, China had the widest-ranging trade
networks. 1600 years ago, Rome's empire was the most
advanced, but Britain and Spain were mere hinterlands of
that empire.
Although the main objective clearly was looting, both countries also
made an effort to export their beliefs to the conquered territories,
Spain in the form of religion, and Britain as cultural assets.
If two small nations like Spain and Britain had agreed to join their
forces, they will now control Planet Earth.
Instead they chose to fight each other.
Typically Neandertalish.
Typically idiot. The single website you mention as "proof"
is a hodge-podge of former theories already disproven and
semi-mystical rantings by various well-known nutjobs. The
part about Poseidonis is the work of Christian O'Brien, from
the book "The Shining Ones" and the "Survey Of Atlantis".
Yeah, it's published by the less-than-reputable Dianthus
Publishing of Cirencester, UK, who apparently can't even
scrape together ten quid for a website.
Unfortunately, your website also sprinkles a few accepted
geological facts into the stew, to fool the idiots who are
just barely smart enough to raise an eyebrow (but who
are lazy enough to not follow up their initial concerns
by reading an actual book.)
You lifted a paragraph full of numbers and tilt degrees from
the website wholesale, but you neglected to "copy-paste"
the first line of the paragraph, which reads:
"According to modern theosophy, "
And you failed to "copy-paste" the last line of the paragraph:
"Further surveys and core samples are required to test O'Brien's hypothesis."
In other words, this is based on racist ideology, and Real
Science has somehow failed to agree. Hah!
You jackass, read a friggin' science book now and then.
Try this compact explanation of Christian O'Brien's "work"...
http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/inter ... datlan.htm
Where Andrew Collins says this:
"These are fascinating insights into the protohistory of the Azores
group. Yet there are fundamental problems in accepting the theory of a
former Azorean landmass. It is now known, for instance, that the
volcanic mountains which constitute the Mid-Atlantic Ridge are of
relatively recent composition. They are like age-old geological scars
on a gaping wound that never properly heals. The north-south
orientated tectonic plates produce an upward flow of magma which
constantly creates new underwater mountain systems that are unlikely
to have formed part of a geological landmass in the manner described.
In addition to these problems, we must also acknowledge that there is
now wide-scale acceptance of the so-called continental drift theory,
first proposed in 1915 by the German meteorologist Arthur Wegener. In
simple terms, this asserts that many millions of years ago the
American and African landmasses were joined together, yet ever since
they have been slowly moving apart. Just by making paper cutouts of
the different continents and slotting them together we can see they
fit snugly, suggesting that the continental drift theory is real.
Furthermore, the fact that the American and African continents were
once joined together explains much of the flora and fauna they share.
More damning is the fact that when the first Portuguese navigators
reached the Azorean islands in 1427, they found them devoid not only
of human life but also of any fauna. Even though some evidence has
emerged to imply that in the third century BC Carthaginian vessels
from North Africa reached Corvo, the westernmost of the Azorean
islands, no archaeology has come to light to suggest that the
archipelago ever supported an indigenous culture.
Even if the O'Briens' proposals regarding prehistoric river beds,
located off the coast of São Miguel, do prove to be correct it seems
unlikely that Plato's Atlantis is the memory of a high culture which
once thrived on any proposed Azorean landmass. No evidence of an
indigenous culture has ever come to light on any of the islands and
there is no reason to assume that Plato's Atlantis account alludes to
a landmass of this sort. Even though he did state that Atlantis was
the size of Libya (North Africa) and Asia combined, it can be argued
that this did not relate to the physical size of the island but to the
extent of the dominion held by the kings of Atlantis. This can be
determined from the Critias, where Plato refers specifically to a much
smaller, east-west orientated landmass that cannot have been any more
than 600 kilometres in width (see the entry for the Americas). I'm
afraid we shall have to look elsewhere for the true location of lost
Atlantis."
So there you have it... even other "atlantis researchers" dispute
O'Brien's nutty claims. And it is true, what Collins says:
"No evidence of an indigenous culture has ever come to light on
any of the [Azores] islands "
Of course, there are some interesting petroglyphs on the Canary
Islands, but that would force you to rotate your entire goofy thesis
to another Mid-Atlantic island chain, and i don't really think you
could handle that.
SL
-
Gjest
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
The Spanish Paranoia wrote:
Neanderthal DNA illuminates split with humans
* 13:34 11 October 2006
The first comparison of human and Neanderthal DNA shows that the two
lineages diverged about 400,000 years ago and that Neanderthals may
have had more DNA in common with chimps than with modern humans.
There is ongoing debate over whether the Neanderthals were a separate
species, Homo neanderthalensis, or a subspecies of Homo sapiens. The
first Neanderthals are thought to have emerged about 350,000 years ago,
so the new findings from this DNA analysis strongly favour the theory
that modern humans and Neanderthals share a common ancestor but are not
more closely related than that.
Genetic analysis of Neanderthals is very tricky because mere fragments
of nuclear DNA have been recoverable from fossils. Previous analyses
have focused on mitochondrial DNA samples, which survive better.
James Noonan at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California,
US, and colleagues compared human, chimpanzee and Neanderthal nuclear
DNA samples. The newly compiled DNA dataset was derived from the
remains of a 45,000-year-old Neanderthal fossil.
promise to reveal more about the genetic basis of differences between
humans and Neanderthals - differences that presumably resulted in the
success of modern humans as a species - the researchers say.
"This is a hint of exciting things to come as more Neanderthal
sequence is produced," says David Haussler at the University of
California, Santa Cruz, US.
The researchers say the findings strengthen the argument that
Neanderthals did not contribute substantially to the modern human
genome. "Were there Neanderthals in our lineage? All of the genetics
seems to be going in the direction that there weren't," says
Richard Potts, head of the Smithsonian Institution's Human Origins
Program in Washington DC, US.
Noonan will present the findings at the American Society of Human
Genetics conference in New Orleans, US, this week.
Neanderthal DNA illuminates split with humans
* 13:34 11 October 2006
The first comparison of human and Neanderthal DNA shows that the two
lineages diverged about 400,000 years ago and that Neanderthals may
have had more DNA in common with chimps than with modern humans.
There is ongoing debate over whether the Neanderthals were a separate
species, Homo neanderthalensis, or a subspecies of Homo sapiens. The
first Neanderthals are thought to have emerged about 350,000 years ago,
so the new findings from this DNA analysis strongly favour the theory
that modern humans and Neanderthals share a common ancestor but are not
more closely related than that.
Genetic analysis of Neanderthals is very tricky because mere fragments
of nuclear DNA have been recoverable from fossils. Previous analyses
have focused on mitochondrial DNA samples, which survive better.
James Noonan at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California,
US, and colleagues compared human, chimpanzee and Neanderthal nuclear
DNA samples. The newly compiled DNA dataset was derived from the
remains of a 45,000-year-old Neanderthal fossil.
From the enriched dataset, the researchers calculated that humans and
Neanderthals diverged approximately 400,000 years ago. And the new data
promise to reveal more about the genetic basis of differences between
humans and Neanderthals - differences that presumably resulted in the
success of modern humans as a species - the researchers say.
"This is a hint of exciting things to come as more Neanderthal
sequence is produced," says David Haussler at the University of
California, Santa Cruz, US.
The researchers say the findings strengthen the argument that
Neanderthals did not contribute substantially to the modern human
genome. "Were there Neanderthals in our lineage? All of the genetics
seems to be going in the direction that there weren't," says
Richard Potts, head of the Smithsonian Institution's Human Origins
Program in Washington DC, US.
Noonan will present the findings at the American Society of Human
Genetics conference in New Orleans, US, this week.
-
Andrew Chaplin
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
"dwilcox" <dwilcox@lightage.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:453C747C.C45B1723@lightage.demon.co.uk...
Thank you. Many readers appreciate it when posters make it easier to follow
the argument.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
news:453C747C.C45B1723@lightage.demon.co.uk...
William Black wrote:
"RafaMinu" <rafaminu@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161551263.658437.196650@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
So, what`s the correct way to post then, at usenet?
Wikipedia tells me that:
When a message is replied to in e-mail, Internet forums, and Usenet the
original can often be included, or "quoted", in a variety of different
ways.
The main options are "top-posting" - replying above the original
message; "bottom-posting" - replying below; or "interleaved posting".
While each online community differs on which styles are appropriate or
acceptable, within any community the use of the "wrong" method risks
being seen as a major breach of netiquette, and likely to provoke
vehement response from community regulars.
Bottom posting or inserting your text at the appropriate point is usually
seen as the correct way to post.
Despite what Wikipedia says (and what they say does rather tend to be wrong
in detail almost all the time these days) there's an RFC around somewhere
that says you shouldn't top post.
Please try not to.
OK I'll try not to...
Thank you. Many readers appreciate it when posters make it easier to follow
the argument.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
-
Martin
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
<jacklinthicum@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1161602276.709002.37770@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Absolute nonsense - their descendents and/or throwbacks have haunted the public
bars of many local taverns and do so to this day! They still breed copiously it
seems, and have no more died out than rats or rabbits....
news:1161602276.709002.37770@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The Spanish Paranoia wrote:
Neanderthal DNA illuminates split with humans
* 13:34 11 October 2006
The first comparison of human and Neanderthal DNA shows that the two
lineages diverged about 400,000 years ago and that Neanderthals may
have had more DNA in common with chimps than with modern humans.
There is ongoing debate over whether the Neanderthals were a separate
species, Homo neanderthalensis, or a subspecies of Homo sapiens. The
first Neanderthals are thought to have emerged about 350,000 years ago,
so the new findings from this DNA analysis strongly favour the theory
that modern humans and Neanderthals share a common ancestor but are not
more closely related than that.
Genetic analysis of Neanderthals is very tricky because mere fragments
of nuclear DNA have been recoverable from fossils. Previous analyses
have focused on mitochondrial DNA samples, which survive better.
James Noonan at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California,
US, and colleagues compared human, chimpanzee and Neanderthal nuclear
DNA samples. The newly compiled DNA dataset was derived from the
remains of a 45,000-year-old Neanderthal fossil.
From the enriched dataset, the researchers calculated that humans and
Neanderthals diverged approximately 400,000 years ago. And the new data
promise to reveal more about the genetic basis of differences between
humans and Neanderthals - differences that presumably resulted in the
success of modern humans as a species - the researchers say.
"This is a hint of exciting things to come as more Neanderthal
sequence is produced," says David Haussler at the University of
California, Santa Cruz, US.
The researchers say the findings strengthen the argument that
Neanderthals did not contribute substantially to the modern human
genome. "Were there Neanderthals in our lineage? All of the genetics
seems to be going in the direction that there weren't," says
Richard Potts, head of the Smithsonian Institution's Human Origins
Program in Washington DC, US.
Noonan will present the findings at the American Society of Human
Genetics conference in New Orleans, US, this week.
Absolute nonsense - their descendents and/or throwbacks have haunted the public
bars of many local taverns and do so to this day! They still breed copiously it
seems, and have no more died out than rats or rabbits....
-
Gjest
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
Martin wrote:
and newsgroups
jacklinthicum@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1161602276.709002.37770@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The Spanish Paranoia wrote:
Neanderthal DNA illuminates split with humans
* 13:34 11 October 2006
The first comparison of human and Neanderthal DNA shows that the two
lineages diverged about 400,000 years ago and that Neanderthals may
have had more DNA in common with chimps than with modern humans.
There is ongoing debate over whether the Neanderthals were a separate
species, Homo neanderthalensis, or a subspecies of Homo sapiens. The
first Neanderthals are thought to have emerged about 350,000 years ago,
so the new findings from this DNA analysis strongly favour the theory
that modern humans and Neanderthals share a common ancestor but are not
more closely related than that.
Genetic analysis of Neanderthals is very tricky because mere fragments
of nuclear DNA have been recoverable from fossils. Previous analyses
have focused on mitochondrial DNA samples, which survive better.
James Noonan at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California,
US, and colleagues compared human, chimpanzee and Neanderthal nuclear
DNA samples. The newly compiled DNA dataset was derived from the
remains of a 45,000-year-old Neanderthal fossil.
From the enriched dataset, the researchers calculated that humans and
Neanderthals diverged approximately 400,000 years ago. And the new data
promise to reveal more about the genetic basis of differences between
humans and Neanderthals - differences that presumably resulted in the
success of modern humans as a species - the researchers say.
"This is a hint of exciting things to come as more Neanderthal
sequence is produced," says David Haussler at the University of
California, Santa Cruz, US.
The researchers say the findings strengthen the argument that
Neanderthals did not contribute substantially to the modern human
genome. "Were there Neanderthals in our lineage? All of the genetics
seems to be going in the direction that there weren't," says
Richard Potts, head of the Smithsonian Institution's Human Origins
Program in Washington DC, US.
Noonan will present the findings at the American Society of Human
Genetics conference in New Orleans, US, this week.
Absolute nonsense - their descendents and/or throwbacks have haunted the public
bars of many local taverns and do so to this day!
and newsgroups
-
erilar
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
In article <1161709049.816027.161820@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
jacklinthicum@earthlink.net wrote:
ESPECIALLY newsgroups!
--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar),
philologist, biblioholic medievalist
http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo
jacklinthicum@earthlink.net wrote:
Martin wrote:
Absolute nonsense - their descendents and/or throwbacks have haunted the
public
bars of many local taverns and do so to this day!
and newsgroups
ESPECIALLY newsgroups!
--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar),
philologist, biblioholic medievalist
http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo
-
Peter Jason
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
"erilar" <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote
in message
news:drache-ABC9C0.15151924102006@news.airstreamcomm.net...
Amen!
in message
news:drache-ABC9C0.15151924102006@news.airstreamcomm.net...
In article
1161709049.816027.161820@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
jacklinthicum@earthlink.net wrote:
Martin wrote:
Absolute nonsense - their descendents
and/or throwbacks have haunted the
public
bars of many local taverns and do so to
this day!
and newsgroups
ESPECIALLY newsgroups!
--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar),
philologist, biblioholic medievalist
http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo
Amen!
-
Gjest
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
Martin wrote:
Absolute nonsense - their descendents and/or throwbacks have haunted the
public
bars of many local taverns and do so to this day!
and newsgroups
and Mary wrote:
ESPECIALLY newsgroups!
LOL -- ROTFLMAO!!!
Weaver
-
Banish Banality
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
Tripple Ammen.
Peter Jason wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:
"erilar" <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote
in message
news:drache-ABC9C0.15151924102006@news.airstreamcomm.net...
In article
1161709049.816027.161820@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
jacklinthicum@earthlink.net wrote:
Martin wrote:
Absolute nonsense - their descendents
and/or throwbacks have haunted the
public
bars of many local taverns and do so to
this day!
and newsgroups
ESPECIALLY newsgroups!
--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar),
philologist, biblioholic medievalist
http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo
Amen!
-
Peter Jason
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
The possibility that Neanderthals haunt this
newsgroup is hideous!
According to the following there're almost as
bad as CHIMPS!
http://calvin.linfield.edu/~mrobert/ori ... ure16.html
For their awful appearance see below:
http://www.indiana.edu/~origins/teach/p ... ander.html
Does this remind you of anybody here??
http://www.yowusa.com/humanity/2001/hum ... age001.gif
Clearly these throwbacks were all bitter &
twisted!!
http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/Human ... mage71.gif
And very CLEVER at disguise.! Who knows how
many lurk here incognito!
http://www.omniology.com/NeanderRecons.html
Indeed these missing links were first noticed
at Neander Germany - a not-suprising fact!
http://tecfa.unige.ch/themes/FAQ-FL/ret ... touche.jpg
Here's a couple getting stuck into Bambi's
mum - which says a LOT about certain people!
http://www.sulinet.hu/eletestudomany/ar ... /901-5.jpg
Now we know where Lufthansa recruits its
flight attendants!
http://unquietmind.com/tburger/tb110-119/neander.jpg
Perhaps a DNA test is required for all
denizens of this NG - and pretty quick too!
"Banish Banality" <hoimit@ai5.net> wrote in
message news:4541AB02.F3EF05D5@ai5.net...
newsgroup is hideous!
According to the following there're almost as
bad as CHIMPS!
http://calvin.linfield.edu/~mrobert/ori ... ure16.html
For their awful appearance see below:
http://www.indiana.edu/~origins/teach/p ... ander.html
Does this remind you of anybody here??
http://www.yowusa.com/humanity/2001/hum ... age001.gif
Clearly these throwbacks were all bitter &
twisted!!
http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/Human ... mage71.gif
And very CLEVER at disguise.! Who knows how
many lurk here incognito!
http://www.omniology.com/NeanderRecons.html
Indeed these missing links were first noticed
at Neander Germany - a not-suprising fact!
http://tecfa.unige.ch/themes/FAQ-FL/ret ... touche.jpg
Here's a couple getting stuck into Bambi's
mum - which says a LOT about certain people!
http://www.sulinet.hu/eletestudomany/ar ... /901-5.jpg
Now we know where Lufthansa recruits its
flight attendants!
http://unquietmind.com/tburger/tb110-119/neander.jpg
Perhaps a DNA test is required for all
denizens of this NG - and pretty quick too!
"Banish Banality" <hoimit@ai5.net> wrote in
message news:4541AB02.F3EF05D5@ai5.net...
Tripple Ammen.
Peter Jason wrote:
"erilar" <drache@chibardun.net.invalid
wrote
in message
news:drache-ABC9C0.15151924102006@news.airstreamcomm.net...
In article
1161709049.816027.161820@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
jacklinthicum@earthlink.net wrote:
Martin wrote:
Absolute nonsense - their descendents
and/or throwbacks have haunted the
public
bars of many local taverns and do so
to
this day!
and newsgroups
ESPECIALLY newsgroups!
--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar),
philologist, biblioholic medievalist
http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo
Amen!
-
The Spanish Paranoia
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
You're talkung absolute nonsense.
Here you can see the reconstructed face of a Neanderthal child:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7607 ... rchild.jpg
Reconstructing the face of a Neanderthal child:
http://www.ifi.unizh.ch/staff/zolli/CAP/Gib2.htm
Cute, eh?
Much better looking than yourself, most likely...
Peter Jason wrote:
Here you can see the reconstructed face of a Neanderthal child:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7607 ... rchild.jpg
Reconstructing the face of a Neanderthal child:
http://www.ifi.unizh.ch/staff/zolli/CAP/Gib2.htm
Cute, eh?
Much better looking than yourself, most likely...
Peter Jason wrote:
The possibility that Neanderthals haunt this
newsgroup is hideous!
According to the following there're almost as
bad as CHIMPS!
http://calvin.linfield.edu/~mrobert/ori ... ure16.html
For their awful appearance see below:
http://www.indiana.edu/~origins/teach/p ... ander.html
Does this remind you of anybody here??
http://www.yowusa.com/humanity/2001/hum ... age001.gif
Clearly these throwbacks were all bitter &
twisted!!
http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/Human ... mage71.gif
And very CLEVER at disguise.! Who knows how
many lurk here incognito!
http://www.omniology.com/NeanderRecons.html
Indeed these missing links were first noticed
at Neander Germany - a not-suprising fact!
http://tecfa.unige.ch/themes/FAQ-FL/ret ... touche.jpg
Here's a couple getting stuck into Bambi's
mum - which says a LOT about certain people!
http://www.sulinet.hu/eletestudomany/ar ... /901-5.jpg
Now we know where Lufthansa recruits its
flight attendants!
http://unquietmind.com/tburger/tb110-119/neander.jpg
Perhaps a DNA test is required for all
denizens of this NG - and pretty quick too!
"Banish Banality" <hoimit@ai5.net> wrote in
message news:4541AB02.F3EF05D5@ai5.net...
Tripple Ammen.
Peter Jason wrote:
"erilar" <drache@chibardun.net.invalid
wrote
in message
news:drache-ABC9C0.15151924102006@news.airstreamcomm.net...
In article
1161709049.816027.161820@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
jacklinthicum@earthlink.net wrote:
Martin wrote:
Absolute nonsense - their descendents
and/or throwbacks have haunted the
public
bars of many local taverns and do so
to
this day!
and newsgroups
ESPECIALLY newsgroups!
--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar),
philologist, biblioholic medievalist
http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo
Amen!
-
Julian Richards
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:03:41 +1000, "Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com.au>
wrote:
From what I have read here over the last few days, there are those
here who can merely aspire to the level of Neanderthals.
--
Julian Richards
http://www.richardsuk.f9.co.uk
Website of "Robot Wars" middleweight "Broadsword IV"
THIS MESSAGE WAS POSTED FROM SOC.HISTORY.MEDIEVAL
wrote:
The possibility that Neanderthals haunt this
newsgroup is hideous!
From what I have read here over the last few days, there are those
here who can merely aspire to the level of Neanderthals.
--
Julian Richards
http://www.richardsuk.f9.co.uk
Website of "Robot Wars" middleweight "Broadsword IV"
THIS MESSAGE WAS POSTED FROM SOC.HISTORY.MEDIEVAL
-
The Spanish Paranoia
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
NEANDERTHAL RULES ...
Julian Richards wrote:
Julian Richards wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:03:41 +1000, "Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com.au
wrote:
The possibility that Neanderthals haunt this
newsgroup is hideous!
From what I have read here over the last few days, there are those
here who can merely aspire to the level of Neanderthals.
--
Julian Richards
http://www.richardsuk.f9.co.uk
Website of "Robot Wars" middleweight "Broadsword IV"
THIS MESSAGE WAS POSTED FROM SOC.HISTORY.MEDIEVAL
-
Bryn
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
In message <1162052094.336940.271630@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, The
Spanish Paranoia <laparanoia@gmail.com> writes
Is that anything like Australian rules?
How does Arnie feel about this?
--
Bryn
It's frustrating when you know all the answers, but
nobody bothers asking you the questions.
Spanish Paranoia <laparanoia@gmail.com> writes
NEANDERTHAL RULES ...
Is that anything like Australian rules?
How does Arnie feel about this?
Julian Richards wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:03:41 +1000, "Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com.au
wrote:
The possibility that Neanderthals haunt this
newsgroup is hideous!
From what I have read here over the last few days, there are those
here who can merely aspire to the level of Neanderthals.
--
Julian Richards
http://www.richardsuk.f9.co.uk
Website of "Robot Wars" middleweight "Broadsword IV"
THIS MESSAGE WAS POSTED FROM SOC.HISTORY.MEDIEVAL
--
Bryn
It's frustrating when you know all the answers, but
nobody bothers asking you the questions.
-
RafaMinu
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
Bryn wrote:
They are more humane, more evolved, less simplistic..
Do you mean Swatchzeneger?
?
In message <1162052094.336940.271630@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, The
Spanish Paranoia <laparanoia@gmail.com> writes
NEANDERTHAL RULES ...
Is that anything like Australian rules?
Not quite so primitive...
They are more humane, more evolved, less simplistic..
How does Arnie feel about this?
Arnie? Who's Arnie?
Do you mean Swatchzeneger?
?
-
Peter Jason
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
I have to confess we are up to our armpits in
Neanderthals here, but so far they have been
confined to football fields where they put
their hairy fists to good use in punch-ups,
and their hairy feet to rule-trumping scrotum
kitting. Any footballer not so engaged can
be seen with their knuckles resting gently on
the ground. At the end of the match the
victors are rewarded with a live deer, which
they rend to bits with large canines and
razor-sharp incisors, and chew and swallow
the gory results with scant regard to table
manners. Of course the crowd goes
bananas.
"Bryn"
<Scotland-the-Brave@finhall.demon.co.uk>
wrote in message
news:FF$QKOBVa4QFFwve@finhall.demon.co.uk...
Neanderthals here, but so far they have been
confined to football fields where they put
their hairy fists to good use in punch-ups,
and their hairy feet to rule-trumping scrotum
kitting. Any footballer not so engaged can
be seen with their knuckles resting gently on
the ground. At the end of the match the
victors are rewarded with a live deer, which
they rend to bits with large canines and
razor-sharp incisors, and chew and swallow
the gory results with scant regard to table
manners. Of course the crowd goes
bananas.
"Bryn"
<Scotland-the-Brave@finhall.demon.co.uk>
wrote in message
news:FF$QKOBVa4QFFwve@finhall.demon.co.uk...
In message
1162052094.336940.271630@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
The Spanish Paranoia <laparanoia@gmail.com
writes
NEANDERTHAL RULES ...
Is that anything like Australian rules?
How does Arnie feel about this?
Julian Richards wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:03:41 +1000,
"Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com.au
wrote:
The possibility that Neanderthals haunt
this
newsgroup is hideous!
From what I have read here over the last
few days, there are those
here who can merely aspire to the level
of Neanderthals.
--
Julian Richards
http://www.richardsuk.f9.co.uk
Website of "Robot Wars" middleweight
"Broadsword IV"
THIS MESSAGE WAS POSTED FROM
SOC.HISTORY.MEDIEVAL
--
Bryn
It's frustrating when you know all the
answers, but
nobody bothers asking you the questions.
-
Kathy
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
In article <ei0q4d$1bsk$1@otis.netspace.net.au>, Peter Jason
<pj@jostle.com.au> writes
Is that a the Aussie version of knitting?
by spending it on the ugliest, most grasping woman they can find.
--
Kathy
<pj@jostle.com.au> writes
I have to confess we are up to our armpits in
Neanderthals here, but so far they have been
confined to football fields where they put
their hairy fists to good use in punch-ups,
and their hairy feet to rule-trumping scrotum
kitting.
^^^^^^^
Is that a the Aussie version of knitting?
Any footballer not so engaged can
be seen with their knuckles resting gently on
the ground. At the end of the match the
victors are rewarded with a live deer, which
they rend to bits with large canines and
razor-sharp incisors, and chew and swallow
the gory results with scant regard to table
manners. Of course the crowd goes
bananas.
Over here they get rewarded with obscene amounts of money and celebrate
by spending it on the ugliest, most grasping woman they can find.
--
Kathy
-
RafaMinu
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
Peter Jason wrote:
much tastier..
Besides deer only reproduces once a year and has only one bambi,
whereas wild pig can have 7 or more 2-3 times a year.
And a pig will eat you if he can, a deer wouldn't.
But I don't expect you to understand this elevated and reasonable
thinking neither to sympathize with this compassionate Neanderthal
feelings...
Only people out of touch with Goddess Nature is disgracefully ignorant
of these basic Facts of Life.
The crowd, that is you and your kind, are even worse..
Hypoconcrete...
I have to confess we are up to our armpits in
Neanderthals here, but so far they have been
confined to football fields where they put
their hairy fists to good use in punch-ups,
and their hairy feet to rule-trumping scrotum
kitting. Any footballer not so engaged can
be seen with their knuckles resting gently on
the ground. At the end of the match the
victors are rewarded with a live deer, which
Don't want to be thought off as picky but i'd rather have wild pig,
much tastier..
Besides deer only reproduces once a year and has only one bambi,
whereas wild pig can have 7 or more 2-3 times a year.
And a pig will eat you if he can, a deer wouldn't.
But I don't expect you to understand this elevated and reasonable
thinking neither to sympathize with this compassionate Neanderthal
feelings...
Only people out of touch with Goddess Nature is disgracefully ignorant
of these basic Facts of Life.
they rend to bits with large canines and
razor-sharp incisors, and chew and swallow
the gory results with scant regard to table
manners. Of course the crowd goes
bananas.
See?
The crowd, that is you and your kind, are even worse..
Hypoconcrete...
-
Peter Jason
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
"Kathy" <kathy@slipknotland.demon.co.uk>
wrote in message
news:Qkq8RhAXGIRFFwnY@knotland.demon.co.uk...
Well, in the good old days there was always a
World War to send them to.
Now its back to Bread & Circuses.
Modern day gladiators I suppose.
wrote in message
news:Qkq8RhAXGIRFFwnY@knotland.demon.co.uk...
In article
ei0q4d$1bsk$1@otis.netspace.net.au>, Peter
Jason <pj@jostle.com.au> writes
I have to confess we are up to our armpits
in
Neanderthals here, but so far they have
been
confined to football fields where they put
their hairy fists to good use in punch-ups,
and their hairy feet to rule-trumping
scrotum
kitting.
^^^^^^^
Is that a the Aussie version of knitting?
Any footballer not so engaged can
be seen with their knuckles resting gently
on
the ground. At the end of the match the
victors are rewarded with a live deer,
which
they rend to bits with large canines and
razor-sharp incisors, and chew and swallow
the gory results with scant regard to table
manners. Of course the crowd goes
bananas.
Over here they get rewarded with obscene
amounts of money and celebrate by spending
it on the ugliest, most grasping woman they
can find.
--
Kathy
Well, in the good old days there was always a
World War to send them to.
Now its back to Bread & Circuses.
Modern day gladiators I suppose.
-
Peter Jason
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
"RafaMinu" <rafaminu@gmail.com> wrote in
message
news:1162134656.352711.156240@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Does your forehead slope backwards?
Do your eyes have built-in awnings?
Are your fingernails hairy?
message
news:1162134656.352711.156240@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Peter Jason wrote:
I have to confess we are up to our armpits
in
Neanderthals here, but so far they have
been
confined to football fields where they put
their hairy fists to good use in
punch-ups,
and their hairy feet to rule-trumping
scrotum
kitting. Any footballer not so engaged
can
be seen with their knuckles resting gently
on
the ground. At the end of the match the
victors are rewarded with a live deer,
which
Don't want to be thought off as picky but
i'd rather have wild pig,
much tastier..
Besides deer only reproduces once a year
and has only one bambi,
whereas wild pig can have 7 or more 2-3
times a year.
And a pig will eat you if he can, a deer
wouldn't.
But I don't expect you to understand this
elevated and reasonable
thinking neither to sympathize with this
compassionate Neanderthal
feelings...
Only people out of touch with Goddess
Nature is disgracefully ignorant
of these basic Facts of Life.
they rend to bits with large canines and
razor-sharp incisors, and chew and swallow
the gory results with scant regard to
table
manners. Of course the crowd goes
bananas.
See?
The crowd, that is you and your kind, are
even worse..
Hypoconcrete...
Does your forehead slope backwards?
Do your eyes have built-in awnings?
Are your fingernails hairy?
-
RafaMinu
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
Peter Jason wrote:
cerbellum
Hair's function in our bodies is to protect us from cold.
That's why Homo Sapiens Neanderthalis did grow hair,
and Homo Sapiens Cromagnon did not.
If you move a bunch of Zulus to live in caves in Europe, they will
start growing hair after a few generations...
Does your forehead slope backwards?
It looks that way, but what really happens is that i have a larger
cerbellum
Do your eyes have built-in awnings?
Yes, very convenient in sunny places
Are your fingernails hairy?
Nope
Hair's function in our bodies is to protect us from cold.
That's why Homo Sapiens Neanderthalis did grow hair,
and Homo Sapiens Cromagnon did not.
If you move a bunch of Zulus to live in caves in Europe, they will
start growing hair after a few generations...
-
VtSkier
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
RafaMinu wrote:
Just curious,
What evidence is there that Neanderthal was
especially hairy.
See Inuit and others who are very well
adapted to cold and northern latitudes and see
if they are especially hairy.
Peter Jason wrote:
Does your forehead slope backwards?
It looks that way, but what really happens is that i have a larger
cerbellum
Do your eyes have built-in awnings?
Yes, very convenient in sunny places
Are your fingernails hairy?
Nope
Hair's function in our bodies is to protect us from cold.
That's why Homo Sapiens Neanderthalis did grow hair,
and Homo Sapiens Cromagnon did not.
If you move a bunch of Zulus to live in caves in Europe, they will
start growing hair after a few generations...
Just curious,
What evidence is there that Neanderthal was
especially hairy.
See Inuit and others who are very well
adapted to cold and northern latitudes and see
if they are especially hairy.
-
Gjest
Re: The Last of the Neanderthal
VtSkier wrote:
No evidence, including "soft parts" such as ears. But speculation on
such rampant. Sense that the DNA sequencing may reveal such data as
hair and eye color, some Internet gibbling about red hair being a
Neanderthal trait. IIRC the Inuits wear skin or fur, with the fur or
hair side in, which suggests that the Neanderthals may have done the
same.
http://images.google.com/images?q=neand ... s&ct=title
any of these people could have shown up at Woodstock and not been
considered unusual.
RafaMinu wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:
Does your forehead slope backwards?
It looks that way, but what really happens is that i have a larger
cerbellum
Do your eyes have built-in awnings?
Yes, very convenient in sunny places
Are your fingernails hairy?
Nope
Hair's function in our bodies is to protect us from cold.
That's why Homo Sapiens Neanderthalis did grow hair,
and Homo Sapiens Cromagnon did not.
If you move a bunch of Zulus to live in caves in Europe, they will
start growing hair after a few generations...
Just curious,
What evidence is there that Neanderthal was
especially hairy.
See Inuit and others who are very well
adapted to cold and northern latitudes and see
if they are especially hairy.
No evidence, including "soft parts" such as ears. But speculation on
such rampant. Sense that the DNA sequencing may reveal such data as
hair and eye color, some Internet gibbling about red hair being a
Neanderthal trait. IIRC the Inuits wear skin or fur, with the fur or
hair side in, which suggests that the Neanderthals may have done the
same.
http://images.google.com/images?q=neand ... s&ct=title
any of these people could have shown up at Woodstock and not been
considered unusual.