Wednesday, 11 October, 2006
Dear Michael, Jeff, Will, et al.,
The recent posts re: the Everinghams and Westborough, Lincs.
brough up a possible linkage to Margaret de Vaux, wife of Sir
Simon Leek(e). This has to do with Payling's statement that
Margaret's maritagium (and/or inheritance) included "lands over
the Lincs. border at Westborough, Dry Doddington, Stubton, and
Thorp."
The lands of Westborough, Doddington, Stubton and Parva
Thorp all involve a Domesday holding of one "Alselin", evidently
succeeded by Geoffrey 'Alselin' and his nephew Ralph. Their
heirs were the Everinghams of Laxton (via de Cauz and de Birkin)
and the Bardolfs of Wormegay and Shelford (via
Hanselyn/Halselin). These two families held moieties as
indicated by the excerpt given below [1]: the answer as to which
family the de Vaux of Cotham were connected may be found in an
IPM of the Leeke family.
Hope this is helpful.
Cheers,
John
NOTES
[1] Arnold Fitz-Thedmar, De antiquis legibus liber (London,
1846), p. cxxx, note " * " :
' The capital manor Westborough, in the hundred of Loveden,
parts of Kesteven, Lincolnshire, was held conjointly by Geoffrey
Alselin and Ralph his nephew at the Survey, and at that time the
parishes of Doddington, Claypool, and Stubton, adjoining the
parish of Westborough, were included in the soke of this manor.
In the reign of Henry the Third William Bardolf held in
Westborough, Dodington, Stubeton, and Parva Thorp, in chief of
the lord the King, the fiefs of two knights. The other moiety
was held by Robert de Everingham in demesne of the King in chief
of the fief of Caux. '
URL for the above:
http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC0 ... 130&lpg=PR
130&dq=stubton&ie=ISO-8859-1
de Vaux (and Leeke): a possible Bardolf or Everingham descen
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Gjest
Re: de Vaux (and Leeke): a possible Bardolf or Everingham de
Therav3@aol.com wrote:
Extremely - many thanks, John.
I note the same conjunction appears in a Patent Roll entry naming
William Bardolf, viz:
19 July 1254 at St Macaire: Charter granting to William Bardolf and his
heirs free warren in his demesne lands of... Rykyngton, Digeby,
Levesingham, Blokesham, Amewike, Totelaund, Branchewell, *Westburg,
Dodinton, Stobinton and Thorp*, Co Lincs, Seleford, Co Notts, Ekebroc &
Eleton, Co Derby etc"
MA-R
Wednesday, 11 October, 2006
Dear Michael, Jeff, Will, et al.,
The recent posts re: the Everinghams and Westborough, Lincs.
brough up a possible linkage to Margaret de Vaux, wife of Sir
Simon Leek(e). This has to do with Payling's statement that
Margaret's maritagium (and/or inheritance) included "lands over
the Lincs. border at Westborough, Dry Doddington, Stubton, and
Thorp."
The lands of Westborough, Doddington, Stubton and Parva
Thorp all involve a Domesday holding of one "Alselin", evidently
succeeded by Geoffrey 'Alselin' and his nephew Ralph. Their
heirs were the Everinghams of Laxton (via de Cauz and de Birkin)
and the Bardolfs of Wormegay and Shelford (via
Hanselyn/Halselin). These two families held moieties as
indicated by the excerpt given below [1]: the answer as to which
family the de Vaux of Cotham were connected may be found in an
IPM of the Leeke family.
Hope this is helpful.
Extremely - many thanks, John.
I note the same conjunction appears in a Patent Roll entry naming
William Bardolf, viz:
19 July 1254 at St Macaire: Charter granting to William Bardolf and his
heirs free warren in his demesne lands of... Rykyngton, Digeby,
Levesingham, Blokesham, Amewike, Totelaund, Branchewell, *Westburg,
Dodinton, Stobinton and Thorp*, Co Lincs, Seleford, Co Notts, Ekebroc &
Eleton, Co Derby etc"
MA-R
-
Gjest
Re: de Vaux (and Leeke): a possible Bardolf or Everingham de
Therav3@aol.com wrote:
Unfortunately there aren't any useful Leeke IPMs.
I note from the Patent Rolls that both the Everinghams and the
Bardolfs, who appear to be the joint heirs, were still in possession of
their moieties of Westborough in the late 14th century - i.e. after the
Leeks (via Vaux) had obtained their property there:
(1) 14.10.1389: "presentation of Ralph Repington to a moiety of the
church at Westburgh in the diocese of Lincoln, in the King's gift by
reason of his custody of the lands and heir of William de Bardolf,
tenant in chief"
(2) 215.9.1399: "pardon to Robert de Watirton and Joan his wife, and
John de Etton and Katherine his wife, of their trespass in entering
without licence and without seeking livery thereof upon the manor of
Laxton, Notts, and a moiety of the manor of Westburgh, Lincs, upon the
death of Reginald de Everingham, knight, tenant in chief by knight
service, the said Joan and Katherine being his kinswomen and heirs."
Perhaps the Vaux family held by subinfeudination? I don't suppose
something useful like VCH Lincs covers any of these places...
Regards, Michael
Wednesday, 11 October, 2006
Dear Michael, Jeff, Will, et al.,
The recent posts re: the Everinghams and Westborough, Lincs.
brough up a possible linkage to Margaret de Vaux, wife of Sir
Simon Leek(e). This has to do with Payling's statement that
Margaret's maritagium (and/or inheritance) included "lands over
the Lincs. border at Westborough, Dry Doddington, Stubton, and
Thorp."
The lands of Westborough, Doddington, Stubton and Parva
Thorp all involve a Domesday holding of one "Alselin", evidently
succeeded by Geoffrey 'Alselin' and his nephew Ralph. Their
heirs were the Everinghams of Laxton (via de Cauz and de Birkin)
and the Bardolfs of Wormegay and Shelford (via
Hanselyn/Halselin). These two families held moieties as
indicated by the excerpt given below [1]: the answer as to which
family the de Vaux of Cotham were connected may be found in an
IPM of the Leeke family.
Unfortunately there aren't any useful Leeke IPMs.
I note from the Patent Rolls that both the Everinghams and the
Bardolfs, who appear to be the joint heirs, were still in possession of
their moieties of Westborough in the late 14th century - i.e. after the
Leeks (via Vaux) had obtained their property there:
(1) 14.10.1389: "presentation of Ralph Repington to a moiety of the
church at Westburgh in the diocese of Lincoln, in the King's gift by
reason of his custody of the lands and heir of William de Bardolf,
tenant in chief"
(2) 215.9.1399: "pardon to Robert de Watirton and Joan his wife, and
John de Etton and Katherine his wife, of their trespass in entering
without licence and without seeking livery thereof upon the manor of
Laxton, Notts, and a moiety of the manor of Westburgh, Lincs, upon the
death of Reginald de Everingham, knight, tenant in chief by knight
service, the said Joan and Katherine being his kinswomen and heirs."
Perhaps the Vaux family held by subinfeudination? I don't suppose
something useful like VCH Lincs covers any of these places...
Regards, Michael
-
John P. Ravilious
Re: de Vaux (and Leeke): a possible Bardolf or Everingham de
Dear Michael,
Thanks for those rather rapid lookups. From the evidence you've
found, it does sound like the Leekes (and the de Vaux before them) were
not tenants in chief. The bad news is, we are not likely to find a
relevant IPM (at least as regards these Lincolnshire holdings); the
_possibly_ good news is, if an IPM does turn up re: some other Leeke
holding, there may be a reference as to the tenant-in-chief of whom
these lands were held.
Going by what I see on Chris Phillips' site
(medievalgenealogy.org.uk), there does not appear to be a relevant VCH
volume for Lincolnshire as yet. Hmmmmm.....
Cheers,
John
mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
Thanks for those rather rapid lookups. From the evidence you've
found, it does sound like the Leekes (and the de Vaux before them) were
not tenants in chief. The bad news is, we are not likely to find a
relevant IPM (at least as regards these Lincolnshire holdings); the
_possibly_ good news is, if an IPM does turn up re: some other Leeke
holding, there may be a reference as to the tenant-in-chief of whom
these lands were held.
Going by what I see on Chris Phillips' site
(medievalgenealogy.org.uk), there does not appear to be a relevant VCH
volume for Lincolnshire as yet. Hmmmmm.....
Cheers,
John
mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
Therav3@aol.com wrote:
Wednesday, 11 October, 2006
Dear Michael, Jeff, Will, et al.,
The recent posts re: the Everinghams and Westborough, Lincs.
brough up a possible linkage to Margaret de Vaux, wife of Sir
Simon Leek(e). This has to do with Payling's statement that
Margaret's maritagium (and/or inheritance) included "lands over
the Lincs. border at Westborough, Dry Doddington, Stubton, and
Thorp."
The lands of Westborough, Doddington, Stubton and Parva
Thorp all involve a Domesday holding of one "Alselin", evidently
succeeded by Geoffrey 'Alselin' and his nephew Ralph. Their
heirs were the Everinghams of Laxton (via de Cauz and de Birkin)
and the Bardolfs of Wormegay and Shelford (via
Hanselyn/Halselin). These two families held moieties as
indicated by the excerpt given below [1]: the answer as to which
family the de Vaux of Cotham were connected may be found in an
IPM of the Leeke family.
Unfortunately there aren't any useful Leeke IPMs.
I note from the Patent Rolls that both the Everinghams and the
Bardolfs, who appear to be the joint heirs, were still in possession of
their moieties of Westborough in the late 14th century - i.e. after the
Leeks (via Vaux) had obtained their property there:
(1) 14.10.1389: "presentation of Ralph Repington to a moiety of the
church at Westburgh in the diocese of Lincoln, in the King's gift by
reason of his custody of the lands and heir of William de Bardolf,
tenant in chief"
(2) 215.9.1399: "pardon to Robert de Watirton and Joan his wife, and
John de Etton and Katherine his wife, of their trespass in entering
without licence and without seeking livery thereof upon the manor of
Laxton, Notts, and a moiety of the manor of Westburgh, Lincs, upon the
death of Reginald de Everingham, knight, tenant in chief by knight
service, the said Joan and Katherine being his kinswomen and heirs."
Perhaps the Vaux family held by subinfeudination? I don't suppose
something useful like VCH Lincs covers any of these places...
Regards, Michael