Looking for Russian gateway (Ignatieff)
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Denis Beauregard
Looking for Russian gateway (Ignatieff)
One candidate for the leadership of the Liberal party of Canada (the
previous government party) is Michael Ignatieff.
According to an article in the Globe and Mail, he is the grand-son
of a Russian count. Is there any Internet ressource that would link
that count to medieval ancestry ?
From what I have found thus far, the grand-parents are:
count Paul IGNATIEFF (1870-1945), last minister of education under the
Czars and countess Natalie MESTCHERSKY.
Paul is the son of Nikolay Pavlovich IGNATYEV (1832-1908), Russian
Minister of the Interior under Tsar Alexander III of Russia.
He is the son of Captain Pavel Ignatiev. I presume he is the first
nobleman of that family and any medieval gateway would be through
Natasha or Natalia (whatever is the right name).
In wikipedia, there are many articles about this family, all linked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Ignatieff
(the father of Michael and son of Paul, immigrant to Canada)
This article tags his mother as Princess Natasha Mestchersky while
the index of Quebec deaths calls her Natalie.
Denis
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previous government party) is Michael Ignatieff.
According to an article in the Globe and Mail, he is the grand-son
of a Russian count. Is there any Internet ressource that would link
that count to medieval ancestry ?
From what I have found thus far, the grand-parents are:
count Paul IGNATIEFF (1870-1945), last minister of education under the
Czars and countess Natalie MESTCHERSKY.
Paul is the son of Nikolay Pavlovich IGNATYEV (1832-1908), Russian
Minister of the Interior under Tsar Alexander III of Russia.
He is the son of Captain Pavel Ignatiev. I presume he is the first
nobleman of that family and any medieval gateway would be through
Natasha or Natalia (whatever is the right name).
In wikipedia, there are many articles about this family, all linked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Ignatieff
(the father of Michael and son of Paul, immigrant to Canada)
This article tags his mother as Princess Natasha Mestchersky while
the index of Quebec deaths calls her Natalie.
Denis
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Gjest
Re: Looking for Russian gateway (Ignatieff)
Denis Beauregard schrieb:
That is probably METSCHERSKY (or in the case of a female,
Metscherskaya).
Natasha is the 'pet' form of Natalie - i.e. the same name.
One candidate for the leadership of the Liberal party of Canada (the
previous government party) is Michael Ignatieff.
According to an article in the Globe and Mail, he is the grand-son
of a Russian count. Is there any Internet ressource that would link
that count to medieval ancestry ?
From what I have found thus far, the grand-parents are:
count Paul IGNATIEFF (1870-1945), last minister of education under the
Czars and countess Natalie MESTCHERSKY.
That is probably METSCHERSKY (or in the case of a female,
Metscherskaya).
Natasha is the 'pet' form of Natalie - i.e. the same name.
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Gjest
Re: Looking for Russian gateway (Ignatieff)
m...@btinternet.com schrieb:
I take that back - it appears that the form "Mestchersky" was used. I
think she was a princess rather than a countess.
The Ignatieffs were descended from one of the daughters of Field
Marshal Prince Kutuzov - I have some notes on the ancestry of the
Prince's wife which I will try to dig out.
MA-R
Denis Beauregard schrieb:
One candidate for the leadership of the Liberal party of Canada (the
previous government party) is Michael Ignatieff.
According to an article in the Globe and Mail, he is the grand-son
of a Russian count. Is there any Internet ressource that would link
that count to medieval ancestry ?
From what I have found thus far, the grand-parents are:
count Paul IGNATIEFF (1870-1945), last minister of education under the
Czars and countess Natalie MESTCHERSKY.
That is probably METSCHERSKY (or in the case of a female,
Metscherskaya).
I take that back - it appears that the form "Mestchersky" was used. I
think she was a princess rather than a countess.
The Ignatieffs were descended from one of the daughters of Field
Marshal Prince Kutuzov - I have some notes on the ancestry of the
Prince's wife which I will try to dig out.
MA-R
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Denis Beauregard
Re: Looking for Russian gateway (Ignatieff)
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:04:28 +0000 (UTC),
Ernst-Axel.Hoffmann@t-online.de (Ernst Hoffmann) wrote in
soc.genealogy.medieval:
I don't have yet the reflex to check his web site first !
But I have some more dates like birth and death for those
who died in Quebec. It seems none of the family married in Quebec,
however, even if the parents and grand-parents are there.
Also, I found some more data about the family of Alison Grant, from
either wikipedia and http://www.biographi.ca , none being noble however.
If Ignatieff is chosen as the next leader of Liberal Party, I will
complete his tree since he has some roots in Quebec.
For now, I will see if I see something more on the Russian site. I
think there is one or two books about some Russian noble families
here.
Denis
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Ernst-Axel.Hoffmann@t-online.de (Ernst Hoffmann) wrote in
soc.genealogy.medieval:
You find Ignatieffs lineage on Leo'´s genealogics page <where else
would one look <sm
I don't have yet the reflex to check his web site first !
But I have some more dates like birth and death for those
who died in Quebec. It seems none of the family married in Quebec,
however, even if the parents and grand-parents are there.
Also, I found some more data about the family of Alison Grant, from
either wikipedia and http://www.biographi.ca , none being noble however.
If Ignatieff is chosen as the next leader of Liberal Party, I will
complete his tree since he has some roots in Quebec.
For now, I will see if I see something more on the Russian site. I
think there is one or two books about some Russian noble families
here.
Denis
--
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Ernst Hoffmann
Re: Looking for Russian gateway (Ignatieff)
You find Ignatieffs lineage on Leo'´s genealogics page <where else
would one look <sm>>
Ernst
Am 10.10.2006 um 23:08 schrieb mjcar@btinternet.com:
would one look <sm>>
Ernst
Am 10.10.2006 um 23:08 schrieb mjcar@btinternet.com:
m...@btinternet.com schrieb:
Denis Beauregard schrieb:
One candidate for the leadership of the Liberal party of Canada (the
previous government party) is Michael Ignatieff.
According to an article in the Globe and Mail, he is the grand-son
of a Russian count. Is there any Internet ressource that would link
that count to medieval ancestry ?
From what I have found thus far, the grand-parents are:
count Paul IGNATIEFF (1870-1945), last minister of education
under the
Czars and countess Natalie MESTCHERSKY.
That is probably METSCHERSKY (or in the case of a female,
Metscherskaya).
I take that back - it appears that the form "Mestchersky" was used. I
think she was a princess rather than a countess.
The Ignatieffs were descended from one of the daughters of Field
Marshal Prince Kutuzov - I have some notes on the ancestry of the
Prince's wife which I will try to dig out.
MA-R
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Denis Beauregard
Re: Looking for Russian gateway (Ignatieff)
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:36:23 -0400, Denis Beauregard
<denis.b-at-francogene.com@fr.invalid> wrote in
soc.genealogy.medieval:
A word to say I forwarded this data to Leo through the suggestion
box on his site.
Denis
<denis.b-at-francogene.com@fr.invalid> wrote in
soc.genealogy.medieval:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:04:28 +0000 (UTC),
Ernst-Axel.Hoffmann@t-online.de (Ernst Hoffmann) wrote in
soc.genealogy.medieval:
You find Ignatieffs lineage on Leo'´s genealogics page <where else
would one look <sm
But I have some more dates like birth and death for those
who died in Quebec. I
A word to say I forwarded this data to Leo through the suggestion
box on his site.
Denis
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Leo van de Pas
Re: Looking for Russian gateway (Ignatieff)
Dear Dennis,
Nikolay Pavlovich Ignatyev was married to Princess Ekaterina Galizitine
daughter of Prince Leonid Galitzine and Ann Mateievna Tolstoy.
I presume Prince Leonid to have lived from 1804-1871, son of Gregori
1779-1848, son of Serge 1749-1810 and so on.
Michael Ignatieff published a book in 1987 "The Russian Album" about his
family.
Hope this helps a little?
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Denis Beauregard" <denis.b-at-francogene.com@fr.invalid>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:16 AM
Subject: Looking for Russian gateway (Ignatieff)
Nikolay Pavlovich Ignatyev was married to Princess Ekaterina Galizitine
daughter of Prince Leonid Galitzine and Ann Mateievna Tolstoy.
I presume Prince Leonid to have lived from 1804-1871, son of Gregori
1779-1848, son of Serge 1749-1810 and so on.
Michael Ignatieff published a book in 1987 "The Russian Album" about his
family.
Hope this helps a little?
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Denis Beauregard" <denis.b-at-francogene.com@fr.invalid>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:16 AM
Subject: Looking for Russian gateway (Ignatieff)
One candidate for the leadership of the Liberal party of Canada (the
previous government party) is Michael Ignatieff.
According to an article in the Globe and Mail, he is the grand-son
of a Russian count. Is there any Internet ressource that would link
that count to medieval ancestry ?
From what I have found thus far, the grand-parents are:
count Paul IGNATIEFF (1870-1945), last minister of education under the
Czars and countess Natalie MESTCHERSKY.
Paul is the son of Nikolay Pavlovich IGNATYEV (1832-1908), Russian
Minister of the Interior under Tsar Alexander III of Russia.
He is the son of Captain Pavel Ignatiev. I presume he is the first
nobleman of that family and any medieval gateway would be through
Natasha or Natalia (whatever is the right name).
In wikipedia, there are many articles about this family, all linked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Ignatieff
(the father of Michael and son of Paul, immigrant to Canada)
This article tags his mother as Princess Natasha Mestchersky while
the index of Quebec deaths calls her Natalie.
Denis
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Gjest
Re: Looking for Russian gateway (Ignatieff)
Denis Beauregard wrote:
Here is one descent from mediaeval ancestors:
1. Gediminas, Grand Duke of Lithuania d 1341
2. Gleb, Prince of Pinsk etc
3. Alexander, Prince of Podolia
4. Patrikey, Prince of Zwenihorod
5. Yuri, married Anna of Moscow [of Rurikid descent]
6. Basil, d 1450
7. Ivan, d 1498
8. Prince Michael Bulgakov Galitsa, d 1554
9. Prince Yuri Galitsine
10. Prince Ivan, d 1582
11. Prince Andrew
12. Prince Andrew
13. Prince Alexis
14. Prince Boris
15. Prince Alexis
16. Prince Serge
17. Prince Nicholas
18. Prince Michael Galitsine, d 1827
19. Prince Leonid
20. Princess Catherine Galitsina, married Count Nicholas Ignatieff
21. Count Paul Ignatieff, d 1945
22. Count George Ignatieff
23. Michael Ignatieff - propositus
Further online details (usual caveats etc) may be found here:
http://genealogy.euweb.cz/russia/galitzin1.html
MA-R
One candidate for the leadership of the Liberal party of Canada (the
previous government party) is Michael Ignatieff.
According to an article in the Globe and Mail, he is the grand-son
of a Russian count. Is there any Internet ressource that would link
that count to medieval ancestry ?
Here is one descent from mediaeval ancestors:
1. Gediminas, Grand Duke of Lithuania d 1341
2. Gleb, Prince of Pinsk etc
3. Alexander, Prince of Podolia
4. Patrikey, Prince of Zwenihorod
5. Yuri, married Anna of Moscow [of Rurikid descent]
6. Basil, d 1450
7. Ivan, d 1498
8. Prince Michael Bulgakov Galitsa, d 1554
9. Prince Yuri Galitsine
10. Prince Ivan, d 1582
11. Prince Andrew
12. Prince Andrew
13. Prince Alexis
14. Prince Boris
15. Prince Alexis
16. Prince Serge
17. Prince Nicholas
18. Prince Michael Galitsine, d 1827
19. Prince Leonid
20. Princess Catherine Galitsina, married Count Nicholas Ignatieff
21. Count Paul Ignatieff, d 1945
22. Count George Ignatieff
23. Michael Ignatieff - propositus
Further online details (usual caveats etc) may be found here:
http://genealogy.euweb.cz/russia/galitzin1.html
MA-R
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Denis Beauregard
Re: Looking for Russian gateway (Ignatieff)
On 11 Oct 2006 01:54:24 -0700, mjcar@btinternet.com wrote in
soc.genealogy.medieval:
Thanks.
BTW, the only book about Russian ancestry I found at the SGCF library
in Montréal is a summary of the Romanov family but I know there is
one book about the Troubianev (sp?) and another about the kings of
Albania etc. both in another library. But it seems that I would
have quite limited data here about this family.
Denis
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soc.genealogy.medieval:
Denis Beauregard wrote:
One candidate for the leadership of the Liberal party of Canada (the
previous government party) is Michael Ignatieff.
According to an article in the Globe and Mail, he is the grand-son
of a Russian count. Is there any Internet ressource that would link
that count to medieval ancestry ?
Here is one descent from mediaeval ancestors:
1. Gediminas, Grand Duke of Lithuania d 1341
2. Gleb, Prince of Pinsk etc
3. Alexander, Prince of Podolia
4. Patrikey, Prince of Zwenihorod
[...]
20. Princess Catherine Galitsina, married Count Nicholas Ignatieff
21. Count Paul Ignatieff, d 1945
22. Count George Ignatieff
23. Michael Ignatieff - propositus
Further online details (usual caveats etc) may be found here:
Thanks.
BTW, the only book about Russian ancestry I found at the SGCF library
in Montréal is a summary of the Romanov family but I know there is
one book about the Troubianev (sp?) and another about the kings of
Albania etc. both in another library. But it seems that I would
have quite limited data here about this family.
Denis
--
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