Kendal, Gospatric, Samlesbury

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paul bulkley

Kendal, Gospatric, Samlesbury

Legg inn av paul bulkley » 06 okt 2006 18:25:02

Dear Dix Preston:

With further reference to your two explanations or
interpretations of the Curwen title:

It would appear from records that Thomas (son)
Gospatric (son) Orm must have married during the 1150s
to have had adult children in the 1170s.

Thus the time frame is significant to the Amabel
introduced in the two theories. Bulmer's theory
suggests Amabel was ready for marriage 1140s, whilst
the alternate theory presents an Amabel ready for
marriage 1170/1180. Neither are satisfactory
candidates for a Thomas who married in the 1150s.

In addition the records show that Thomas and his wife
Grace in grants to Abbey Hulm 1185-1189, and later
prior to Thomas's death 1201.

No doubt my thought that Grace his wife was
responsible for the Culwen title is questionable.

Richard Oram's "Lordship of Galloway" page 99
introduces an interesting comment that might prove an
avenue to investigate:

"Soon after 1176 Richard de Morville arranged the
marriage of his daughter Helen to Roland Galloway ----
his connection provided Roland with a new circle of
dependants. Through it he strengthened the existing
kinship bond with family of Gospatric of Workington
who's elder son Thomas was a tenant of William de
Lancaster lord of Kendal, brother in law to Richard de
Morveille. Thomas's younger brother Gilbert was to
become one of Roland's intimates"

Regarding Osulf, brother of Gospatric (son) Orm as you
claim, if he was known as lord of Flimby (Flemingby),
presumably he died dsp, and brother Gospatric
succeeded to the estate. Correct?

Sincerely Yours,

Paul Bulkley

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