Doubts (?) about the age of Mrs. Anne (Storer) (Truman) Skin

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John Brandon

Doubts (?) about the age of Mrs. Anne (Storer) (Truman) Skin

Legg inn av John Brandon » 05 okt 2006 20:53:33

I have no real opinion about this, just pass it along as food for
thought. Bryan S. Godfrey, a descendant of Clarke Skinner, emailed the
following to me in early September:

"I spent some time trying to find any information linking Anne [Storer]
to the Babingtons, and I too am skeptical now. Anne's gravestone
listed her year of death as 1717, aged about 75, yet her will was
probated in 1714, and one other source deciphered the age on the
tombstone as 73. So she was probably born sometime between 1639 and
1641, and it's possible she was by Mary."

John Brandon

Re: Doubts (?) about the age of Mrs. Anne (Storer) (Truman)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 05 okt 2006 21:22:05

It does seem the date 1717 on her tombstone is in error --

Notes for Ann Storer:
Maryland Calendar of Wills: Volume 4
Skinner, Ann, widow,Calvert Co.,
4th May, 1713; 19th June, 1714.
To dau. Greenfield, dau. Elizabeth Green and each grandchild,
personalty.
To eld. son Clarke (Skinner), ½ residue of estate, balance to be
divided between 2 young. sons William and
Adderton.
Exs.: 3 sons afsd.
Test: Jno. Mackall, Mary Monk, Gabriel Parker. 13. 703.

John Brandon

Re: Doubts (?) about the age of Mrs. Anne (Storer) (Truman)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 05 okt 2006 22:57:53

She must have died 3 Aug. 1713, if the date on her tombstone is even
partially correct (and if her will was actually proved in June 1714):

Here lyeth Mrs. Ann Skinner first Relict of James Truman Gent,
afterwards of Robert Skinner, who died 3 of August 1717 aged about 75
years having lived near half the time a Widow (Tombstone, Basil Duke
Farm, ca 2 mi. from Prince Frederick).


John Brandon

Re: Doubts (?) about the age of Mrs. Anne (Storer) (Truman)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 06 okt 2006 15:16:06

Cotgrave is fairly close to Widmerpool and Wysall ...

http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi? ... ale=200000

John Brandon

Re: Doubts (?) about the age of Mrs. Anne (Storer) (Truman)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 07 okt 2006 21:44:47

As this link may go 'dead' soon, it might be worth it to type out the
entry. It would be helpful if some Storer-Truman-Skinner undertook to
get a copy of the letter:

Charles M. Andrews and Frances G. Davenport, eds., _Guide to the
Manuscript Materials for the History of the United States to 1783, in
the British Museum, in Minor London Archives, and in the Libraries of
Oxford and Cambridge_ (Carnegie Institution of Washington, 1908), p.
345:

James Truman and Ann Truman to their cousin Sylvester, at Mr. White's
of Codgrave [i.e., Cotgrave], dated Patuxunt River, Maryland, April 8,
1671, about family affairs in England and America and about traffic in
skins with the Indians. (IV. ff. 24a-25a.)

John Brandon

Re: Doubts (?) about the age of Mrs. Anne (Storer) (Truman)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 07 okt 2006 21:55:39

Oh, probably should add that this letter is in Dr. Williams's Library,
Gordon Square, W.C. ... or *was* in 1908.

John Brandon

Re: Doubts (?) about the age of Mrs. Anne (Storer) (Truman)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 21 okt 2006 19:45:13

Bryan Godfrey has kindly provided me with a copy of Judge James D.
Trabue's article on the Storers from TAG 79:13-27, "Ann and Arthur
Storer of Calvert County, Maryland, Friends of Sir Isaac Newton: With
the Descendants of Clarke Skinner of Calvert County." This article
provides the following vital stats for Ann (Storer) (Truman) Skinner:
born ca. 1642; died between 30 July 1713 and 19 June 1714 (dates of
writing and probate of her will); married (1) Dr. James Truman (who d.
7 Aug. 1672); married (2) Robert Skinner (who d. Nov. 1686). A
footnote attached to her date of death notes: "Her tombstone is cited
showing her death on 3 Aug. 1717, at the age of about 75. The dates of
her will, however, indicate an error with regard to the engraving or
transcription of the date on the tombstone." Oddly, despite this
cautionary statement, the calculated date of birth ("ca. 1642") still
corresponds to a death in 1717. She is given the following children:

(by first husband, James Truman):

--Martha Truman, b. England ca. 1658; married Thomas Greenfield
--Ann Truman, d. Aug. 1727; married (1) William Head; married (2) John
Bigger; married (3) Patrick Andrew
--Mary Truman, d. ca. 1799 [sic]; married Thomas Hollyday
--Elizabeth Truman, married Charles Greene

(by second husband, Robert Skinner)

--Clarke Skinner
--William Skinner
--Adderton Skinner

Judge Trabue provides a transcription of the will of Arthur Storer of
Maryland, the significant points being ...

--"I Arthur Storer of Calvert County in the Province of Maryland
Mer'cht Being sick & weake of body, but of perfect mind and memory
praised be god"
--"I give and bequeath unto Joseph Clarke Appothecary in Lough-Borough
in Leicester Shire" [Joseph being his half-brother]
--"I give and bequeath unto my Brother Edward Storer & my sister
Katherine"
--*I give unto my Deare Mother Katherine Clarke ... Also I give unto
my Brother Edward Storer my Universall Double Ring Dyall*
--"I give and bequeath unto my coz. Mary Hollyday"
--"and for all the Rest of my worldly goods and Debts I give and
bequeath unto my sister Anne Skinner Widow and my coz. Martha
Greenfield making and consituteing the sd Anne Skinner and Martha
Greenfield Executrixes of this my last will & Testament."

There is a footnote explicating the reference to "my sister Katherine":
"Katherine is spelled with either a "K" or a "C" in the records. He
does not give her surname. Katherine Storer had m. (1) ___ Bacon and
(2) ___ Vincent (Will of Humphrey Babington, PCC 21 Fane)." This
implies, to me at least, that Katherine Storer and her Bacon and
Vincent husbands are mentioned in the will of Humphrey Babington (a
brother of Katherine [Babington] [Storer] Clarke). Yet, oddly, when
Judge Trabue discusses the will of Humphrey Babington on the following
page, he says only:

Although [Humphrey] Babington made his will in August 1686, he did not
die until 1691. Katherine Clarke [his sister] was one of his executors
and there were numerous bequests to relatives in England, including to
his nephew Edward Storer, as well as a bequest to his nephew Arthur
Storer (who was then in America). Edward is described as being "of
Buckminster."

So there is no mention of Arthur's sister Katherine Storer in this
particular section.

We can construct a timeline of the life of Edward Storer the father
that highlights a problem: his marriage to Katherine Babbington was
not long enough to permit the birth of a daughter Ann, if a daughter
Katherine has to be included as well:

1. Edward Storer, Sr., married Mary Widmerpole, 31 Oct. 1637 at
Wysall, Nottinghamshire [from extracted IGI].

2. Marriage license dated 15 Feb. 1640/1 is issued: "Edward Storer,
p[arish of] St. Peter's Nott[ingha]m, gent., & Katherine Babbington,
of Bunney, sp[inste]r" [Trabue, p. 16, note 23, citing Thomas Mathews
Blagg and F. Arthur Wadsworth, eds., _Abstracts of Nottinghamshire
Marriage Licenses, Archdeaconry Court, 1577-1700; Peculiar of
Southwell, 1588-1754_, Index Library, 58 (London, 1930): 189].

3. Edward Storer, son of Edward, Sr., and Katherine, baptized at
Bunny, Notts., 7 Feb. 1641/2 [Trabue, p. 15, note 17, citing Bunny,
Nottinghamshire, Bishops' Transcripts (FHL film #503,480)].

4. Edward Storer, Sr., dies in June 1644, is buried 10 June 1644 at
Buckminster, Leicestershire [Trabue, p. 17, citing Buckminster,
Leicestershire, parish register (Leicester Public Records Office, fiche
1)].

5. Edward's posthumous son Arthur Storer baptized 20 Feb. 1644/5 at
Buckminster, Leics. [Trabue, p. 15, note 19, citing parish register of
Buckminster, Leics., microfiche 1, Leicester Public Records Office].

6. Widow Katherine (Babington) Storer marries, second, William Clarke,
apothecary, on 18 July 1647 at Buckminster, Leics. [Trabue, p. 17,
citing Buckminster, Leicestershire, parish register (Leicester Public
Records Office, fiche 1)]. By her second marriage, Katherine had a
least three children-- Joseph, John, and Martha Clarke.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect that only one child (the
daughter Katherine) could have been born between Edward, Jr., in Feb.
1642, and Arthur, in Feb. 1645 (unless Katherine and Ann were twins!
Hmmm, the mind brightens with a new idea ...). Judge Trabue notes
that, "[u]nfortunately, there is a gap in the records of Bunny between
1642 and 1662, so the baptisms of the two daughters cannot be found."
Yet he certainly was aware that the family had removed to Buckminster,
Leics., sometime in this same period, and makes no mention of a similar
search in the Buckminster records (yet, surely, any such baptism of a
daughter [or daughters] at Buckminster would have been mentioned if
found).

Douglas Richardson recently provided us with the full transcription of
widow Ann Skinner's gravestone: "Here lyeth Mrs. Ann Skinner first
Relict of James Truman Gent, afterwards of Robert Skinner, who died 3
of August 1717 aged about 75 years having lived near half the time a
Widow." If she died in August 1713, aged 75, this yields a birth-year
of 1638. Bryan Godfrey noted to me that he had seen another
transcription of the stone giving the age at death as 73 years. This
still yields a birth-year of 1640, early enough to have been prior to
the issuance of the Feb. 1641 Babington-Storer marriage license. Given
that Ann (Storer) (Truman) Skinner had no daughter called "Katherine,"
and was apparently left out of the will of Humphrey Babington (despite
her sister Katherine [Storer] [Bacon] Vincent's being mentioned), it
seems to me that she must have been only a half-sister to Arthur
Storer, born of their father's first marriage to Mary Widmerpole. As
Ann was probably raised in the household of her stepmother's second
husband, William Clarke, this may explain the naming of her son
"Clarke" Skinner, without necessarily implying a blood relationship.

Below I've provided a transcription of the 1662/64 Notts. Visitation
entry for Widmerpole, as well as some extracted IGI entries that apply:

Sir William Dugdale, _The Visitation of Nottinghamshire Begun in 1662
and Finished in 1664_, ed. G. D. Squibb (London: Harleian Society, 1986
[new series, vol. 5]), p. 115:

[Husband:]
George Widmerpole of Widmerpole in Com. Nott., died circa ann. 1628

[Wife:]

Jane daughter to Fermyn Russell of Toucester in Com. North'ton

[Sons:]

1. Thomas Widmerpole died unmarried
2. Joseph Widmerpole of Widmerpole died in June ann. 1660 sine prole
3. George Widmerpole Citizen of London, aet. 57 ann. ... Julij, 1663
[wives: Martha Simpson and Margaret Holles]
4. Nicholas Widmerpole, Citizen of London [wives: Elizabeth Nurse,
Elizabeth Smith, and Elizabeth Dobs]

[Daughters:]

1. Margaret wife to George Linacre of Plumley in Com. Derb.
2. Anne wife to Edw. Burley of Haslam in Com. Ebor. after to ...
Taylor of Haslam
3. Mary wife to Edw. Storer of Buckminster in Com. Leic.
4. Jane wife to John Daniel of Long Sutton in com. Linc.

* * * * * * * * * *

.... from the IGI:

Wysall, Nottinghamshire

--Georgius Linacre to Margareta Widmerpole, 30 Dec. 1627
--John Daniel to Jane Widmerpole, 3 Oct. 1637
--Edward Storer to Marie Widmerpoole, 31 Oct. 1637

Muston, Leicestershire

--James Truman to Sarah Watson, 12 June 1656
--Elizabeth Truman, daughter of James and Anne, bapt. 1 May 1660, died
19 Nov. 1660
--Martha Truman, daughter of James and Anne, bapt. 9 Jan. 1662
--Anne Truman, daughter of James and Anne, bapt. 16 March 1664

Grantham, co. Lincoln

--John "Vincet" to Katherine "Bakon," 7 July 1685

John Brandon

Re: Doubts (?) about the age of Mrs. Anne (Storer) (Truman)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 22 okt 2006 06:03:59

On A2A:


REEVE

Catalogue Ref. Reeve
Creator(s):
Reeve family of Leadenham, Lincolnshire
Key family of Leadenham, Lincolnshire

[Access Conditions]
No restrictions on access.


TITLE DEEDS

Miscellaneous - ref. REEVE 1/20

FILE - Lease for a year - ref. REEVE 1/20/2/6 - date: 26
April, 1691
[from Scope and Content] Joseph Clarke of Loughborough,
apothecary, and Francis his wife, to John Key of Long Leadenham, gent.,
and Edward Storer of Buckminster, gent.

SETTLEMENTS.

Key Family. - ref. REEVE 2/1

FILE - Settlement. - ref. REEVE 2/1/1/12 - date: 27 April,
1694
[from Scope and Content] (2) John Key of Long Leadenham,
gent., and Edward Storer of Buckminster, Leics., gent.

FILE - Lease and release - ref. REEVE 2/1/2/3,4 - date: 17
May 1711
[from Scope and Content] (3) Edward Storer of Buckminster,
Leics., Dr. in Physic, and Thomas Kent of the City of Lincoln, woollen
draper.

* * * * *

The HERRICK MANUSCRIPTS

Catalogue Ref. DG 9
Creator(s):
Herrick family of Beaumanor, Leicestershire


TITLE DEEDS LEICESTERSHIRE

Woodhouse and Woodhouse Eaves

Woodhouse Eaves Farm

FILE [no title] - ref. DG 9/1432 - date: 16 & 17 May 1823
(orig)
[from Scope and Content] (i) to (ii) the Plaister Pit Close
and the Stone Bridge Close, Burton on the Wolds with the tithes
appertaining. Also a barn, fold yard and orchard in Fennell St.,
Loughborough and 22a 1r 31p and 3r 33p. of land in Loughborough and 2r
7p awarded by Charnwood Forest enclosure commissioners with all the
lands of Joseph Clarke's charity in Burton on the Wolds & Loughborough
to be held to the use of (i) and (ii) for the purposes specified in the
will of Joseph Clarke, apothecary of Loughborough 1717.

* * * * *

Papers of the Smith-Bromley Family of East Stoke, Nottinghamshire
1305-1876

Catalogue Ref. GB 159 Sm
Creator(s):
Smith-Bromley family, of East Stoke, Nottinghamshire
Bromley, Smith-, family, of East Stoke, Nottinghamshire

[Access Conditions]
Accessible to all registered readers.


FILE - Second Section of a Final Concord in respect of lands in
Buckminster and Sewstern (Leicestershire): T. Storer v. A. Storer -
ref. Sm 267 - date: 1608

FILE - First section of a Final Concord in respect of lands in
Buckminster (Leicestershire): Key and Lockley v. Storer - ref. Sm 285
- date: 1701

John Brandon

Re: Doubts (?) about the age of Mrs. Anne (Storer) (Truman)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 22 okt 2006 06:23:10

Also --

DOCUMENTS RELATING TO THE MANOR AND SOKE OF ROTHLEY

Catalogue Ref. 44'28
Creator(s):
Manor of Rothley
Babington family of Rothley Temple, Leicestershire

RELIGIOUS RECORDS

FILE - INVENTORIES and BONDS - ref. 44'28/1322 - date: 1657 - 1699
item: [no title] - ref. 44'28/1322/272) - date: 26 Feb 1691
[from Scope and Content] Inventory of Katherine Clarke of
Wartnaby [Leics.].

John Brandon

Re: Doubts (?) about the age of Mrs. Anne (Storer) (Truman)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 22 okt 2006 17:57:18

Looks like the Google Books links to the Notts. and Northants.
Visitations are functioning again--go figure. I might also add that
the Widmerpole of Widmerpole family is traced back for centuries in
Thoroton's _Nottinghamshire_ ...

http://books.google.com/books?id=zS4EAA ... ey&jtp=108

http://books.google.com/books?id=wLgEAA ... am&jtp=194




Nathaniel Taylor

Visitations -- whole volumes on google books (was ... Storer

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 23 okt 2006 02:14:25

In article <1161536238.610331.314060@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
"John Brandon" <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:

Looks like the Google Books links to the Notts. and Northants.
Visitations are functioning again--go figure. I might also add that
the Widmerpole of Widmerpole family is traced back for centuries in
Thoroton's _Nottinghamshire_ ...

http://books.google.com/books?id=zS4EAA ... arenceux+h
arvey&jtp=108

http://books.google.com/books?id=wLgEAA ... wes+fitzwi
lliam&jtp=194

John's trolling of google books continues to astound. Here are two
complete 19th-c. Visitations editions (one a Harleian vol., one not).
In both cases a link appears to download the whole book as a single pdf.
But a whole-book download link does not appear, even when a book may be
page-turnable as a 'full view' item. What determines whether a 'full
view' book may be downloadable at a single go like this?

The first link above is to a volume of Visitations of Nottingham
(Harleian Soc., vol. 4). You will note that a button "Download"
appears, with a size statement ("PDF-7.5M") next to it.

Now, if I go to the 'Advanced Book Search' window and type "Visitations
Nottingham" in the "Title" field, this book is the only match. But when
I click on the link, the "Download" button does not appear. Can anyone
explain that? (Many, many printed Visitations volumes can be downloaded
or at least searched using this technique; be sure to search on both
"visitation" and "visitations". And by the way, in the latter case you
get adverts for divorce mediation services on the right hand side of the
window.)

Google books is a trove, but still very weird--even aside from those
ghostly condommed fingers.

Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net

Nathaniel Taylor

Re: Visitations -- whole volumes on google books (was ... St

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 23 okt 2006 02:15:26

In article
<nathanieltaylor-559BB9.21141622102006@news.west.earthlink.net>,
Nathaniel Taylor <nathanieltaylor@earthlink.net> wrote:

John's trolling of google books continues to astound. Here are two
complete 19th-c. Visitations editions (one a Harleian vol., one not).
In both cases a link appears to download the whole book as a single pdf.
But a whole-book download link does not appear, even when a book may be
page-turnable as a 'full view' item.

Oops. I meant "a whole-book download link does not often appear..."

Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net

Denis Beauregard

Re: Visitations -- whole volumes on google books (was ... St

Legg inn av Denis Beauregard » 23 okt 2006 03:28:18

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 01:15:26 GMT, Nathaniel Taylor
<nathanieltaylor@earthlink.net> wrote in soc.genealogy.medieval:

In article
nathanieltaylor-559BB9.21141622102006@n ... thlink.net>,
Nathaniel Taylor <nathanieltaylor@earthlink.net> wrote:

John's trolling of google books continues to astound. Here are two

Oops. I meant "a whole-book download link does not often appear..."

You can check the box accordingly if you want to search only for
downloadable books. Moreover, I presume there is something similar
to gallica.bnf.fr for British books.


Denis

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