Complete Peerage Additions: Early records of the Holand/Arun

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Complete Peerage Additions: Early records of the Holand/Arun

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 02 okt 2006 17:03:24

Dear Newsgroup ~

Today quite by chance I came across some early birth and death records
of the medieval Holand and Arundel families of England on a website for
St. John's College at the University of Cambridge. As stated below,
these records are taken from a medieval psalter. They were apparently
assembled sometime between 1397 and 1400 for a member of the Holand
family, probably Sir Thomas Holand, Duke of Surrey and third Earl of
Kent, who was nephew of King Richard II of England. As far as I can
tell, several of the dates below are not found elsewhere in print. As
such, they represent all new additions to the authoritative Complete
Peerage and probably also to the new Dictionary of National Biography.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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Source:
http://www.joh.cam.ac.uk/library/specia ... pts/mmk26/

231. Psalter. K.26

Vellum, 11 x 7.25, ff. 23 + 182 + 4, 21 lines to a page. Late 13th and
14th cent. (between 1397 and 1400). Ex dono Caroli Baker:

f. 26a. Bordered page. The Preface to Calendar and Tables of Alfonsus
by John Somur ordinis minorum, 1380, is dedicated to Iohanna Princess
of Wales, mother of Richard II, ad meridiem tamen uniuersitatis oxonie
ex precepto reuerendi patris fratris Thome Kyngisburi ministri anglie.

In the Kalendar I note:

Jan. 6. ao doi 1367. Natus est Ricus rex IIus anglie.

9. 1382. Natus est dominus Edmundus de holand.

10. Ob. domine Eleanore comitisse arundell matris doe alesie
comitisse kancie. a. d. 1372.

25. Ob. doi Rici com. arudell. a. d. 1375.

Feb. 19 (later). Ob. Thome Arnedelle [recte Arundell - DR] quondam
archiepiscopi Cante.

Mar David and Chad do not occur.

Apr. 3. a. d. 1376. Natus est Ricus fil. domini Thome comitis
Cancie.

25. Ob. dni Th. de holand Com. Cancie & dni de Wake. a. d. 1397.

May 21. Ob. Ric. de holand fil. domini Th. de holand Com. Cancie. a.
d. 1396.

June 7. Ob. doe ane regie angl. a. d. 1393. I. fo. Pentec.

Sept. 8. a. d. 1372. Natus est. dns Thos. de holand dux Surr'
Thomas Canc'.

21. Ob. Ric. com. arundell a. d. 1397.

Oct. 13. a. d. 1370. Nata est domina alianora coissa Marchie.

Nov. 2. a. d. 1374. Natus est dominus Johannes de holand fil. Th.
de holand. com. Cancie.

5. Ob. d. Ioh. de holand fil. do. Th. de holand com. Cancie. a.
d. 1394.

29. a. d. 1384. Nata est domina Alianora de holand.

Dec. 4. a. d. 1389. Nata est domina Anna de holand.

The book was shown at the Burlington Fine Arts Club Exhibition of MSS.
in 1908: Mr S. C. Cockerell in his Catalogue (no. 48) says of the
latter portion that it was written between 1397 and 1400, for a member
of the Holland family, probably Sir Thomas Holland, Duke of Surrey and
third Earl of Kent. In the thirteenth century pictures he
distinguishes the work of three artists.1 Of the pictures in general
he says: They are monumental compositions of the greatest interest and
importance, and it is unfortunate that there is no clue to their place
of origin.

Gjest

Re: Complete Peerage Additions: Early records of the Holand/

Legg inn av Gjest » 05 okt 2006 00:35:13

Doug

Just Jump online for the first time in awhile. Want to say Nice find.
Can you tell me if you found anymore of these? Thanks You again you
again for sharing with this and not putting it up on your wall as not
to share it with us.

Thanks Again.

Mike
Douglas Richardson wrote:
Dear Newsgroup ~

Today quite by chance I came across some early birth and death records
of the medieval Holand and Arundel families of England on a website for
St. John's College at the University of Cambridge. As stated below,
these records are taken from a medieval psalter. They were apparently
assembled sometime between 1397 and 1400 for a member of the Holand
family, probably Sir Thomas Holand, Duke of Surrey and third Earl of
Kent, who was nephew of King Richard II of England. As far as I can
tell, several of the dates below are not found elsewhere in print. As
such, they represent all new additions to the authoritative Complete
Peerage and probably also to the new Dictionary of National Biography.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

+ + + + + + + + + + +
Source:
http://www.joh.cam.ac.uk/library/specia ... pts/mmk26/

231. Psalter. K.26

Vellum, 11 x 7.25, ff. 23 + 182 + 4, 21 lines to a page. Late 13th and
14th cent. (between 1397 and 1400). Ex dono Caroli Baker:

f. 26a. Bordered page. The Preface to Calendar and Tables of Alfonsus
by John Somur ordinis minorum, 1380, is dedicated to Iohanna Princess
of Wales, mother of Richard II, ad meridiem tamen uniuersitatis oxonie
ex precepto reuerendi patris fratris Thome Kyngisburi ministri anglie.

In the Kalendar I note:

Jan. 6. ao doi 1367. Natus est Ricus rex IIus anglie.

9. 1382. Natus est dominus Edmundus de holand.

10. Ob. domine Eleanore comitisse arundell matris doe alesie
comitisse kancie. a. d. 1372.

25. Ob. doi Rici com. arudell. a. d. 1375.

Feb. 19 (later). Ob. Thome Arnedelle [recte Arundell - DR] quondam
archiepiscopi Cante.

Mar David and Chad do not occur.

Apr. 3. a. d. 1376. Natus est Ricus fil. domini Thome comitis
Cancie.

25. Ob. dni Th. de holand Com. Cancie & dni de Wake. a. d. 1397.

May 21. Ob. Ric. de holand fil. domini Th. de holand Com. Cancie. a.
d. 1396.

June 7. Ob. doe ane regie angl. a. d. 1393. I. fo. Pentec.

Sept. 8. a. d. 1372. Natus est. dns Thos. de holand dux Surr'
Thomas Canc'.

21. Ob. Ric. com. arundell a. d. 1397.

Oct. 13. a. d. 1370. Nata est domina alianora coissa Marchie.

Nov. 2. a. d. 1374. Natus est dominus Johannes de holand fil. Th.
de holand. com. Cancie.

5. Ob. d. Ioh. de holand fil. do. Th. de holand com. Cancie. a.
d. 1394.

29. a. d. 1384. Nata est domina Alianora de holand.

Dec. 4. a. d. 1389. Nata est domina Anna de holand.

The book was shown at the Burlington Fine Arts Club Exhibition of MSS.
in 1908: Mr S. C. Cockerell in his Catalogue (no. 48) says of the
latter portion that it was written between 1397 and 1400, for a member
of the Holland family, probably Sir Thomas Holland, Duke of Surrey and
third Earl of Kent. In the thirteenth century pictures he
distinguishes the work of three artists.1 Of the pictures in general
he says: They are monumental compositions of the greatest interest and
importance, and it is unfortunate that there is no clue to their place
of origin.

Gjest

Re: Complete Peerage Additions: Early records of the Holand/

Legg inn av Gjest » 05 okt 2006 00:39:07

Doug

This is the first time I been able to jump online in awhile. I want to
thank you for sharing this with us. BTW do you know anymore of these
records. Also thank you for sharing it and not hanging it up on your
wall.

Mike
Douglas Richardson wrote:
Dear Newsgroup ~

Today quite by chance I came across some early birth and death records
of the medieval Holand and Arundel families of England on a website for
St. John's College at the University of Cambridge. As stated below,
these records are taken from a medieval psalter. They were apparently
assembled sometime between 1397 and 1400 for a member of the Holand
family, probably Sir Thomas Holand, Duke of Surrey and third Earl of
Kent, who was nephew of King Richard II of England. As far as I can
tell, several of the dates below are not found elsewhere in print. As
such, they represent all new additions to the authoritative Complete
Peerage and probably also to the new Dictionary of National Biography.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

+ + + + + + + + + + +
Source:
http://www.joh.cam.ac.uk/library/specia ... pts/mmk26/

231. Psalter. K.26

Vellum, 11 x 7.25, ff. 23 + 182 + 4, 21 lines to a page. Late 13th and
14th cent. (between 1397 and 1400). Ex dono Caroli Baker:

f. 26a. Bordered page. The Preface to Calendar and Tables of Alfonsus
by John Somur ordinis minorum, 1380, is dedicated to Iohanna Princess
of Wales, mother of Richard II, ad meridiem tamen uniuersitatis oxonie
ex precepto reuerendi patris fratris Thome Kyngisburi ministri anglie.

In the Kalendar I note:

Jan. 6. ao doi 1367. Natus est Ricus rex IIus anglie.

9. 1382. Natus est dominus Edmundus de holand.

10. Ob. domine Eleanore comitisse arundell matris doe alesie
comitisse kancie. a. d. 1372.

25. Ob. doi Rici com. arudell. a. d. 1375.

Feb. 19 (later). Ob. Thome Arnedelle [recte Arundell - DR] quondam
archiepiscopi Cante.

Mar David and Chad do not occur.

Apr. 3. a. d. 1376. Natus est Ricus fil. domini Thome comitis
Cancie.

25. Ob. dni Th. de holand Com. Cancie & dni de Wake. a. d. 1397.

May 21. Ob. Ric. de holand fil. domini Th. de holand Com. Cancie. a.
d. 1396.

June 7. Ob. doe ane regie angl. a. d. 1393. I. fo. Pentec.

Sept. 8. a. d. 1372. Natus est. dns Thos. de holand dux Surr'
Thomas Canc'.

21. Ob. Ric. com. arundell a. d. 1397.

Oct. 13. a. d. 1370. Nata est domina alianora coissa Marchie.

Nov. 2. a. d. 1374. Natus est dominus Johannes de holand fil. Th.
de holand. com. Cancie.

5. Ob. d. Ioh. de holand fil. do. Th. de holand com. Cancie. a.
d. 1394.

29. a. d. 1384. Nata est domina Alianora de holand.

Dec. 4. a. d. 1389. Nata est domina Anna de holand.

The book was shown at the Burlington Fine Arts Club Exhibition of MSS.
in 1908: Mr S. C. Cockerell in his Catalogue (no. 48) says of the
latter portion that it was written between 1397 and 1400, for a member
of the Holland family, probably Sir Thomas Holland, Duke of Surrey and
third Earl of Kent. In the thirteenth century pictures he
distinguishes the work of three artists.1 Of the pictures in general
he says: They are monumental compositions of the greatest interest and
importance, and it is unfortunate that there is no clue to their place
of origin.

Douglas Richardson

Re: Complete Peerage Additions: Early records of the Holand/

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 06 okt 2006 23:52:26

Dear Michael ~

You're quite welcome. The Psalter records of the Holand/Arundel family
were actually quite an unexpected find. I was doing a Google search
for any and all records containing the Latin word "dominus" and I
encountered the link to the St. John's College website which features
the Holand/Arundel Psalter records.

Hopefully more of these kinds of records will continue to come online.


Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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to
< thank you for sharing this with us. BTW do you know anymore of these
< records. Also thank you for sharing it and not hanging it up on your
< wall.
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< Mike

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