John Isaac Bates [1598-1666] Gateway Ancestor From The Count

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D. Spencer Hines

John Isaac Bates [1598-1666] Gateway Ancestor From The Count

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 26 sep 2006 19:54:59

Yes, the source may be wrong.

I called it "One Man's View". Vide infra.

What is your source?

And do you have a date in 1623 when _Southampton_ arrived?

1623 is better than 1624.

So, do you have John Isaac Bates here for the Indian Massacre in 1623?

DSH

"D. Patterson" <nye@fidalgo.net> wrote in message
news:45196EF5.2080004@fidalgo.net...

My guy's name was John Bates. I guessed at the date he came to
Jamestown, which was 1620 something, maybe 1626.

Grey Satterfield

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

No, it was 1624 -- he arrived at Jamestown, Virginia, in _Southampton_.

You were correct the FIRST TIME.

Have The Courage Of Your Convictions!

Don't Be A MUGWUMP!

One Man's View:

http://www.level6.com/family-history/ba ... art-I.html

"So, on January 20, 1624, 24 year old John Isaac Bates set foot in
Jamestown after crossing the Atlantic on the Southampton and became
the first Bates family ancestor to come to America. He was one of 21
passengers on the ship that were servants of Abraham Piersey. Piersey's
two daughters aged 11 and 15 were also on board."

"Grey Satterfield" <gsatterfield@cox.net> wrote in message
news:C13E97BC.33512%gsatterfield@cox.net...

Your source appears to have made an error. John Isaac Bates is reported to
have arrived in the year 1623 aboard SOUTHAMPTON while accompanying the
Pierseys. The date of 20 January 1624 is when the King's Muster was taken
to obtain a census of the Royal colony following the liquidation of the
Virginia Company. Evidently, your source wrongly assumed the date of the
Muster was the date of arrival of the SOUTHAMPTON.

D. Patterson

Re: John Isaac Bates [1598-1666] Gateway Ancestor From The C

Legg inn av D. Patterson » 26 sep 2006 23:33:00

"D. Patterson" <nye@fidalgo.net> wrote in message
news:45196EF5.2080004@fidalgo.net...


My guy's name was John Bates. I guessed at the date he came to
Jamestown, which was 1620 something, maybe 1626.

Grey Satterfield

D. Spencer Hines wrote:


No, it was 1624 -- he arrived at Jamestown, Virginia, in _Southampton_.

You were correct the FIRST TIME.

Have The Courage Of Your Convictions!

Don't Be A MUGWUMP!

One Man's View:


http://www.level6.com/family-history/ba ... art-I.html

"So, on January 20, 1624, 24 year old John Isaac Bates set foot in
Jamestown after crossing the Atlantic on the Southampton and became
the first Bates family ancestor to come to America. He was one of 21
passengers on the ship that were servants of Abraham Piersey. Piersey's
two daughters aged 11 and 15 were also on board."

"Grey Satterfield" <gsatterfield@cox.net> wrote in message
news:C13E97BC.33512%gsatterfield@cox.net...


Your source appears to have made an error. John Isaac Bates is reported to
have arrived in the year 1623 aboard SOUTHAMPTON while accompanying the
Pierseys. The date of 20 January 1624 is when the King's Muster was taken
to obtain a census of the Royal colony following the liquidation of the
Virginia Company. Evidently, your source wrongly assumed the date of the
Muster was the date of arrival of the SOUTHAMPTON.






D. Spencer Hines wrote:

Yes, the source may be wrong.

I called it "One Man's View". Vide infra.

What is your source?

And do you have a date in 1623 when _Southampton_ arrived?

1623 is better than 1624.

So, do you have John Isaac Bates here for the Indian Massacre in 1623?

DSH



The Muster recorded the ship and year of arrival. John bates is reported
to have arrived in SOUTHAMPTON in the year 1623. I have not yet seen
anything saying when in 1623 that SOUTHAMPTON arrived.

I don't have access to my refeernce books where I am now, but there are
some online sources which present the Muster and more.


CENSUS OF VIRGINIA IN 1624, Jamestown City, VA Census - 1624
http://home.fuse.net/flund/1624VAcensus.ships.htm


Virtual Jamestown
http://www.virtualjamestown.org/page2.html
The 1624/5 Jamestown Muster
http://www.virtualjamestown.org/Muster/musternotes.html
Search the Jamestown 1624/5 Muster Records
http://www.virtualjamestown.org/Muster/muster24.html
Muster Search Results
Showing records 1 to 1 (1 total)
Name Muster Status Location Corporation Age Ship Date of Arrival Muster
Date Notes
John Bates Peirsey Abraham mr servant Peirseys hundred Charles Cittie 24
Southampton 1623 20 January 1624/5


The Earliest Arrivals, Wingfield and Burgess Ancestors Who Arrived
before 1630...BATES and WINSTON: 1623
http://home.fuse.net/flund/firstsettlers.htm


ABRAHAM PEIRSEY
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flat ... irsey.html

D. Spencer Hines

Re: John Isaac Bates [1598-1666] Gateway Ancestor From The C

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 27 sep 2006 03:46:21

Are you a descendant of John Bates too?

DSH

"D. Patterson" <nye@fidalgo.net> wrote in message
news:4519AA9C.7030401@fidalgo.net...
"D. Patterson" <nye@fidalgo.net> wrote in message
news:45196EF5.2080004@fidalgo.net...


My guy's name was John Bates. I guessed at the date he came to
Jamestown, which was 1620 something, maybe 1626.

Grey Satterfield

D. Spencer Hines wrote:


No, it was 1624 -- he arrived at Jamestown, Virginia, in _Southampton_.

You were correct the FIRST TIME.

Have The Courage Of Your Convictions!

Don't Be A MUGWUMP!

One Man's View:


http://www.level6.com/family-history/ba ... art-I.html

"So, on January 20, 1624, 24 year old John Isaac Bates set foot in
Jamestown after crossing the Atlantic on the Southampton and became
the first Bates family ancestor to come to America. He was one of 21
passengers on the ship that were servants of Abraham Piersey. Piersey's
two daughters aged 11 and 15 were also on board."

"Grey Satterfield" <gsatterfield@cox.net> wrote in message
news:C13E97BC.33512%gsatterfield@cox.net...


Your source appears to have made an error. John Isaac Bates is reported
to
have arrived in the year 1623 aboard SOUTHAMPTON while accompanying the
Pierseys. The date of 20 January 1624 is when the King's Muster was taken
to obtain a census of the Royal colony following the liquidation of the
Virginia Company. Evidently, your source wrongly assumed the date of the
Muster was the date of arrival of the SOUTHAMPTON.





D. Spencer Hines wrote:

Yes, the source may be wrong.

I called it "One Man's View". Vide infra.

What is your source?

And do you have a date in 1623 when _Southampton_ arrived?

1623 is better than 1624.

So, do you have John Isaac Bates here for the Indian Massacre in 1623?

DSH



The Muster recorded the ship and year of arrival. John bates is reported
to have arrived in SOUTHAMPTON in the year 1623. I have not yet seen
anything saying when in 1623 that SOUTHAMPTON arrived.

I don't have access to my refeernce books where I am now, but there are
some online sources which present the Muster and more.


CENSUS OF VIRGINIA IN 1624, Jamestown City, VA Census - 1624
http://home.fuse.net/flund/1624VAcensus.ships.htm


Virtual Jamestown
http://www.virtualjamestown.org/page2.html
The 1624/5 Jamestown Muster
http://www.virtualjamestown.org/Muster/musternotes.html
Search the Jamestown 1624/5 Muster Records
http://www.virtualjamestown.org/Muster/muster24.html
Muster Search Results
Showing records 1 to 1 (1 total)
Name Muster Status Location Corporation Age Ship Date of Arrival Muster
Date Notes
John Bates Peirsey Abraham mr servant Peirseys hundred Charles Cittie 24
Southampton 1623 20 January 1624/5


The Earliest Arrivals, Wingfield and Burgess Ancestors Who Arrived before
1630...BATES and WINSTON: 1623
http://home.fuse.net/flund/firstsettlers.htm


ABRAHAM PEIRSEY
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flat ... irsey.html

Ian MacLure

Re: John Isaac Bates [1598-1666] Gateway Ancestor From The C

Legg inn av Ian MacLure » 27 sep 2006 06:16:25

So would this Bates person have been addressed after the
fashion of the time as "Master"?

IBM

D. Spencer Hines

Re: John Isaac Bates [1598-1666] Gateway Ancestor From The C

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 27 sep 2006 07:13:35

I've already posted on that, Ian.

It seems Grey Satterfield's descent from John Isaac Bates may indeed be
through a Master Bates.

But He's Unsure.

It may actually have been through either Pertur Bates or Incu Bates.

As Grey has pointed out he's just not very sure about his Genealogy and from
whom he descends.

DSH

"Ian MacLure" <ibm@svpal.org> wrote in message
news:Xns984AE293EC30Cibmsvpalorg@216.196.97.131...
So would this Bates person have been addressed after the
fashion of the time as "Master"?

IBM

D. Patterson

Re: John Isaac Bates [1598-1666] Gateway Ancestor From The C

Legg inn av D. Patterson » 27 sep 2006 10:25:52

"D. Patterson" <nye@fidalgo.net> wrote in message
news:4519AA9C.7030401@fidalgo.net...

"D. Patterson" <nye@fidalgo.net> wrote in message
news:45196EF5.2080004@fidalgo.net...



My guy's name was John Bates. I guessed at the date he came to
Jamestown, which was 1620 something, maybe 1626.

Grey Satterfield


D. Spencer Hines wrote:



No, it was 1624 -- he arrived at Jamestown, Virginia, in _Southampton_.

You were correct the FIRST TIME.

Have The Courage Of Your Convictions!

Don't Be A MUGWUMP!

One Man's View:



http://www.level6.com/family-history/ba ... art-I.html


"So, on January 20, 1624, 24 year old John Isaac Bates set foot in
Jamestown after crossing the Atlantic on the Southampton and became
the first Bates family ancestor to come to America. He was one of 21
passengers on the ship that were servants of Abraham Piersey. Piersey's
two daughters aged 11 and 15 were also on board."

"Grey Satterfield" <gsatterfield@cox.net> wrote in message
news:C13E97BC.33512%gsatterfield@cox.net...



Your source appears to have made an error. John Isaac Bates is reported
to
have arrived in the year 1623 aboard SOUTHAMPTON while accompanying the
Pierseys. The date of 20 January 1624 is when the King's Muster was taken
to obtain a census of the Royal colony following the liquidation of the
Virginia Company. Evidently, your source wrongly assumed the date of the
Muster was the date of arrival of the SOUTHAMPTON.




D. Spencer Hines wrote:


Yes, the source may be wrong.

I called it "One Man's View". Vide infra.

What is your source?

And do you have a date in 1623 when _Southampton_ arrived?

1623 is better than 1624.

So, do you have John Isaac Bates here for the Indian Massacre in 1623?

DSH



The Muster recorded the ship and year of arrival. John bates is reported
to have arrived in SOUTHAMPTON in the year 1623. I have not yet seen
anything saying when in 1623 that SOUTHAMPTON arrived.

I don't have access to my refeernce books where I am now, but there are
some online sources which present the Muster and more.


CENSUS OF VIRGINIA IN 1624, Jamestown City, VA Census - 1624
http://home.fuse.net/flund/1624VAcensus.ships.htm


Virtual Jamestown
http://www.virtualjamestown.org/page2.html
The 1624/5 Jamestown Muster
http://www.virtualjamestown.org/Muster/musternotes.html
Search the Jamestown 1624/5 Muster Records
http://www.virtualjamestown.org/Muster/muster24.html
Muster Search Results
Showing records 1 to 1 (1 total)
Name Muster Status Location Corporation Age Ship Date of Arrival Muster
Date Notes
John Bates Peirsey Abraham mr servant Peirseys hundred Charles Cittie 24
Southampton 1623 20 January 1624/5


The Earliest Arrivals, Wingfield and Burgess Ancestors Who Arrived before
1630...BATES and WINSTON: 1623
http://home.fuse.net/flund/firstsettlers.htm


ABRAHAM PEIRSEY
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flat ... irsey.html





Unable to rule him in or out at present.

D. Spencer Hines

Re: John Isaac Bates [1598-1666] Gateway Ancestor From The C

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 28 sep 2006 04:01:19

Pogue Gans is posting errant twaddle again.

Vide infra.

The Indian Massacre I was referring to happened on Good Friday in March
1623.

Three hundred and fifty settlers on plantations south of the James River
were massacred by the Indians.

Pogue Gans just LOVES to flaunt his Abject Ignorance of American History --
as well as European History and Asian History.

Pogue Gans is also obviously still quite angry about his NYU Medical Plan
and his sciatica.

He probably can't see a doctor he wants to see who is "outside the plan" --
unless he shells out mazuma from his own pocket.

How Sad...

Gans chose a POOR Medical Plan.

DSH

"Paul J Gans" <gans@panix.com> wrote in message
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Snodgras Riklesnort <caecilians4ever@webtv.net> wrote:

Hines,

the Indian massacre was 1622 not 1623.

Please stop correcting Mr. Hines.

First, it is a full-time job.

Second, when he's wrong he often replies in a rather
nasty way, and then we have cluttered newsgroups
with crossposted material and him yelling that it is
all about the "free marketplace of ideas".

---- Paul J. Gans

D. Spencer Hines

Re: John Isaac Bates [1598-1666] Gateway Ancestor From The C

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 29 sep 2006 21:59:31

I've already posted on that, Ian.

It seems Grey Satterfield's descent from John Isaac Bates may indeed be
through a Master Bates.

But He's Unsure.

It may actually have been through either Pertur Bates or Incu Bates.

As Grey has pointed out he's just not very sure about his Genealogy and from
whom he descends.

DSH

"Ian MacLure" <ibm@svpal.org> wrote in message
news:Xns984AE293EC30Cibmsvpalorg@216.196.97.131...
So would this Bates person have been addressed after the
fashion of the time as "Master"?

IBM

Eve McLaughlin

Re: John Isaac Bates [1598-1666] Gateway Ancestor From The C

Legg inn av Eve McLaughlin » 01 okt 2006 22:43:18

It seems Grey Satterfield's descent from John Isaac Bates may indeed be
through a Master Bates.

He stated John Bates, which is feasible. John Isaac is not at all likely
as a forename for someone born before 1600, or even 1650, when the only
stock doubling of an English forename was of (John) Posthumous. Hines is
so ignorant he presumably does not realise that any doubled name was
faked later in America.

As Hines well knows, he himself is


just not very sure about his Genealogy and from
whom he descends.

Trailer trash foundlings rarely are.

--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

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