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John Brandon

Chute wives

Legg inn av John Brandon » 26 sep 2006 15:08:35

Reading the Fall issue of _The Genealogist_, I came across William W.
Fiske's Whipple article wherein he mentions that the second wife of
Matthew Whipple of Ipswich, Mass., was Rose (___) Chute, the widow of
Lionel Chute. A footnote mentions a forthcoming article by Dr. Fiske
.... "The Two Wives of Lionel Chute." I, for one, will be eagerly
awaiting its publication.

Edward Crabtree

Whipple family

Legg inn av Edward Crabtree » 26 sep 2006 23:11:02

Ok, I am confused. Thought I knew who my Whipple branch involved, now I am
not sure.

This is what I have
William Hill born c1543 md to Joan or Jane Annabel born c1550
dau of John Annable b 1517-1527 md to Anna Whipple born c1522
dau of Matthew Whipple born c1495 md to Anna Hawkins
son of - from here I do not know.

I have found a Matthew Whipple married to an Anna Hawkins but all the dates
from here are about 100 years off. Where did I mess up?

Thanks.

Ed Crabtree - Missouri, USA
familyhistorian@kc.rr.com
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Merilyn Pedrick

Re: Whipple family (OT)

Legg inn av Merilyn Pedrick » 27 sep 2006 06:06:02

Sorry, but this is OT. These are much earlier Whipples than I have. Could
you tell me please if they are the ancestors of Elder John Whipple born
about 1617 in England and died 16 May 1685 presumably in Masachusetts. He
had a daughter Sarah who was baptised 3 Nov 1641 in Salem, Massachusetts,
and married Henry Short Jr. of Newbury, Mass. in 1674.
Merilyn Pedrick
Aldgate, South Australia

-------Original Message-------

From: Edward Crabtree
Date: 09/27/06 06:36:30
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Whipple family

Ok, I am confused. Thought I knew who my Whipple branch involved, now I am
not sure.

This is what I have
William Hill born c1543 md to Joan or Jane Annabel born c1550
dau of John Annable b 1517-1527 md to Anna Whipple born c1522
dau of Matthew Whipple born c1495 md to Anna Hawkins
son of - from here I do not know.

I have found a Matthew Whipple married to an Anna Hawkins but all the dates
from here are about 100 years off. Where did I mess up?

Thanks.

Ed Crabtree - Missouri, USA
familyhistorian@kc.rr.com
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Sheila

Re: Chute wives

Legg inn av Sheila » 27 sep 2006 17:34:58

John Brandon wrote:
Reading the Fall issue of _The Genealogist_, I came across William W.
Fiske's Whipple article wherein he mentions that the second wife of
Matthew Whipple of Ipswich, Mass., was Rose (___) Chute, the widow of
Lionel Chute. A footnote mentions a forthcoming article by Dr. Fiske
... "The Two Wives of Lionel Chute." I, for one, will be eagerly
awaiting its publication.

I am most interested in this family as my 3rd great grandfather is
Joseph Benedict Whipple, son of William and Margaret Byrne.
From genweb.whipple.org Rose was a Baker before marrying Lionel Chute.

Sheila

John Brandon

Re: Whipple family (OT)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 28 sep 2006 14:48:46

Funny how people are so eager to hijack threads to their own means and
ends.

I suppose it's understandable, given that the Whipples have so many
more descendants than the Chutes. Is anyone else on the newsgroup a
Chute descendant? I remember one of GBR's columns indicating that one
of the early Hollywood actresses -- Carole Lombard or Jean Harlow? --
had a line from Lionel Chute, but that's about it as far as "famous"
descendants.

Sort of like the Giffords of Lynn, I guess ... the only "prominent"
descendants I know for them are the L.L. Beans of Freeport and the
husband of Mrs. Lydia Pinkham of patent medicine fame.




"Merilyn Pedrick" wrote:
Sorry, but this is OT. These are much earlier Whipples than I have. Could
you tell me please if they are the ancestors of Elder John Whipple born
about 1617 in England and died 16 May 1685 presumably in Masachusetts. He
had a daughter Sarah who was baptised 3 Nov 1641 in Salem, Massachusetts,
and married Henry Short Jr. of Newbury, Mass. in 1674.
Merilyn Pedrick
Aldgate, South Australia

-------Original Message-------

From: Edward Crabtree
Date: 09/27/06 06:36:30
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Whipple family

Ok, I am confused. Thought I knew who my Whipple branch involved, now I am
not sure.

This is what I have
William Hill born c1543 md to Joan or Jane Annabel born c1550
dau of John Annable b 1517-1527 md to Anna Whipple born c1522
dau of Matthew Whipple born c1495 md to Anna Hawkins
son of - from here I do not know.

I have found a Matthew Whipple married to an Anna Hawkins but all the dates
from here are about 100 years off. Where did I mess up?

Thanks.

Ed Crabtree - Missouri, USA
familyhistorian@kc.rr.com
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John Brandon

Re: Whipple family (OT)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 28 sep 2006 16:33:51


Gjest

Re: Whipple family (OT)

Legg inn av Gjest » 29 sep 2006 08:17:41

Just as strange is that some people use online compilations as a
source,
instead of more reliable things.
Then they get confused when the dates dont work.

Rootsweb shows 60 submissions for James son of Lionel Chute.
Something that might have been overlooked before:
James Chute was married to Elizabeth, daughter of Daniel Epes of London

and Martha Reade.
I suspect that Daniel was a brother of the several Epes brothers who
went
to Virginia.
The Epes brothers have a gentry descent, through their mother Thomasine
Fisher,
which is recorded in the heraldic visitations of Kent.

Leslie


John Brandon wrote:
Funny how people are so eager to hijack threads to their own means and
ends.

I suppose it's understandable, given that the Whipples have so many
more descendants than the Chutes. Is anyone else on the newsgroup a
Chute descendant? I remember one of GBR's columns indicating that one
of the early Hollywood actresses -- Carole Lombard or Jean Harlow? --
had a line from Lionel Chute, but that's about it as far as "famous"
descendants.

Sort of like the Giffords of Lynn, I guess ... the only "prominent"
descendants I know for them are the L.L. Beans of Freeport and the
husband of Mrs. Lydia Pinkham of patent medicine fame.


Edward Crabtree

Re: Whipple family (OT)

Legg inn av Edward Crabtree » 29 sep 2006 19:26:02

I thank you all for your great support and immense help.

Ed Crabtree - Missouri, USA
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John Brandon

Re: Whipple family (OT)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 29 sep 2006 19:42:06

You're most welcome ...

> I thank you all for your great support and immense help.

John Brandon

Re: Whipple family (OT)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 29 sep 2006 22:48:44

For What?

For all the stuff you thanked us for (DUH).

John Brandon

Re: Whipple family (OT)

Legg inn av John Brandon » 29 sep 2006 22:54:18

For What?

For all the stuff you thanked us for (DUH).

Edward Crabtree

Re: Whipple family (OT)

Legg inn av Edward Crabtree » 29 sep 2006 23:51:02

For What?

You're most welcome ...
Ed Crabtree - Missouri, USA

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John Brandon

Relationships of Eppses and Fishers/ Bankses

Legg inn av John Brandon » 01 okt 2006 20:48:09

Something that might have been overlooked before:
James Chute was married to Elizabeth, daughter of Daniel Epes of London and Martha
Reade.
I suspect that Daniel was a brother of the several Epes brothers who went to Virginia.
The Epes brothers have a gentry descent, through their mother Thomasine
Fisher, which is recorded in the heraldic visitations of Kent.

Leslie


It may be worthwhile to set out the circumstances that, taken together,
support this claim. The following is a good list of the reasons
traditionally given for suspecting Daniel Eppes (d. 1630 in England;
father of Daniel and Elizabeth Eppes Chute of Massachusetts) to have
been a brother of the Epes family of Virginia (from
http://genforum.genealogy.com/epps/messages/1519.html [with a bit of
cleaning up]):

I have long believed that Daniel Epps, husband of Martha Reade, and
father of Daniel Epps of MA, may [be] kin to the Francis Epes that
immigrated to VA. Consider the following:

1. They were both from Co Kent, Eng.

2. Thomas Reade, brother of Martha Reade, married Priscilla Bankes,
daughter of John Bankes and Mary Fisher.

3. Mary Fisher had a sister, Thomasine Fisher, who married John Epes of
Ashford, Co Kent Eng. They were the parents of the Francis Epes who
went to VA.

4. A son of Francis Epes, Thomas, was baptized 8 Sep 1630 at the church
of St Olave, London, Eng.

5. Daniel Epps, husband of Martha Reade, was buried in 1630 at the
church of St Olave, London.

6. Francis Epes had a brother named Daniel, who is supposed to have
died 1619-1625.

7. When John Epes, father of Francis, wrote his will in 1627, there is
no mention of a son named Daniel.

* * * * *

William S. Appleton, in _The Ancestry of Priscilla Baker_, noted a 1672
letter from Lydia Banks of London to her "Coussen Daniel Eppes" of
Ipswich, Mass. See

http://books.google.com/books?vid=0co1c ... ford+reade

Lydia Banks was daughter of John and Mary (Fisher) Banks of London, and
had lived in New England for a few years in the 1640s, where she was a
member of the Salem Church. As late as 1664, Lydia wrote to Salem
seeking to be dismissed to Rev. Philip Nye's congregation in London.
Lydia's sister Priscilla Banks was the wife of Thomas Reade (also
sometime of New England), a brother of Martha Reade who married Daniel
Epps (d. 1630). The following extracted marriage record is found in
the I.G.I.:

Saint Matthew Friday Street, London

--Thomas Reade to Prissilla Banks, 17 Aug. 1643

See also

http://books.google.com/books?vid=0co1c ... ford+reade
..

The 1634/35 London Visitation shows Lydia and Priscilla as daughters of
John Banks of London, by his wife "Mary da. of Alexander Fisher of
Maydston in Kent by the da. of Maplesden." See

http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN1 ... aleb+banks
..

As Leslie noted to me in an email yesterday: "One of the visitations
of Kent shows that Alexander Fisher's daughter married Epes."

Hence, while Lydia Banks might theoretically have called Daniel Eppes
her "Coussen" because her sister Priscilla had married his maternal
uncle (Thomas Reade), it seems more likely there was a genuine first
cousin (or first-cousin-once-removed) relationship between them.
Apparently Daniel Epes, Sr., was simply not named in the 1627 will of
his father John Epes.



Gjest

Re: Relationships of Eppses and Fishers/ Bankses

Legg inn av Gjest » 02 okt 2006 08:25:59

John Brandon wrote:

Hence, while Lydia Banks might theoretically have called Daniel Eppes
her "Coussen" because her sister Priscilla had married his maternal
uncle (Thomas Reade), it seems more likely there was a genuine first
cousin (or first-cousin-once-removed) relationship between them.
Apparently Daniel Epes, Sr., was simply not named in the 1627 will of
his father John Epes.


Notice that the will of John Epes says:

"To Peter Epes £10 and so to the rest of my sons."

One of the most challenging aspects of wills is that they can include,
or leave out, as much information as the testator felt like.

Leslie

John Brandon

Re: Relationships of Eppses and Fishers/ Bankses

Legg inn av John Brandon » 02 okt 2006 14:27:09

See p. 58 for a little more on Col. Thomas Reade ...

http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/docum ... 7291&REC=6

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