Sources indexed in New Englanders in the 1600s

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steven perkins

Sources indexed in New Englanders in the 1600s

Legg inn av steven perkins » 23 sep 2006 19:21:01

List:

I just discovered that the list of items indexed in Martin Hollick's
book, New Englanders in the 1600s, is online at this website:

http://www.newenglandancestors.org/down ... ources.pdf

I think you can get to it without being a member of the website.

Regards,

Steven C. Perkins

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John Higgins

Re: Sources indexed in New Englanders in the 1600s

Legg inn av John Higgins » 23 sep 2006 20:06:02

One nice feature of this list of items indexed in the Hollick book is that
it gives citations for reviews of most of the items on the list - thus
allowing readers to check out "other opinions" of the various sources. Not
a bad idea!!

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List:

I just discovered that the list of items indexed in Martin Hollick's
book, New Englanders in the 1600s, is online at this website:

http://www.newenglandancestors.org/down ... ources.pdf

I think you can get to it without being a member of the website.

Regards,

Steven C. Perkins

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http://stevencperkins.com/genealogy.html

Dora Smith

Re: Sources indexed in New Englanders in the 1600s

Legg inn av Dora Smith » 24 sep 2006 19:05:03

Ah. Mention of it in a place to ask for more informaiton about it where it
is on topic.

I checked out that page, and it is some list of references that each contain
five million names. Tehre was no actual description of what this new
reference is about.

I am finding it hard to think this new book could be more than another
compendium of names, dates, places, and ships' names.

Does this new book contain actual information about who the people were and
what they did? Ie, stories and history about them? That is the only kind
of book I'd want to get at this point. I have all the names, dates,
places, and known ships' names on all of my many 17th century New England
ancestors.

I was actually disappointed in The Great Migration Begins; it contained
mostly brief information I already had from existing sources.

Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24@yahoo.com
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From: "steven perkins" <scperkins@gmail.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 12:19 PM
Subject: Sources indexed in New Englanders in the 1600s


List:

I just discovered that the list of items indexed in Martin Hollick's
book, New Englanders in the 1600s, is online at this website:

http://www.newenglandancestors.org/down ... ources.pdf

I think you can get to it without being a member of the website.

Regards,

Steven C. Perkins

--
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http://stevencperkins.com/
http://intelligent-internet.info/law/ipr2.html
kttp://iemlnews.blogspot.com/
http://jgg-online.blogspot.com/
http://stevencperkins.com/genealogy.html





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Gjest

Re: Sources indexed in New Englanders in the 1600s

Legg inn av Gjest » 24 sep 2006 23:44:40

"Dora Smith" wrote:


I was actually disappointed in The Great Migration Begins; it contained
mostly brief information I already had from existing sources.

Yours,
Dora Smith


Theres a good reason why it didnt have new information on many people.

Finding new details about persons who arrived as servants
& laborers can be difficult, if not impossible.

A lot of 'researchers' think everything can be found in wills.
But standard guidebooks tell us that maybe 10% of the English
population
left wills.
And there are some localities for which, wills dont survive.
Of course, there are still discoveries to be made in chancery suits &
manorial records.

Leslie

Nathaniel Taylor

Re: Sources indexed in New Englanders in the 1600s

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 27 sep 2006 02:27:27

In article <01d801c6dffb$7129fbc0$640fa8c0@Villandra2>,
tiggernut24@yahoo.com ("Dora Smith") wrote:

Ah. Mention of it in a place to ask for more informaiton about it where it
is on topic.

I checked out that page, and it is some list of references that each contain
five million names. Tehre was no actual description of what this new
reference is about.

I am finding it hard to think this new book could be more than another
compendium of names, dates, places, and ships' names.

Does this new book contain actual information about who the people were and
what they did? Ie, stories and history about them? That is the only kind
of book I'd want to get at this point. I have all the names, dates,
places, and known ships' names on all of my many 17th century New England
ancestors.

I was actually disappointed in The Great Migration Begins; it contained
mostly brief information I already had from existing sources.

I know Martin Hollick's book _New Englanders in the 1600s_ well because
I happened to typeset it. Without touting it unnecessarily (it is
already going into a second printing with minor corrections) let me
explain what it is.

It is a prosopographical bibliography, arranged alphabetically, listing
17th-century immigrants and providing citations to the last 25 years of
books and articles in which authoritative accounts of those immigrants
have appeared. These are citations to secondary works of compiled
genealogy, not to the primary sources documenting the vital records of
the immigrants themselves). The secondary sources cited are those for
which there is a reasonable guarantee of quality (i.e. things in the
good journals, plus well-reviewed monographs or compendia). The entries
in this book do not supply any data on the immigrants beyond a brief
mention of birth death dates and places, essentially to disambiguate
persons with the same name, or to signal, for example, that a person's
baptism is indeed known and discussed in one or more of the cited
sources. The entries do not name spouses or children.

The book is a finding aid; its purpose is to connect a interested
researchers with the most authoritative or complete genealogical account
of that person and his / her family, thus providing a means to the end
Dora seeks, of "actual information about who the people were and what
they did."

Gary Boyd Roberts' _Royal Descents_ books do essentially the same thing.
In those, the actual ancestries shown are useless in terms of data
presented--just begats without any places or dates. Gary could have
added lifespans to his lines without going over one typeset line per
generation, and doing so would have made at least some chronological
impossibilities in both editions immediately obvious--one example is the
Fitzwilliam - Sothill marriage being discussed on this newsgroup right
now, which appears in RD600 in impossible line, since retracted. But,
like Martin's book, what is important in Gary's books is not the data
presented, but the bibliography of sources for each immigrant's ancestry.

The pdf file from Martin's book cited by Steven Perkins, on the NEHGS
website, is a list of abbreviations of frequently-cited journals or
compendia, to save space in a bibliography of this type. It is not a
complete list of all sources used or cited in the book. It reproduces
an early draft of this bit of Martin's book and does not reproduce the
printed version.

Of course the _Great Migration_ volumes are different--more of a
prosopographical encyclopedia, with formulaic blurbs on each immigrant
providing primary-source-cited dates of vital events, spouses and
children. One arguable limitation of the Great Migration sketches is
not necessarily that the entries are short (they are intentionally so),
but more significantly that the entries are parsimonious in referring to
secondary works fleshing out immigrants' lives & families. Some readers
would welcome more inclusive references to secondary accounts--even
older ones of whose standards Bob Anderson might disapprove--which would
flesh out the life of a particular settler, say in the context of a
compiled town history. Martin's bibliography, combined with the earlier
analogous bibliographies embedded in Torrey's _New England Marriages_
(along with Melinde Lutz Sanborn's published supplements), and with the
factual corrections found in Bob's _Great Migration_ sketches, all
together constitute one of the most exemplary prosopographical
encyclopedias and bibliographies of any seventeenth-century population,
anywhere.

Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net

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