Beseby, soke of Wautham

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CE Wood

Beseby, soke of Wautham

Legg inn av CE Wood » 10 sep 2006 00:13:04

In his post of 18 Feb 1999, "THE EARLY CHAMPERNOUNS" Ronny Bodine, in
Generation 3, #5. WILLIAM DE CHAMPERNOUN, says, "On 21 Aug 1249,
Geoffrey de Grandi Monte was granted all land in Beseby, in the soke of
Wautham, and with the dower of Eva de Chambernun there if she should
die in this time (Cal. Patent Rolls, 1247-58, p. 46)."

The closest I have been able to come to finding this place is the
holding of Bescaby, just northeast of Waltham on the Wolds,
Leicestershire (Lat: 52:49:03N Lon: 000:48:54W).

Searching Google found a cached DOC file from the now expired
http://www.walthamonthewolds.org. #1185, Waltham Area Village Appraisal
Report. In the section, The History of the Waltham Appraisal Area:
Waltham-on-the-Wolds, is the following:

"Waltham-on-the-Wolds

The village is situated in the northeast corner of Leicestershire, five
miles from Melton Mowbray, eleven miles from Grantham and approximately
twenty miles from Leicester, Nottingham, Newark and Stamford. It is
positioned on the eastern edge of the Leicestershire Wolds, overlooking
the Vale of Belvoir from a height of 168m (560ft), making it the second
highest village in the county. Geologically, Waltham stands on a
mixture of clay and red marl with underlying strata of Jurassic
limestone, which has been quarried locally and used in the building of
many of the older houses in the village.

There is little evidence of any settlement in the area earlier than AD
800. The Domesday Book reference to Waltham reveals that the village
belonged to Hugh of Grandmesnil who, after the Norman Conquest, was the
largest landowner in the county. Hugh allowed a man named Walter to
hold a major part of the village and surrounding area. Some say that
this arrangement gave Waltham its name - Walt's Ham (Walter's
Town). However, EARLIER RECORDS REFER TO THE VILLAGE AS WAUTHAM (caps
mine)- so another theory is that the name may have been derived from
Weald (woody), Ham (town) and, the Saxon word, Wold (a hill or high
place)."

Perhaps the location of Beseby, soke of Wautham, is already known, but
if not, is this a likely candidate?

CE Wood

Matt Tompkins

Re: Beseby, soke of Wautham

Legg inn av Matt Tompkins » 10 sep 2006 11:06:11

CE Wood wrote:
In his post of 18 Feb 1999, "THE EARLY CHAMPERNOUNS" Ronny Bodine, in
Generation 3, #5. WILLIAM DE CHAMPERNOUN, says, "On 21 Aug 1249,
Geoffrey de Grandi Monte was granted all land in Beseby, in the soke of
Wautham, and with the dower of Eva de Chambernun there if she should
die in this time (Cal. Patent Rolls, 1247-58, p. 46)."

The closest I have been able to come to finding this place is the
holding of Bescaby, just northeast of Waltham on the Wolds,
Leicestershire (Lat: 52:49:03N Lon: 000:48:54W).
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Perhaps the location of Beseby, soke of Wautham, is already known, but
if not, is this a likely candidate?


The soke of Waltham was centered on Waltham near Grimsby in north east
Lincolnshire.

The index to CPR 1247-58 (at pp. 681, 684) identifies Beseby as Beesby
near Hawerby in Lincolnshire. There are three Beesbys in Lincs, but
the one near Hawerby is the closest to Waltham by a large margin (it
lies just four miles south of Waltham, at GR TF 265965, or N53:27:00
W0:05:48), so I think this must be correct.

Matt Tompkins

Douglas Richardson

Re: Beseby, soke of Wautham

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 10 sep 2006 17:11:19

Dear Carolyn ~

The Eve de Champernoun who held the property at Beseby, in the soke of
Waltham, Lincolnshire in 1249 was Eve de Blanchminster, widow
successively of WIlliam de Champernoun (living 1230) and Sir Henry Fitz
Roy (died 1245), an illegitimate son of King John. You can find
additional particulars regarding Sir Henry Fitz Roy and his wife, Eve,
below, which material is taken from Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet
Ancestry (2004). Eve subsequently married (3rd) before 30 June 1252
Giles de Clifford. She died in 1255.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www. royalancestry. net

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I. HENRY FITZ ROY, Knt., of Waltham, Ashby, Brigsley, Gonerby (in
Hatcliffe), Hawerby, and North Coates, Lincolnshire, and Chilham, Kent.
He was sent as a student to the Prior of Kenilworth in 1207. In 1215
he was granted the lands of Robert Fitz Walter in Cornwall. In 1217 he
and Ralph de Raleigh were granted the manor of Waltham, Lincolnshire
formerly held by Alan Fitz Count to sustain them in royal service. In
1231 he was granted all of the land of Henry de Avaugor, a Norman, in
Waltham, Lincolnshire. He married before 1236 EVE DE BLANCHMINSTER (or
WHITCHURCH), widow of William de Champernoun (living 1230), of
Umberleigh (in Atherington) and High Bickington, Devon, and daughter
and heiress of Reynold de Blanchminster (or Whitchurch) (living 1248),
of Shrivenham and Winterbourne (in Chieveley), Berkshire, and Bolney,
Oxfordshire, by his 1st wife, Alice, daughter and co-heiress of
Nicholas de Bolney. They had no issue. SIR HENRY FITZ ROY died
shortly before 8 April 1245. His widow, Eve, married (3rd) before 30
June 1252 Giles de Clifford (living 1276), of Columbjohn, Everleigh,
Combe-in-Teignhead, and Godford, Devonshire, younger son of Walter de
Clifford, of Clifford, Herefordshire, by Agnes, daughter and heiress of
Roger de Condet. Eve died in 1255.

References:

Cal.Ch.R. 1 (1895): 137 ("Henry the king's brother"). Vivian
Vis. of Devon (1895): 160. Cal.P.R. 1216-1225 (1901): 128, 574
("Henricus filius regis"). Cal.C.R. 1227-1231 (1902): 51.
Cal.P.R. 1225-1232 (1903): 311 ("Henricus frater regis"), 357,
441. Cal.C.R. 1234-1237 (1908): 219 ("Henrico fratri regis").
Cal.P.R. 1232-1247 (1906): 20, 296, 450. Cal.C.R. 1237-1242
(1911): 511 ("Henricum filium regis"). Cal. Liberate Rolls 1
(1916): 35, 105, 137, 143, 172, 242, 304, 347, 425; 2 (1930): 2. Book
of Fees 1 (1920): 362 ("Henricus frater regis"), 617 ("Henricus
filius regis"); 2 (1923): 660, 675, 1021 (instances of "Henricus
filius Regis"). VCH Berkshire 3 (1923): 424; 4 (1924): 63, 513, 533.
Cal.C.R. 1251-1253 (1927): 116. Cam, The Hundred & the Hundred
Rolls (1930): 261. Painter, Reign of King John (1949): 232-233.
C.P. 12(2) (1959): 645 (sub Wilington). Curia Regis Rolls 13 (1959):
138, 215, 283 ("Henricus filius regis John), 290, 364-365, 371,
514, 542; 15 (1972): 83, 449 (styled "Henricum filium le Rey").
Brown, Memoranda Roll for the Tenth Year of the Reign of King John
1207-8 (Pipe Roll Soc. n.s. 31) (1957): 137 (Henry called "our
son" [filio nostro] by King John). Paget, Baronage of England (1957)
133: 4 (sub Clifford). NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102. Kemp, Reading
Abbey Cartularies 1 (Camden 4th Ser. 31) (1986): 375. Hugh Clifford,
House of Clifford (1987): 29, 238-240. Church, Household Knights of
King John (1999): 127.


CE Wood wrote:
In his post of 18 Feb 1999, "THE EARLY CHAMPERNOUNS" Ronny Bodine, in
Generation 3, #5. WILLIAM DE CHAMPERNOUN, says, "On 21 Aug 1249,
Geoffrey de Grandi Monte was granted all land in Beseby, in the soke of
Wautham, and with the dower of Eva de Chambernun there if she should
die in this time (Cal. Patent Rolls, 1247-58, p. 46)."

CE Wood

CE Wood

Re: Beseby, soke of Wautham

Legg inn av CE Wood » 10 sep 2006 18:03:43

Not having CP, I had no idea there was such assistance. Thank you so
much for the information. Having looked at the map, I totally concur.

CE Wood


Matt Tompkins wrote:
CE Wood wrote:
In his post of 18 Feb 1999, "THE EARLY CHAMPERNOUNS" Ronny Bodine, in
Generation 3, #5. WILLIAM DE CHAMPERNOUN, says, "On 21 Aug 1249,
Geoffrey de Grandi Monte was granted all land in Beseby, in the soke of
Wautham, and with the dower of Eva de Chambernun there if she should
die in this time (Cal. Patent Rolls, 1247-58, p. 46)."

The closest I have been able to come to finding this place is the
holding of Bescaby, just northeast of Waltham on the Wolds,
Leicestershire (Lat: 52:49:03N Lon: 000:48:54W).
snip
Perhaps the location of Beseby, soke of Wautham, is already known, but
if not, is this a likely candidate?


The soke of Waltham was centered on Waltham near Grimsby in north east
Lincolnshire.

The index to CPR 1247-58 (at pp. 681, 684) identifies Beseby as Beesby
near Hawerby in Lincolnshire. There are three Beesbys in Lincs, but
the one near Hawerby is the closest to Waltham by a large margin (it
lies just four miles south of Waltham, at GR TF 265965, or N53:27:00
W0:05:48), so I think this must be correct.

Matt Tompkins

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