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CP Addition: Elizabeth, wife of Roger de Lascelles, Lord Las

Legg inn av Gjest » 31 aug 2006 02:46:02

Wednesday, 30 August, 2006


Dear Ray, et al.,

Back in February 1999, the matter of the ancestry of Theophania
de Lascelles was discussed, primarily having to do with Elizabeth
(or Isabel) ____, wife of Roger de Lascelles [1]. The evidence
concerning her maritagium in Ellerton-on-Derwent was noted, and the
Visitation record which identified her as daughter of William
fitz Thomas.

As you suggested, the history of Ellerton-on-Derwent does
provide further clues, ... The record concerning Elizabeth's
maritagium can be found in a plea de quo warranto (ca. 1279-1281)
of her husband Roger de Lascelles in which he claimed that he
had ' his manor of Ellerton in frank-marriage from William fitz
Thomas ' [2]. This is identified as a carucate in Ellerton,
which Roger de Lascelles and Thomas de Greystoke held of William
fitz Thomas de Greystoke in 1284-5 [3].

The earlier history of Ellerton confirms the pre-existing
Greystoke tenure of the manor. William fitz Ranulf, of Greystoke,
Cumberland (d. 1209), grandfather of William fitz Thomas de
Greystoke, is noted as having held this land some 75 years or
more before Roger de Lascelles held it of William: a carucate at
Ellerton, which he held of Gilbert [de Gant] at Ellerton, near
Pocklington, by the service of a goshawk [osturcus] [4].

Ray had noted earlier that there was no record of a daughter of
William fitz Thomas (de Greystoke) named Elizabeth, or Isabel. In
fact, this would have altered subsequent events quite a bit, as
William's son and heir John died s.p. 2 Sept 1306, subsequent to
having enfeoffed his cousin Ralph fitz William in his lands of
Greystoke & c. [5]. John's sister Margaret did receive certain
lands as an inheritance, but her ultimate heirs included her
cousins Elizabeth, daughter of Thomas fitz Thomas fitz William
(her uncle), and Elizabeth's nephew Peter Beckard [6]. Had
Elizabeth, wife of Roger de Lascelles, been a daughter of this
Thomas, or of William fitz Thomas as indicated in the Visitation
record, she (or her daughters) would have merited notice as
coheirs.

What appears most likely, based on the foregoing and the
chronology of the Greystoke and Lascelles families, is that
Elizabeth (wife of Roger de Lascelles) was a daughter not of
William fitz Thomas, but rather of William fitz Ralph, his
brother-in-law. Ralph fitz William (son of William fitz Ralph)
was clearly a favoured family member, and was (in 1297, as noted
above) granted the lands of his cousin John fitz William (fitz
Thomas) de Greystoke. If Elizabeth was the sister of Ralph, she
would not have been the heir or co-heir of the Greystoke lands: as
her father William fitz Ralph had evidently died before her
marriage, the grant of the carucate in Ellerton as her maritagium
by William fitz Thomas de Greystoke (her uncle) would make ultimate
sense, and would be as near a fit to the Visitation configuration
as the facts will allow.

I will shortly post a revised pedigree of the Greystoke family,
showing the descent to Ralph fitz William (Lord FitzWilliam) and
his Greystoke line, as well as to his apparent sister Elizabeth,
wife of Roger de Lascelles. This will affect the ancestry of
myriad descendants of the Greystoke line, as well as the many
descendants (Hildyard of Winestead, Hotham of Scarborough,
Constable of Halsham, the Lady Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall,
Alfred, Lord Tennyson, & c.) of the Hiltons of Swine and
Winestead. Should anyone having additional relevant documentation,
or references, that would be most welcome.

Cheers,

John *


NOTES

[1] Ray Phair, <Theophania de Lascelles>, SGM, 22 Feb 1999.


[2] Kirkby's Inquest, p. 89, note <q> states as follows:

' 7-9 Edward I. On a plea of Quo Warranto before John de
Vaux and others, Roger de Lasceles
"dicit quod tenet manerium suum de Hellerton, ut liberum
maritagium Elizabethae uxoris suae, de Willelmo [filio]
Thomae, qui ipsum inde defendit et acquietet contra
omnes homines " (Plac. de Quo Warr., 200). '


[3] Kirkby's Inquest, p. 89, Wapentake of Harthill (East Riding),
part of the Greystoke fee:

' Ellerton. Item Baro habet feodum in Ellerton, scilicet,
j car. terrae quam Rogerus de Lacels et Thomas de
Graystok tenent de Barone, et Baro de Gilberto de Gaunt,
et ipse de rege.


[4] W. Brown, Pedes Finium Ebor. pp. 110-1, no. CCLXXXVII. The
relevant portion of the text concerning Elreton [i.e.,
Ellerton] :

' Ibid. a die Paschae n unum mensem (April 22-May 20, 1207),
Inter Gilbertum de Grant pet., per Johannem Clericum positum
loco suo etc., et Willelmum filium Rannulphi deforciantem,
de annuo servitio duorum osturcorum, quod exegit ab eo de
una car. terrae cum pert. in Elreton, quod servitium ei non
cognovit. Et unde recognitio magnae assisae summonita fuit
etc., scil. quod predictus Gilbertus remisit etc. de se et
her. suis eidem Willelmo et her. suis totum clamium etc. in
uno predictorum osturcorum. Et pro hac quieta clamantia
idem Willelmus.... '


[5] CP V:514 [sub _FitzWilliam_]. Also see VCH Yorkshire (East
Riding), III:164-170 [sub _Fangfoss_], and Sanders, English
Baronies, p. 50.


[6] Collectanea topographica et genealogica V:314, "Additions
to Dugdale's Baronage".


* John P. Ravilious

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