Mr. Cogswell's brother-in-law, Samuel Thompson, Doctor of Ph
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John Brandon
Mr. Cogswell's brother-in-law, Samuel Thompson, Doctor of Ph
I had always thought the Cogswells' relative, "Dr." Samuel Thompson,
was a minister, but the following two items show otherwise:
http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN0 ... n+cogswell
http://books.google.com/books?vid=01ic5 ... son+physic
was a minister, but the following two items show otherwise:
http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN0 ... n+cogswell
http://books.google.com/books?vid=01ic5 ... son+physic
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John Brandon
Re: Mr. Cogswell's brother-in-law, Samuel Thompson, Doctor o
Earlier this year, I pointed out the following records as possibly
applying to this particular Samuel Thompson:
Saint Nicholas, Rochester, Kent --
Martha Tomson, dau. Samuel and Mary, bapt. 1 April 1647
William Tomson, son Samuel, bapt. 11 Nov. 1648
As the source linked to above mentions Rochester in its sketch of
Samuel Thompson, this seems a likely match: "On the 5th August, 1644,
it was agreed at a meeting of the Censors board, that at the instance
of Dr. Child, a letter should be sent to the mayor of Rochester, to
testify that Mr. Samuel Thomson is a man licensed to practice physic by
the College."
applying to this particular Samuel Thompson:
Saint Nicholas, Rochester, Kent --
Martha Tomson, dau. Samuel and Mary, bapt. 1 April 1647
William Tomson, son Samuel, bapt. 11 Nov. 1648
As the source linked to above mentions Rochester in its sketch of
Samuel Thompson, this seems a likely match: "On the 5th August, 1644,
it was agreed at a meeting of the Censors board, that at the instance
of Dr. Child, a letter should be sent to the mayor of Rochester, to
testify that Mr. Samuel Thomson is a man licensed to practice physic by
the College."
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John Brandon
Re: Mr. Cogswell's brother-in-law, Samuel Thompson, Doctor o
Is Dr. Child possibly the Robert Child associated with early New
England?
http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN0 ... bert+child
--from Savage's _Genealogical Dictionary_:
[CHILD], ROBERT, Boston, a physician, came from Northfleet, Co. Kent,
was bred at Corpus Christi Coll. Cambridge, and proceed. A. B. 1631, A.
M. 35, had stud. says Hutch. I. 145, at Padua, and there, perhaps, had
his M. D. may have resid. short time at Watertown, unit. with others of
that town in petitn. for the gr. of Lancaster; but he was not own. of
any ld. at W. In Oct. 1645 he purch. large tract in Maine, kn. as the
Vines patent, when the propr. was going to Barbados, but of course he
had no purpose to make settlem. See Folsom, 75, 8, and Willis, I. 52.
Next yr. he great. alarm. the governm. of Mass. by a petitn. for
enlargem. of privileges, wh. by Drake, 292, is oddly ascrib. to
Episcopalians, as if that depressed party could gain any thing from the
triumph. Presbyterians in Parliam. Our Gen. Ct. in Nov. thereupon
issued a Declaration, strange. undignif. against him and his assoc.
Part of the denunciat. against C. is that he was a bachelor. Few state
papers will afford so much amusement. See Hutch. Coll. 211, also
Winslow's N. E. Salamander Discover. and Winthrop Hist. II. 291. In
1647 he went home, and did not come back. Of this name, includ. that of
Childs (wh. tho. differ. can by no means be disting. in old rec.)
Farmer saw the gr. in 1828, were, at Harv. five; Yale, four; and only
three at all the other N. E. coll.
England?
http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN0 ... bert+child
--from Savage's _Genealogical Dictionary_:
[CHILD], ROBERT, Boston, a physician, came from Northfleet, Co. Kent,
was bred at Corpus Christi Coll. Cambridge, and proceed. A. B. 1631, A.
M. 35, had stud. says Hutch. I. 145, at Padua, and there, perhaps, had
his M. D. may have resid. short time at Watertown, unit. with others of
that town in petitn. for the gr. of Lancaster; but he was not own. of
any ld. at W. In Oct. 1645 he purch. large tract in Maine, kn. as the
Vines patent, when the propr. was going to Barbados, but of course he
had no purpose to make settlem. See Folsom, 75, 8, and Willis, I. 52.
Next yr. he great. alarm. the governm. of Mass. by a petitn. for
enlargem. of privileges, wh. by Drake, 292, is oddly ascrib. to
Episcopalians, as if that depressed party could gain any thing from the
triumph. Presbyterians in Parliam. Our Gen. Ct. in Nov. thereupon
issued a Declaration, strange. undignif. against him and his assoc.
Part of the denunciat. against C. is that he was a bachelor. Few state
papers will afford so much amusement. See Hutch. Coll. 211, also
Winslow's N. E. Salamander Discover. and Winthrop Hist. II. 291. In
1647 he went home, and did not come back. Of this name, includ. that of
Childs (wh. tho. differ. can by no means be disting. in old rec.)
Farmer saw the gr. in 1828, were, at Harv. five; Yale, four; and only
three at all the other N. E. coll.
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John Brandon
Re: Mr. Cogswell's brother-in-law, Samuel Thompson, Doctor o
William Tomson, son Samuel, bapt. 11 Nov. 1648
Notice that the agreement between John Cogswell, Jr., and his uncle Dr.
Samuel Thompson mentioned that the child William Thompson would be ten
years old in 1658.
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John Brandon
Re: Mr. Cogswell's brother-in-law, Samuel Thompson, Doctor o
Has anyone looked recently at the article on Cogswell v. Cogswell in
_Proceedings of the Massachusetts Historical Society_, 2nd series,
17:77-87? Am I having a "false memory" episode, or do the letters
there quoted include one from John Cogswell, Jr., mentioning something
about telling Uncle Thompson of the death of his (Thompson's) daughter?
As John Cogswell's wife (whose identity is a complete mystery) had
died at some time previous to his trip to England, I wonder if the wife
had been a daughter of Dr. Samuel Thompson (in other words, John Jr.
had married his own first cousin)?
Both John and -----, and John III and Margaret, had sons called "Samuel
Coggswell."
_Proceedings of the Massachusetts Historical Society_, 2nd series,
17:77-87? Am I having a "false memory" episode, or do the letters
there quoted include one from John Cogswell, Jr., mentioning something
about telling Uncle Thompson of the death of his (Thompson's) daughter?
As John Cogswell's wife (whose identity is a complete mystery) had
died at some time previous to his trip to England, I wonder if the wife
had been a daughter of Dr. Samuel Thompson (in other words, John Jr.
had married his own first cousin)?
Both John and -----, and John III and Margaret, had sons called "Samuel
Coggswell."
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John Brandon
Re: Mr. Cogswell's brother-in-law, Samuel Thompson, Doctor o
"Their good mother is with me,---so hath been these six years, a
continual damage and a great sorrow ..."
This may not have been anything as dramatic as insanity, and quite
possibly was a mere physical condition (such as paralysis caused by
stroke?).
continual damage and a great sorrow ..."
This may not have been anything as dramatic as insanity, and quite
possibly was a mere physical condition (such as paralysis caused by
stroke?).
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John Brandon
Re: Mr. Cogswell's brother-in-law, Samuel Thompson, Doctor o
Some snippets from the article (not very legible) ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=DE87EH ... her&pgis=1
http://books.google.com/books?id=DE87EH ... ter&pgis=1
http://books.google.com/books?id=DE87EH ... her&pgis=1
http://books.google.com/books?id=DE87EH ... age&pgis=1
http://books.google.com/books?id=DE87EH ... ton&pgis=1
http://books.google.com/books?id=DE87EH ... ldo&pgis=1
http://books.google.com/books?id=DE87EH ... lar&pgis=1
http://books.google.com/books?vid=0uX9F ... son&pgis=1
Guess I'll have to check the microfilm (hate it).
http://books.google.com/books?id=DE87EH ... her&pgis=1
http://books.google.com/books?id=DE87EH ... ter&pgis=1
http://books.google.com/books?id=DE87EH ... her&pgis=1
http://books.google.com/books?id=DE87EH ... age&pgis=1
http://books.google.com/books?id=DE87EH ... ton&pgis=1
http://books.google.com/books?id=DE87EH ... ldo&pgis=1
http://books.google.com/books?id=DE87EH ... lar&pgis=1
http://books.google.com/books?vid=0uX9F ... son&pgis=1
Guess I'll have to check the microfilm (hate it).
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John Brandon
Re: Mr. Cogswell's brother-in-law, Samuel Thompson, Doctor o
The following extracted IGI records are somewhat interesting:
Billingborough, Lincoln
Elizabeth Thomson, daughter of Samuell, 28 October 1632
John Thomson, son of Samuel and Mary, 23 May 1634 (died 25 May)
Could this Elizabeth be the wife of John Cogswell, Jr., (if her father
had been a minister for a brief period before turning to medicine)?
The following source shows that John Cogswell III was 27 in 1678, hence
born in 1651:
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/salem/wit ... ex117.html
Using the following information (that Elizabeth Cogswell was age 6 the
same year her brothers John and Samuel were 4 and 3, respectively), I
deriving the birth years of
Elizabeth = 1649
John = 1651
Samuel = 1652
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/salem/wit ... ex161.html
Of course, the Oxford matriculation records may show this arrangement
is impossible ...
Billingborough, Lincoln
Elizabeth Thomson, daughter of Samuell, 28 October 1632
John Thomson, son of Samuel and Mary, 23 May 1634 (died 25 May)
Could this Elizabeth be the wife of John Cogswell, Jr., (if her father
had been a minister for a brief period before turning to medicine)?
The following source shows that John Cogswell III was 27 in 1678, hence
born in 1651:
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/salem/wit ... ex117.html
Using the following information (that Elizabeth Cogswell was age 6 the
same year her brothers John and Samuel were 4 and 3, respectively), I
deriving the birth years of
Elizabeth = 1649
John = 1651
Samuel = 1652
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/salem/wit ... ex161.html
Of course, the Oxford matriculation records may show this arrangement
is impossible ...
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John Matthews
Re: Mr. Cogswell's brother-in-law, Samuel Thompson, Doctor o
John Brandon wrote:
I am under the impression that John Cogswell and Elizabeth Thomson were
on the Angel Gabriel in 1635 and at that date they already had (at
least) two children. This seems to rule out Elizabeth being the person
quoted above. Was there another marriage between a John Cogswell and an
Elizabeth Thomson?
John Matthews
The following extracted IGI records are somewhat interesting:
Billingborough, Lincoln
Elizabeth Thomson, daughter of Samuell, 28 October 1632
John Thomson, son of Samuel and Mary, 23 May 1634 (died 25 May)
Could this Elizabeth be the wife of John Cogswell, Jr., (if her father
had been a minister for a brief period before turning to medicine)?
I am under the impression that John Cogswell and Elizabeth Thomson were
on the Angel Gabriel in 1635 and at that date they already had (at
least) two children. This seems to rule out Elizabeth being the person
quoted above. Was there another marriage between a John Cogswell and an
Elizabeth Thomson?
John Matthews
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John Brandon
Re: Mr. Cogswell's brother-in-law, Samuel Thompson, Doctor o
I am under the impression that John Cogswell and Elizabeth Thomson were
on the Angel Gabriel in 1635 and at that date they already had (at
least) two children. This seems to rule out Elizabeth being the person
quoted above. Was there another marriage between a John Cogswell and an
Elizabeth Thomson?
John and Elizabeth who came in the Angel Gabriel had children born at
least as early as 1620. One of these was John, Jr., who (I speculate)
may have married his cousin, the daughter of Samuel Thompson, Doctor of
Physic.
Do you have access to the Oxford records, so we can get some idea of
the dates of the Samuel Thomson/ Thompson of Magdalen College?
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John Brandon
Re: Mr. Cogswell's brother-in-law, Samuel Thompson, Doctor o
One OCLC record I checked gives the title page of _Exercitations and
Meditations Upon Some Texts of Holy Scripture_ as stating: "By Samuel
Thomsonn, M.A. and Doctor of Physick; formerly student in Magdalen-Hall
in Oxford." But they assign this work to a certain Samuel Thomson,
"b. 1643?"
Meditations Upon Some Texts of Holy Scripture_ as stating: "By Samuel
Thomsonn, M.A. and Doctor of Physick; formerly student in Magdalen-Hall
in Oxford." But they assign this work to a certain Samuel Thomson,
"b. 1643?"
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John Brandon
Re: Mr. Cogswell's brother-in-law, Samuel Thompson, Doctor o
It looks like there may be something on Dr. Samuel Thomsonn in John A.
Raach, _A Directory of English Country Physicians, 1603-1643_ (1962),
p. 106.
Raach, _A Directory of English Country Physicians, 1603-1643_ (1962),
p. 106.
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John Matthews
Re: Mr. Cogswell's brother-in-law, Samuel Thompson, Doctor o
John Brandon wrote:
I don't have easy access to the Oxford records. I'll put it on my "to
do" list though.
John Matthews
Do you have access to the Oxford records, so we can get some idea of
the dates of the Samuel Thomson/ Thompson of Magdalen College?
I don't have easy access to the Oxford records. I'll put it on my "to
do" list though.
John Matthews
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Gordon and Jane Kirkemo
RE: Mr. Cogswell's brother-in-law, Samuel Thompson, Doctor o
John,
Elizabeth Thompson was the daughter of the Rev. William Thompson, Vicar of
Westbury Parish in Wiltshire from 1603-his death in 1623. My information
suggests that Elizabeth was born about 1594 in Westbury Leigh to William and
Phillis Thompson. There is a recording in the Westbury Register showing a
marriage between John Cogswell and Elizabeth Thompson on 10 Sep 1615. They
came on the ship Angel Gabriel which went aground in a storm off the coast
of New England in 1635. John Cogswell died in 1669 and Elizabeth died in
1676. They were residents of Ipswich in Massachusetts.
It appears that the Rev. Samuel Thompson was the youngest brother of
Elizabeth. My information also suggests that Samuel's son William lived
with his uncle John Cogswell for many years in Ipswich, MA.
My sources include the following:
"The Cogswells in America" by E.O. Jameson.
"Descendants of John Cogswell" by Donald James Cogswell.
"The Great Migration--Immigrants to New England 1634-1635," Volume II, C-F,
by Robert Charles Anderson, George F. Sanborn, Jr., and Melinde Lutz
Sanborn.
"New England Marriages Prior to 1700," by Clarence Torrey.
If anyone is interested they might also want to consult the Cogswell Family
Association at http://www.cogswell.org/index.htm for further information
about the Cogswells.
I hope this is helpful.
Sincerely,
Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: John Brandon [mailto:starbuck95@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:09 AM
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Mr. Cogswell's brother-in-law, Samuel Thompson, Doctor of
Physic
Has anyone looked recently at the article on Cogswell v. Cogswell in
_Proceedings of the Massachusetts Historical Society_, 2nd series,
17:77-87? Am I having a "false memory" episode, or do the letters
there quoted include one from John Cogswell, Jr., mentioning something
about telling Uncle Thompson of the death of his (Thompson's) daughter?
As John Cogswell's wife (whose identity is a complete mystery) had
died at some time previous to his trip to England, I wonder if the wife
had been a daughter of Dr. Samuel Thompson (in other words, John Jr.
had married his own first cousin)?
Both John and -----, and John III and Margaret, had sons called "Samuel
Coggswell."
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Elizabeth Thompson was the daughter of the Rev. William Thompson, Vicar of
Westbury Parish in Wiltshire from 1603-his death in 1623. My information
suggests that Elizabeth was born about 1594 in Westbury Leigh to William and
Phillis Thompson. There is a recording in the Westbury Register showing a
marriage between John Cogswell and Elizabeth Thompson on 10 Sep 1615. They
came on the ship Angel Gabriel which went aground in a storm off the coast
of New England in 1635. John Cogswell died in 1669 and Elizabeth died in
1676. They were residents of Ipswich in Massachusetts.
It appears that the Rev. Samuel Thompson was the youngest brother of
Elizabeth. My information also suggests that Samuel's son William lived
with his uncle John Cogswell for many years in Ipswich, MA.
My sources include the following:
"The Cogswells in America" by E.O. Jameson.
"Descendants of John Cogswell" by Donald James Cogswell.
"The Great Migration--Immigrants to New England 1634-1635," Volume II, C-F,
by Robert Charles Anderson, George F. Sanborn, Jr., and Melinde Lutz
Sanborn.
"New England Marriages Prior to 1700," by Clarence Torrey.
If anyone is interested they might also want to consult the Cogswell Family
Association at http://www.cogswell.org/index.htm for further information
about the Cogswells.
I hope this is helpful.
Sincerely,
Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: John Brandon [mailto:starbuck95@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:09 AM
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Mr. Cogswell's brother-in-law, Samuel Thompson, Doctor of
Physic
Has anyone looked recently at the article on Cogswell v. Cogswell in
_Proceedings of the Massachusetts Historical Society_, 2nd series,
17:77-87? Am I having a "false memory" episode, or do the letters
there quoted include one from John Cogswell, Jr., mentioning something
about telling Uncle Thompson of the death of his (Thompson's) daughter?
As John Cogswell's wife (whose identity is a complete mystery) had
died at some time previous to his trip to England, I wonder if the wife
had been a daughter of Dr. Samuel Thompson (in other words, John Jr.
had married his own first cousin)?
Both John and -----, and John III and Margaret, had sons called "Samuel
Coggswell."
______________________________
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John Brandon
Re: Mr. Cogswell's brother-in-law, Samuel Thompson, Doctor o
I hope this is helpful.
Yes, thanks, it all seems accurate.