Sir Alexander Temple's wife, Margaret Griffin - continued

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John Matthews

Sir Alexander Temple's wife, Margaret Griffin - continued

Legg inn av John Matthews » 17 aug 2006 08:12:29

About six weeks ago, John Brandon drew attention to the following
Griffin baptisms.

"These extracted baptisms look about right:

*** Saint Mary, Stafford ***


--Margaret Griffin, dau. of Peter, 24 Jan. 1561.
--Wm. Gryffin, son of Peter and Agnes, 18 July 1565.
--Valentine Gryffyn, son of Peter and Agnes, 16 Feb. 1567.
--Jack [sic; recte Isack] Griffin, son of Peter and Agnes, 13 Dec.
1568. "

Could this Margaret Griffin, the daughter of a Peter Griffin, who was
baptised in Stafford be the second wife of Sir Alexander Temple?.
Intriguingly, she had a brother Valentine which matches the Griffin
visitation pedigree and if Jack is really Izack, that is another match.

But this baptism was in 1561, which would have made her 22 years older
than Sir Alexander. This is surely too old to be a likely choice as his
wife and in any case, this Peter's wife appears to have been called
Agnes while the visitation pedigree says Ann.

It's possible that the Margaret Griffin baptised in 1561 may be Sir
Alexander's wife's aunt, making her father, Peter, the grandfather
of the Margaret who married Sir Alexander.

It is entirely plausible that Peter having children in the 1560s should
have a son Peter who would in turn have a daughter Margaret of a
suitable age for marriage around 1616, but I have found no evidence to
support this. Finding the marriage between Peter Griffin and Ann Leigh
would help sort this out.

John Matthews

John Brandon

Re: Sir Alexander Temple's wife, Margaret Griffin - continue

Legg inn av John Brandon » 17 aug 2006 12:39:00

You are forgetting about the Visitation Pedigree which shows that the
second Peter Griffin d.s.p.

http://books.google.com/books?id=jP5Nqn ... ay&jtp=135

I'm certain that "Jack" must be "Isack," as people weren't baptized by
nicknames in this period. Also, Ann and Agnes could be interchangable
at this time.

Do we have a certain date of birth (or baptism) for Alexander Temple?

John Brandon

Re: Sir Alexander Temple's wife, Margaret Griffin - continue

Legg inn av John Brandon » 17 aug 2006 12:46:37

Also, the first Margaret Griffin may have died young, allowing for the
birth of a second one closer in age to Alexander Temple.

John Matthews

Re: Sir Alexander Temple's wife, Margaret Griffin - continue

Legg inn av John Matthews » 17 aug 2006 16:11:28

John Brandon wrote:
Also, the first Margaret Griffin may have died young, allowing for the
birth of a second one closer in age to Alexander Temple.

You're right, I had forgotten that Peter Griffin is recorded as dying
without children. But the age of Sir Alexander Temple is fairly secure.
There is a transcript of the Stowe registers which gives his baptism as
Feb 9th 1582/3; his portrait says he was 37 in 1620 and he twice gave
his age in depositions in Chancery - both times consistent with a birth
in 1592/3.

That leaves the possibility of a second Margaret Griffin baptised after
1568. If we assume Peter was born before 1561 and baptised in his
mother's parish, there are still 3 missing siblings from the visitation
plus the hypothetical second Margaret. She could easily be born in the
late 1570s or (at a stretch) early in the 1580s.

She would still (probably) be older than Sir Alexander, but not by
much. If she was born around 1580, she would have been in her early to
mid thirties at the time of her marriage to Sir Alexander.

This does raise the possibility of her having an earlier husband. If
she had some wealth inherited from a first husband, it would be
understandable that she would want the marriage settlement to give her
the right to dispose of this. This could explain the relatively unusual
will.

It would be helpful to find a burial for the first Margaret Griffin,
not to mention the missing baptisms. Phillimore says that the registers
for the second Stafford parish (St Chad) do not begin until 1636.
Perhaps the Griffins moved after 1568.

John Matthews

John Matthews

Re: Sir Alexander Temple's wife, Margaret Griffin - continue

Legg inn av John Matthews » 17 aug 2006 16:19:09

John Brandon wrote:
You are forgetting about the Visitation Pedigree which shows that the
second Peter Griffin d.s.p.


Actually what I had in mind was that the Peter in the visitation was
the son of the Peter who fathered Margaret in 1561. But this doesn't
work because the visitation gives Peter's father as Edward.

John Matthews

John Brandon

Re: Sir Alexander Temple's wife, Margaret Griffin - continue

Legg inn av John Brandon » 17 aug 2006 16:19:36

I have no problem with her being considerably older than AT, even five
or ten years older. She was probably a religious lady with many
ethereal qualities to recommend her.

John Matthews

Re: Sir Alexander Temple's wife, Margaret Griffin - continue

Legg inn av John Matthews » 17 aug 2006 17:23:54

John Brandon wrote:
I have no problem with her being considerably older than AT, even five
or ten years older. She was probably a religious lady with many
ethereal qualities to recommend her.

No doubt she did indeed have these ethereal qualities, but to judge by
his other marriages, a large dowry will have magnified the lady's
attractions.

John Matthews

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