sibling of the perleoni clan

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sibling of the perleoni clan

Legg inn av b3141 » 16 aug 2006 13:15:42

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... julie.. b3141 ... it SEEMS that some ascribe pierleoni lineage to
one of the wives of sicily's roger II.. possibly a sister of
anti-pope anaclete II or anacletus II. Which wife would have been
the pierleoni woman ?


It might have been that anaclete {peter pierleoni} and tropea
pierleoni and giordano pierleoni were siblings. I suppose i'm asking
re identity of any other female siblings who could have been roger's
spouse. Merci for responses.
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taf

Re: sibling of the perleoni clan

Legg inn av taf » 17 aug 2006 06:05:34

b3141 wrote:
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.. julie.. b3141 ... it SEEMS that some ascribe pierleoni lineage to
one of the wives of sicily's roger II.. possibly a sister of
anti-pope anaclete II or anacletus II. Which wife would have been
the pierleoni woman ?

None of them. This apparently resulted from a confusion between
Pierleoni and the Iberian kingdom of Leon. The wife usually identified
as a member of the Pierleoni (for example, by Turton) was in fact
Elvira Alfonso, daughter of Alfonso VI, King of Leon.

Gjest

Re: sibling of the perleoni clan

Legg inn av Gjest » 17 aug 2006 10:31:39

b3141 escreveu:
`
.. julie.. b3141 ... it SEEMS that some ascribe pierleoni lineage to
one of the wives of sicily's roger II.. possibly a sister of
anti-pope anaclete II or anacletus II. Which wife would have been
the pierleoni woman ?


It might have been that anaclete {peter pierleoni} and tropea
pierleoni and giordano pierleoni were siblings. I suppose i'm asking
re identity of any other female siblings who could have been roger's
spouse. Merci for responses.
`

Aucune des trois épouses de Ruggero II - Elvira de Castilla, Sibylle
de Bourgogne et Béatrix de Rethel - avait point de sang Pierleoni.
Les références a une liaison Pierleoni-Altavilla ne semblent pas
avoir quelque base soutenable et se faisent par une hipothétique
première marriage ou liaison de Ruggero.

Comme frères de Pietro, je ne connait que Giovanni, Leoni, Ruggero et
Giordano. Aucune soeur identifiée (Tropea c'est une ville de
Calabria qui a été origine de noms de famille mais pas, de ma
conaissance, de noms propres). La seule source de ma connaissance que
refère l'hipothétique soeur mariée avec Ruggero II, c'est
l'Enciclopédique Hebraique aussi la seule que nomme le premier
Baruch(?) chrétien comme Benedictus Christianus et non Leo Benedictus.

Si vraiment Anaclète II était beau-frère de Ruggero, serait bien
probable que ça serait documenté ou, par exemple, referencié dans le
document de 27.9.1130 dans lequel Anaclète investi Ruggero comme roi
de Sicilie.

Amicalement,
Francisco Tavares de Almeida
(Portugal)

b3141

tropea among pierleoni

Legg inn av b3141 » 19 aug 2006 01:12:40

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.. julie... b3141 ... Large thank you to taf and francisco for
responses. tropea pierleoni is mentioned .... at
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GE ... 0931067018
.... noting her marriage to count of tusculum tolomeo II or ptolomeo II

one or two snippets on-lline concerning GOSSIP of tropea's putative
incestuous affair with her brother pierleoni anti--pope anaclete II ...
aka anacletus II

i had assumed that it woudl have been tropea's sister who wed one of
the siclian rogers. Probably taf and francisco are correct in averring
that somebody mistakenly confused 'elvira of leon' with a pierleoni
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