William de Caldecotis, and Sir James Douglas of Dalkeith (d.

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William de Caldecotis, and Sir James Douglas of Dalkeith (d.

Legg inn av Gjest » 15 aug 2006 04:11:01

Monday, 14 August, 2006


Dear Alex, et al.,

An additional item has been located concerning the Caldecote (or
de Caldecotis) family, a charter in the Registrum Honoris de Morton.
This charter is all the more interesting, in that it provides
additional support for information provided by you in a previous
SGM post in June of this year [1].

The charter in question is available online, and given the
numerous contractions and gaps in the text I will provide the URL
for same in lieu of providing a poor version in this message [2].
In brief, this is a charter of Sir James Douglas, lord of Dalkeith
(d. 1420) dated 8 May 1388, granting the lands of 'Hutone' in
Annandale to William de Caldecotis and his wife Christiana. These
lands had evidently been held by William's father John de Caldecotis
(called " Jo... de Traune[ ]t p[at]ris d[i]c[t]i Will[ielm]i " in
the text, p. 164). This would appear to be the same land as that
called 'Hutton under the Moor' by Cameron Smith (see note [1] below).

The text does not specify any relationship between Sir James
Douglas and Christiana, wife of William de Caldecotis, but she has
been identified as Christiana de Tweedie, daughter of Walter de
Tweedie of Drumelzier [3], and recent threads on SGM have discussed
her identification as probably a granddaughter (or niece)
of Sir James Douglas [4]. There are gaps in the charter text
but whether these leave sufficient room for a relationship
["nepta" ?] to have been mentioned in part of the original text (now
missing) is less than certain.

The chronology does appear to leave open the possibility that
Christiana (de Tweedie) de Caldecotis was a granddaughter of Sir
James Douglas - I plan to discuss this aspect at a later point. I
believe as previously stated that the mother of Christiana was
an illegitimate daughter of Sir James Douglas of Dalkeith, and
likely a full sister of his other illegitimate issue, including
Margaret Douglas (wife of Philip de Arbuthnott), as illustrated
in the following chart previously discussed.


NN ~ Sir James Douglas of Dalkeith = 1) Agnes Dunbar
I ' the elder ' I [ = 2) Egidia Stewart]
I d. 1420 ________I__________________
I I I
NN = Walter Tweedie Agnes = Sir John Sir James
I of Drumelzier Douglas I Livingston 'uncle'
_ _ _I_______________ d. aft I k. Homildon of Elizabeth
I I I 1421 I 1402 Tweedie <*>
James Elizabeth Christian I
Tweedie 'neptem' = William I_______
of Sir de Caldcotis I
James I I
Douglas <*> I I
Elizabeth = William Livingston
de Caldcotis I of Kilsyth
m. bef 12 Nov 1421 I d. bef 20 Apr 1460
<dispensation> I
V


I have not found further Caldecote references as yet in the
Registrum Honoris de Morton beyond the subject charter, but will
advise if a more detailed read of the text turns up further details.
Besides the current matter, these charters offer a wealth of detail
concerning the Douglas of Dalkeith and related families during the
14th and 15th centuries - and both earlier and later, concerning
other individuals of interest.

Cheers,

John *









NOTES:

[1] Alex Maxwell Findlater, <Caldecotis>, SGM, 20 June 2006.
The message commences as follows:

' I have come across a mention of this elusive family:

Trans Dumfries & Galloway etc Vol XXIII, 1940-44, p 77, article
on Boys by Cameron Smith:


" There is however a charter preserved in HM Register House which
mentions the late William de Boys, lord of Hallathys in Annandale under the
year 1379. His spouse, who had survived him, was Elena de
Caldicotis, daughter of John de Caldicotis, lord of Hutton under the
Moor. her mother was Mariota (Marion) de Crawford, daughter of the
late Thomas de Crawford, Elena's grandfather on the mother's side.


"The lands had been destined to the heirs of Elena's marriage, but
these rights she then resigned at the date mentioned, so presumably the lands
remained with the Caldicoties family or their assignees. (There is no
evidence that the lord of Halleaths had left any heir by his marriage with Elena.)"


...... '


[2] Thomas Thomson, ed., Registrum Honoris de Morton: A series of
Ancient Charters of the Earldom of Morton with other Original
Papers in Two Volumes (Edinburgh: J. Constable, for the
Bannatyne Club, 1853), II:164-5, no. 187. The URL for same,
accessible through Google Books, follows:

http://books.google.com/books?ie=ISO-88 ... 16023841&d
q=meneteth&jtp=164


[3] ' Caldecote, Christiana, widow of William Caldecote, daughter of
Walter Twedy. A shield of arms: A saltire and chief, the latter
charged with a star in dexter and two escallops. Legend
(l.c.): KYRSTIANE DE CALDCOTTIS. Diam. 1 3/16 in. Laing, ii.
158. Reg. Ho. Ch., 6 Jan. 1424-5, two of same date - Cast. '
John Horne Stevenson, K.C. and Marguerite Wood, Ph.D., Scottish
Heraldic Seals: Royal, Official, Ecclesiastical, Collegiate,
Burghal, Personal (Glasgow: printed by Robert MacLehose & Coy.,
Limited at the University Press, 1940), II:268.


[4] See <Tweedie of Drumelzier (was SP Addition: ancestry of
Elizabeth de Caldcotis..)>, SGM, May 2006; also <SP Addition:
ancestry of Elizabeth de Caldcotis (and Livingston of Kilsyth)>,
SGM, May 2006.



* John P. Ravilious

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