Some random thoughts on the July issue of the NEHGR
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John Brandon
Some random thoughts on the July issue of the NEHGR
I thought the article by Martha Lynes on the "Ancestry of William1
Chittenden of Guilford, Connecticut" was quite good, but would have
liked to have seen at least a mention of the Plymouth Colony Chittenden
family (my ancestors)--even if it was only a note stating that they
could not be placed among the Chittendens being treated. See
http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN0 ... en+rebecca
As Thomas1 Chittenden of Scituate had a wife Rebecca, it's evident he
must be the Thomas who married Rebecca Bamfort at Wouldham, Kent, 8
Aug. 1621 (from the extracted IGI). So the Scituate family was also
from Kent; perhaps they weren't mentioned because Wouldham is quite
distant from Hawkhurst (?).
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Patricia Law Hatcher's article on the Marshalls of Essex County (Mass.)
has the following on p. 197:
In a not-totally-amicable settlement of the estate of John Cogswell,
James Coleman gave a deposition in 1675 about timber cutting:
This deponent testifieth that I liveing with Mr William Cogswell that
the sd Mr Wm: Cogswell did imploy me ^to help him^ [interlined] to
sale, cutt off & cary aways both oake & pine timber of from that of the
farms which is Mr John Cogwells before the said John was one & twenty
years old, & according to my Judgment a greate deale of timber the said
Mr Cogswell did carry of[f] from the sd Johns farme & further saith
not, sworne before me Aprill:15:75 Daniell Denison vera copia ateste
Hilliard veren Clericus:[fn. 86]
[fn 86]Suffolk County Court Files, Case 162146 [FHL 0,946,532]. The
case was presented in Suffolk County court, but the deposition was
given in Essex County, as is apparent from the names of the witness and
clerk.
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This makes a fourth location in which are deposited documents from the
case of Cogswell v. Cogswell, called a "singular lawsuit" in
_Proceedings of the Massachusetts Historical Society_, 2nd series,
17:77-87, or a "somewhat noted" case in _NEHGR_. The locations are:
1. Volume 39 of the Massachusetts Bay Records (this is stated in the
_Proc. Mass. Hist. Soc._ article mentioned above).
2. A deed book of Old Norfolk County, Mass. (now Rockingham Co., New
Hampshire) -- also mentioned in the _Proc. Mass. Hist. Soc._ article).
3. _Records and Files of the Essex County Quarterly Courts_. For
instance, vol. 6, p. 151 + ... See
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/salem/wit ... ex151.html
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4. The Suffolk County Court Files mentioned in Mrs. Hatcher's article,
above.
And a possible fifth location I've just noted is the Massachusetts
Supreme Court of Judicature Records (from the Google Books reference
below) ...
http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN3 ... +v.&pgis=1
Chittenden of Guilford, Connecticut" was quite good, but would have
liked to have seen at least a mention of the Plymouth Colony Chittenden
family (my ancestors)--even if it was only a note stating that they
could not be placed among the Chittendens being treated. See
http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN0 ... en+rebecca
As Thomas1 Chittenden of Scituate had a wife Rebecca, it's evident he
must be the Thomas who married Rebecca Bamfort at Wouldham, Kent, 8
Aug. 1621 (from the extracted IGI). So the Scituate family was also
from Kent; perhaps they weren't mentioned because Wouldham is quite
distant from Hawkhurst (?).
-----------
Patricia Law Hatcher's article on the Marshalls of Essex County (Mass.)
has the following on p. 197:
In a not-totally-amicable settlement of the estate of John Cogswell,
James Coleman gave a deposition in 1675 about timber cutting:
This deponent testifieth that I liveing with Mr William Cogswell that
the sd Mr Wm: Cogswell did imploy me ^to help him^ [interlined] to
sale, cutt off & cary aways both oake & pine timber of from that of the
farms which is Mr John Cogwells before the said John was one & twenty
years old, & according to my Judgment a greate deale of timber the said
Mr Cogswell did carry of[f] from the sd Johns farme & further saith
not, sworne before me Aprill:15:75 Daniell Denison vera copia ateste
Hilliard veren Clericus:[fn. 86]
[fn 86]Suffolk County Court Files, Case 162146 [FHL 0,946,532]. The
case was presented in Suffolk County court, but the deposition was
given in Essex County, as is apparent from the names of the witness and
clerk.
* * * *
This makes a fourth location in which are deposited documents from the
case of Cogswell v. Cogswell, called a "singular lawsuit" in
_Proceedings of the Massachusetts Historical Society_, 2nd series,
17:77-87, or a "somewhat noted" case in _NEHGR_. The locations are:
1. Volume 39 of the Massachusetts Bay Records (this is stated in the
_Proc. Mass. Hist. Soc._ article mentioned above).
2. A deed book of Old Norfolk County, Mass. (now Rockingham Co., New
Hampshire) -- also mentioned in the _Proc. Mass. Hist. Soc._ article).
3. _Records and Files of the Essex County Quarterly Courts_. For
instance, vol. 6, p. 151 + ... See
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/salem/wit ... ex151.html
..
4. The Suffolk County Court Files mentioned in Mrs. Hatcher's article,
above.
And a possible fifth location I've just noted is the Massachusetts
Supreme Court of Judicature Records (from the Google Books reference
below) ...
http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN3 ... +v.&pgis=1
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John Brandon
Re: Some random thoughts on the July issue of the NEHGR
I know that the parentage given for William Chittenden in Flagg's
Founding of
New England is wrong.
The correct ancestry was found by Charles Banks about 80 years ago,
but it apparently was never widely known.
Weird that Lynes doesn't mention Charles Banks at all.
Is Thomas of Scituate any connection of William?
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Gjest
Re: Some random thoughts on the July issue of the NEHGR
I dont know anything about the ancestry of Thomas.
If his parents didnt leave wills, well, good luck....
Leslie
John Brandon wrote:
If his parents didnt leave wills, well, good luck....
Leslie
John Brandon wrote:
I know that the parentage given for William Chittenden in Flagg's
Founding of
New England is wrong.
The correct ancestry was found by Charles Banks about 80 years ago,
but it apparently was never widely known.
Weird that Lynes doesn't mention Charles Banks at all.
Is Thomas of Scituate any connection of William?
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Gjest
Re: Some random thoughts on the July issue of the NEHGR
John Brandon schrieb:
I haven't seen a copy of this article. Does Ms Lynes state that William
Chittenden of Guilford was from Hawkhurst in Kent? Is he to be equated
with William Chittenden, baptised at Hawkhurst 3 February 1621/2 by any
chance?
I thought the article by Martha Lynes on the "Ancestry of William1
Chittenden of Guilford, Connecticut" was quite good, but would have
liked to have seen at least a mention of the Plymouth Colony Chittenden
family (my ancestors)--even if it was only a note stating that they
could not be placed among the Chittendens being treated.
I haven't seen a copy of this article. Does Ms Lynes state that William
Chittenden of Guilford was from Hawkhurst in Kent? Is he to be equated
with William Chittenden, baptised at Hawkhurst 3 February 1621/2 by any
chance?
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Gjest
Re: Some random thoughts on the July issue of the NEHGR
mjcar@btinternet.com schrieb:
Ah, I see from other online material that it is his probable uncle,
born a generation earlier.
John Brandon schrieb:
I thought the article by Martha Lynes on the "Ancestry of William1
Chittenden of Guilford, Connecticut" was quite good, but would have
liked to have seen at least a mention of the Plymouth Colony Chittenden
family (my ancestors)--even if it was only a note stating that they
could not be placed among the Chittendens being treated.
I haven't seen a copy of this article. Does Ms Lynes state that William
Chittenden of Guilford was from Hawkhurst in Kent? Is he to be equated
with William Chittenden, baptised at Hawkhurst 3 February 1621/2 by any
chance?
Ah, I see from other online material that it is his probable uncle,
born a generation earlier.
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John Brandon
Re: Some random thoughts on the July issue of the NEHGR
I haven't seen a copy of this article. Does Ms Lynes state that William
Chittenden of Guilford was from Hawkhurst in Kent? Is he to be equated
with William Chittenden, baptised at Hawkhurst 3 February 1621/2 by any
chance?
Ah, I see from other online material that it is his probable uncle,
born a generation earlier.
I don't see that she places that William Chittenden at all, though she
does list the baptism in the parish register extracts. So don't know
what to say about that ...
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Gjest
Re: Some random thoughts on the July issue of the NEHGR
The item about the maternal ancestry of Rev. John Eliot &
his many siblings is an important discovery.
Notice that Gary Roberts has finally posted a new column.
Leslie
John Brandon wrote:
his many siblings is an important discovery.
Notice that Gary Roberts has finally posted a new column.
Leslie
John Brandon wrote:
I thought the article by Martha Lynes on the "Ancestry of William1
Chittenden of Guilford, Connecticut" was quite good, but would have
liked to have seen at least a mention of the Plymouth Colony Chittenden
family (my ancestors)--even if it was only a note stating that they
could not be placed among the Chittendens being treated. See
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John Brandon
Re: Some random thoughts on the July issue of the NEHGR
The item about the maternal ancestry of Rev. John Eliot &
his many siblings is an important discovery.
Your article on Collin-Newman-Cheever in the new TAG was interesting,
as well. I'm guessing that the Wysse pedigree (p. 62) and the Meade
pedigree (pp. 69-70) in the 1575 Visitation of Cambridge may be helpful
in illuminating certain peripheral issues ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=IC8EAA ... uff&jtp=62
http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN1 ... gent.+suff
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Gjest
Re: Some random thoughts on the July issue of the NEHGR
The next issue of TAG will have the English ancestry of Susan Wolfenden
(not Cranwell), wife of Thomas Marett of Cambridge, Mass.
Susan's mother was a member of the Chaplin family of Suffolk (lower
gentry).
The next issue of _The Genealogist_ will have extensive information on
the
maternal ancestry of Thomas Olcott of Hartford, Ct, which I believe,
goes into
the medieval period.
Leslie
John Brandon wrote:
(not Cranwell), wife of Thomas Marett of Cambridge, Mass.
Susan's mother was a member of the Chaplin family of Suffolk (lower
gentry).
The next issue of _The Genealogist_ will have extensive information on
the
maternal ancestry of Thomas Olcott of Hartford, Ct, which I believe,
goes into
the medieval period.
Leslie
John Brandon wrote:
The item about the maternal ancestry of Rev. John Eliot &
his many siblings is an important discovery.
Your article on Collin-Newman-Cheever in the new TAG was interesting,
as well. I'm guessing that the Wysse pedigree (p. 62) and the Meade
pedigree (pp. 69-70) in the 1575 Visitation of Cambridge may be helpful
in illuminating certain peripheral issues ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=IC8EAA ... uff&jtp=62
http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN1 ... gent.+suff