Pea was Re: Boudica

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Pea was Re: Boudica

Legg inn av Gjest » 07 aug 2006 01:26:02

In a message dated 8/6/06 4:20:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
leovdpas@netspeed.com.au writes:

<< Pea - (separate entry) a pea fowl ec.
Peacock - genus (Pavo) of large birds of the pheasant kind >>

That's sort of circular. A "Pea" is a "pea fowl" ?
What's a pea fowl? And why is this kind of fowl called "pea" ?

CE Wood

Re: Pea was Re: Boudica

Legg inn av CE Wood » 07 aug 2006 03:29:42

The Scientific Classification of Peafowl:

* Phylum: Chordata
* Sub-phylum: Vertebrata (Vertebrates)
* Class: Aves (Birds)
* Order: Galliformes
* Family: Phasianidae
* Sub-family: Phasianinae
* Genus: Pavo ¡
* Species: Pavo cristatus (blues) and Pavo muticus (Java greens)
* Subspecies for P. muticus: P.m. muticus|P.m. spicifer|P.m. imperator

There is another Genus [Afropavo] for the Congo peafowl. The sole known
species is Afropavo congensis. Very little is currently known about the
Congo peafowl, which was first scientifically recorded in 1936.

Peafowl are native to India, Burma, Java. Ceylon, Malaya. and
Congo. Peafowl are relatives of pheasants. The main difference between
peafowl and pheasants is in the plumage. Peafowl are very hardy birds
and with proper care, can live forty to fifty years. The term 'peafowl"
refers to the species name. The male is called the peacock and the
female is called the peahen. Offspring under the age of one year are
called peachicks.

CE Wood

WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 8/6/06 4:20:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
leovdpas@netspeed.com.au writes:

Pea - (separate entry) a pea fowl ec.
Peacock - genus (Pavo) of large birds of the pheasant kind

That's sort of circular. A "Pea" is a "pea fowl" ?
What's a pea fowl? And why is this kind of fowl called "pea" ?

Ginny Wagner

RE: Pea was Re: Boudica

Legg inn av Ginny Wagner » 07 aug 2006 05:25:02

This from White's Translation of a 12c Bestiary:

PAVO the Peacock is named after his voice.

'When a peacock sees his feet, he screams wildly, thinking
that they are not in keeping with the rest of his body'. --
Epiphanius

'The proud sun-bearing Peacock with his feathers
Walkes all along, thinking himself a king,
And with his voice prognosticates all weathers,
Although God knowes but badly he doth sing;
But when he lookes down to his base blacke Feete,
He droopes and is asham'd of things unmeete.'
--Chester, Love's Martyr

Ginny Wagner

"If still in images we see
When shall we grasp reality?"
-- Peter the Deacon

Mary Jane Battaglia

Re: Pea was Re: Boudica

Legg inn av Mary Jane Battaglia » 07 aug 2006 08:00:02

To those who responded about the meaning of "Pea;"

No doubt about it... (chuckle, chuckle!)...I am now duly informed about
"peas and peafowl!"
However, I dare not enlighten my neighbor since he is convinced that his
surname, PEABODY, evolved from Pea-Boadie which in the (and I quote here
from the Peabody Genealogy) "prefix 'pea' in the Cambri language, means a
significant hill or a mountain," hence "Pea-Boadie can be interpreted as
'mountain man'.."
Furthermore, one Peabody genealogist, Phebe Hanaford in "The Life of
George Peabody" (1870) claims that there was a Peabody among the knights of
the Round Table for the ".....name was first registered with due heraldic
honors by command of King Arthur himself in the Welsh highlands around the
year 500 A.D..."
Now, how about that!!!!
mjbattaglia
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Renia

Re: Pea was Re: Boudica

Legg inn av Renia » 07 aug 2006 11:45:45

Mary Jane Battaglia wrote:

To those who responded about the meaning of "Pea;"

No doubt about it... (chuckle, chuckle!)...I am now duly informed
about "peas and peafowl!"
However, I dare not enlighten my neighbor since he is convinced that
his surname, PEABODY, evolved from Pea-Boadie which in the (and I quote
here from the Peabody Genealogy) "prefix 'pea' in the Cambri language,
means a significant hill or a mountain," hence "Pea-Boadie can be
interpreted as 'mountain man'.."
Furthermore, one Peabody genealogist, Phebe Hanaford in "The Life of
George Peabody" (1870) claims that there was a Peabody among the knights
of the Round Table for the ".....name was first registered with due
heraldic honors by command of King Arthur himself in the Welsh highlands
around the year 500 A.D..."
Now, how about that!!!!
mjbattaglia

Wow. But I'm just glad your genealogist wasn't called Phoebe Peabody.
What a mouthful.

Tim Powys-Lybbe

Re: Pea was Re: Boudica

Legg inn av Tim Powys-Lybbe » 07 aug 2006 14:04:20

In message of 7 Aug, mjbatt@mindspring.com ("Mary Jane Battaglia") wrote:

To those who responded about the meaning of "Pea;"

No doubt about it... (chuckle, chuckle!)...I am now duly informed about
"peas and peafowl!"
However, I dare not enlighten my neighbor since he is convinced that his
surname, PEABODY, evolved from Pea-Boadie which in the (and I quote here
from the Peabody Genealogy) "prefix 'pea' in the Cambri language, means a
significant hill or a mountain," hence "Pea-Boadie can be interpreted as
'mountain man'.."
Furthermore, one Peabody genealogist, Phebe Hanaford in "The Life of
George Peabody" (1870) claims that there was a Peabody among the knights of
the Round Table for the ".....name was first registered with due heraldic
honors by command of King Arthur himself in the Welsh highlands around the
year 500 A.D..."

And in the rest of the world heraldry was not invented until c. 1125.

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org
             For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

Gjest

Re: Pea was Re: Boudica

Legg inn av Gjest » 07 aug 2006 23:08:59

However, I dare not enlighten my neighbor since he is convinced that his
surname, PEABODY, evolved from Pea-Boadie which in the (and I quote here
from the Peabody Genealogy) "prefix 'pea' in the Cambri language, means a
significant hill or a mountain,"

Can you give any example of pea having this meaning in a Welsh
place-name?

Furthermore, one Peabody genealogist, Phebe Hanaford in "The Life of
George Peabody" (1870) claims that there was a Peabody among the knights of
the Round Table for the ".....name was first registered with due heraldic
honors by command of King Arthur himself in the Welsh highlands around the
year 500 A.D..."

Did she quote a source for this information? Or did she just invent it?

Todd A. Farmerie

Re: Pea was Re: Boudica

Legg inn av Todd A. Farmerie » 08 aug 2006 00:34:40

paulvheath@gmail.com wrote:
However, I dare not enlighten my neighbor since he is convinced that his
surname, PEABODY, evolved from Pea-Boadie which in the (and I quote here
from the Peabody Genealogy) "prefix 'pea' in the Cambri language, means a
significant hill or a mountain,"


Can you give any example of pea having this meaning in a Welsh
place-name?

Unfortunately, there are so many 'just so stories' about such names that
it can be hard to sort out the true origins from all of the fantasy.


Furthermore, one Peabody genealogist, Phebe Hanaford in "The Life of
George Peabody" (1870) claims that there was a Peabody among the knights of
the Round Table for the ".....name was first registered with due heraldic
honors by command of King Arthur himself in the Welsh highlands around the
year 500 A.D..."


Did she quote a source for this information? Or did she just invent it?

It doesn't really matter. If she had a source, then her source invented
it. Setting aside the question of whether King Arthur ever existed,
heraldry (as described here, in association with specific families) does
not occur in Britain until 600 years later, and formal registration not
for another several centuries after that.

taf

Gjest

Re: Pea was Re: Boudica

Legg inn av Gjest » 08 aug 2006 20:23:53

paulvheath@gmail.com wrote:
However, I dare not enlighten my neighbor since he is convinced that his
surname, PEABODY, evolved from Pea-Boadie which in the (and I quote here
from the Peabody Genealogy) "prefix 'pea' in the Cambri language, means a
significant hill or a mountain,"

Can you give any example of pea having this meaning in a Welsh
place-name?

Doubtful anyone can- neither '-ea-' nor '-oa-' is a Welsh diphthong.
FWIW, my road atlas gives no places in Wales beginning 'Pea-', and my
(small) Welsh dictionary also has no words with such a prefix. Someone
was probably thinking of 'Pen-', which means 'hill' in a great many
British place names. If the Peabodies want to aggrandise their origins
they can claim their name derives from 'Pen-Bod', which would be
something like 'chief being' (God?).

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