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Thousands Of Americans & Brits Are Related To Joan "The Fair

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Thousands Of Americans & Brits Are Related To Joan "The Fair Maid Of Kent"
[1328-1385], Countess of Kent and later Princess of Wales -- as she was
married to Edward, The Black Prince. <G>

Hundreds of us can prove it. <G>

"Ain't no big thing." <G>

Joan is my 18th Great-Grandmother. <G>

Tally Ho, You Ruddy Blaggards! <G>

DSH
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"In her time the most beautiful lady in England, and by far the most
amorous" ---- according to Jean Froissart, as reported by Nigel Saul in his
biography, _Richard II_, page 11.

Acceded: 26 Dec 1352. Upon the death of her brother, John, she became
Countess of Kent in her own right. [12/26/1352]. "The Fair Maid of Kent."
(Froissart). In October, 1330, the young queen Philippa of Hainault took
charge of her, and she became "in her time the most beautiful of all the
kingdom of England and the most loyal" (Froissart).

Her marriage to Edward, The Black Prince, was celebrated by Simon Islip,
Archbishop of Canterbury, at Lambeth, October 10, 1361. Between 1362 and
1371 she was with the prince in Aquitaine, where her two sons, Edward and
Richard II, were born. The Black Prince died 8 June 1376 and Richard became
king 6/1377. By her intervention in 1378, proceedings against Wycliffe at
Lambeth were stopped.

Defender of the Ruddy Intellectuals she was!

http://www.wayoflife.org/articles/johnwycliffe.htm

Good Show!

She also exerted all her influence to heal the breach between Richard and
John of Gaunt.

Jean Froissart tells the story of how Joan, the Countess of Salisbury, lost
her garter at a fete. King Edward III recovered it and returned it to her,
saying "Honi soit qui mal y pense." [Shamed be he who thinks evil of it.]

This was reportedly the triggering event in the foundation of the Order of
the Garter, Britain's most elite and prestigious club. The sovereign makes
the appointments and there are only 25 members, plus the King or Queen, at
any given time. The first meeting of the Order of the Garter took place on
Saint George's Day, 24 April 1349. [The motto of the Order is, of course,
"Honi soit qui mal y pense.] There can be more than 25, because spouses are
now included.

Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill was most happy and pleased upon his
induction into the Order by Queen Elizabeth II in 1953, while he was serving
as Prime Minister. Churchill was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature in
that same year.

Joan's marriage to William de Montacute was bigamous. It was annulled by
the Pope and she was ordered to return to Thomas Holland. Baroness Wake.

Nigel Saul writes, in a footnote in his Richard II: 'Little has been
published on Joan. There are outlines of her career in the Dictionary of
National Biography XXIX, 392-3 and The Complete Peerage
(ed. G. E. Cokayne et al., 1910-57)'
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From: <UTZ@aol.com>

Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval

Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 12:40 AM

Subject: Joan, The Fair Maid of Kent -- recent bio

| From John Steele Gordon some time ago:

| Joan became Countess of Kent in her own right after the death of her
| brother, but the title of Countess of Salisbury is dubious at best. She
| married Sir Thomas Holland clandestinely at the age of twelve and, as an
| adult, had two children by him. But when he went off to Prussia the
| next year, she was married off to William Montagu, Earl of Salisbury, in
| the house of whose parents she lived.. When Holland returned, he pressed
| a suit of nullity, and got his wife back. So Joan was never legally
| married to Montagu, and thus never legally Countess of Salisbury. Her
| marriage to the Black Prince was also clandestine and, at first, most
| irregular as they needed a dispensation because they were first cousins.
| When things got straightened out, she became the mother of Richard II.

| She must have been something, leading what is probably the most
| fascinating life of any English woman of the 14th century. The gossip
| columns would have had a field day.

| If anyone knows of a good modern biography of her, I would appreciate
| hearing about it.

| John Steele Gordon

As would I. -- DSH

| In the just issued "The Genealogist" Neil D. Thompson and Charles M.
| Hansen give the following in their continuing "Ancestry of Charles II

| 1069. Joan, "the Fair Maid of Kent," in her own right Countess of Kent,
| Baroness Woodstock and Baroness Wake, *ca. 1328, d. Wallingford Castle
| apparently 8 August 1385, described by Froissart as the most beautiful
| lady in the entire realm of England, joined her husband in Normandy
| 1358, lived with her third husband the Black Prince in Aquitaine
| 1362-71, detained briefly in 1381 by Kentish rebels during the Peasant's
| Revolt, in her last year, despite illness and growing corpulence, mediated
| the breach between Richard II and John of Gaunt, bur. Church of the Grey
| Friars, Stamford.

| Sources: DNB 9:1050, 10:829-30; Bernard Holland, The Lancashire Hollands
| [London, 1917], 25-35; CP 7:150-54; Richard Barber, Edward, Prince of
| Wales and Aquitaine [London, 1978], passim; Nigel Saul, _Richard II_,
| Yale English Monarchs Series, [New Haven and London, 1997], passim.
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DSH

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