I have Wulgrin II, Count of Angouleme married to Ponce de Montgomery, and
Wulgrin, Count of Angouleme and Ponthia de Poictu.
Are they the same people?
For the first couple I have no parents, but a child, William IV, Count of
Angouleme died 1179 in Mesina, Italy who married Marguerite de Turenne.
For the second couple I have no children, but Ponthia's parents are Roger de
Poictu, Earl of Lancaster (1064-1123) and Almodis, Countess of Marche, died
abt. 1117.
Best wishes
Merilyn Pedrick
Wulgrin of Angouleme & Ponce de Montgomery
Moderator: MOD_nyhetsgrupper
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CE Wood
Re: Wulgrin of Angouleme & Ponce de Montgomery
Yes
CE Wood
"Merilyn Pedrick" wrote:
CE Wood
"Merilyn Pedrick" wrote:
I have Wulgrin II, Count of Angouleme married to Ponce de Montgomery, and
Wulgrin, Count of Angouleme and Ponthia de Poictu.
Are they the same people?
For the first couple I have no parents, but a child, William IV, Count of
Angouleme died 1179 in Mesina, Italy who married Marguerite de Turenne.
For the second couple I have no children, but Ponthia's parents are Roger de
Poictu, Earl of Lancaster (1064-1123) and Almodis, Countess of Marche, died
abt. 1117.
Best wishes
Merilyn Pedrick
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Sue
PRIDEAUX
Hello,
I am new to the list.
The medieval line I am researching is that of Prideaux.
The main source I am using is
'Visitations of Cornwall' by J. L. Vivian.
Would this source be considered "reputable"?
Thank You,
Suzanne Prideaux
Texas
----- Original Message -----
From: Merilyn Pedrick
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:09 PM
Subject: Wulgrin of Angouleme & Ponce de Montgomery
I have Wulgrin II, Count of Angouleme married to Ponce de Montgomery, and
Wulgrin, Count of Angouleme and Ponthia de Poictu.
Are they the same people?
For the first couple I have no parents, but a child, William IV, Count of
Angouleme died 1179 in Mesina, Italy who married Marguerite de Turenne.
For the second couple I have no children, but Ponthia's parents are Roger de
Poictu, Earl of Lancaster (1064-1123) and Almodis, Countess of Marche, died
abt. 1117.
Best wishes
Merilyn Pedrick
I am new to the list.
The medieval line I am researching is that of Prideaux.
The main source I am using is
'Visitations of Cornwall' by J. L. Vivian.
Would this source be considered "reputable"?
Thank You,
Suzanne Prideaux
Texas
----- Original Message -----
From: Merilyn Pedrick
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:09 PM
Subject: Wulgrin of Angouleme & Ponce de Montgomery
I have Wulgrin II, Count of Angouleme married to Ponce de Montgomery, and
Wulgrin, Count of Angouleme and Ponthia de Poictu.
Are they the same people?
For the first couple I have no parents, but a child, William IV, Count of
Angouleme died 1179 in Mesina, Italy who married Marguerite de Turenne.
For the second couple I have no children, but Ponthia's parents are Roger de
Poictu, Earl of Lancaster (1064-1123) and Almodis, Countess of Marche, died
abt. 1117.
Best wishes
Merilyn Pedrick
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Tim Powys-Lybbe
Re: Wulgrin of Angouleme & Ponce de Montgomery
In message of 20 Jul, pedricks@ozemail.com.au ("Merilyn Pedrick") wrote:
I can't find any earl of Lancaster of before 1267.
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Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/
I have Wulgrin II, Count of Angouleme married to Ponce de Montgomery, and
Wulgrin, Count of Angouleme and Ponthia de Poictu.
Are they the same people?
For the first couple I have no parents, but a child, William IV, Count of
Angouleme died 1179 in Mesina, Italy who married Marguerite de
Turenne.
For the second couple I have no children, but Ponthia's parents are Roger de
Poictu, Earl of Lancaster (1064-1123) and Almodis, Countess of Marche,
died abt. 1117.
I can't find any earl of Lancaster of before 1267.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/
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Leo van de Pas
Re: Wulgrin of Angouleme & Ponce de Montgomery
See at the bottom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Powys-Lybbe" <tim@powys.org>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: Wulgrin of Angouleme & Ponce de Montgomery
de La Marche, and Almodis Comtesse de La Marche (La Marche comes from her
father). See ES III Tafel 637 here the daughter is Ponthia, but don't forget
ES is German orientated Gerald Paget calls her Ponce (Ancestors & Relatives
of the Prince of Wales Volume I page 65). I agree no Earl of Lancaster.
Hope this helps.
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Powys-Lybbe" <tim@powys.org>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: Wulgrin of Angouleme & Ponce de Montgomery
In message of 20 Jul, pedricks@ozemail.com.au ("Merilyn Pedrick") wrote:
I have Wulgrin II, Count of Angouleme married to Ponce de Montgomery,
and
Wulgrin, Count of Angouleme and Ponthia de Poictu.
Are they the same people?
For the first couple I have no parents, but a child, William IV, Count of
Angouleme died 1179 in Mesina, Italy who married Marguerite de
Turenne.
For the second couple I have no children, but Ponthia's parents are Roger
de
Poictu, Earl of Lancaster (1064-1123) and Almodis, Countess of Marche,
died abt. 1117.
I can't find any earl of Lancaster of before 1267.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/
The people referred to I can find as Roger 'Poictevin' de Montgommery, Comte
de La Marche, and Almodis Comtesse de La Marche (La Marche comes from her
father). See ES III Tafel 637 here the daughter is Ponthia, but don't forget
ES is German orientated Gerald Paget calls her Ponce (Ancestors & Relatives
of the Prince of Wales Volume I page 65). I agree no Earl of Lancaster.
Hope this helps.
Leo