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Patricia Junkin

Zouche Question

Legg inn av Patricia Junkin » 02 jul 2006 16:15:02

All,

I believe there is a pitfall in assuming that all of the same name in the
same generation belong to one of the more prominent and easily identified la
Zouches.

Can anyone support the origin of the death date for William la Zouche de
Belmeis (Beaumais)? And confirmation he was the first son?

From an original deed cited in HL: Alanus la Zouch, filius Galfridi
vicecomitis.....& uxoris mee Adhelize & pro animabus Philippi de Belmeis
senoris & Philippi, junioris.....Testibus: Rogero de Mortemeir, Richardo de
Lundonia....domina Adelizia de Belmez, Willielmo de Belmeis filio ejus &
Petri fratre ejus..."

According to the History of Leicestershire, Richard Beaumais held Ashby de
la Zouch shortly after the conquest...a member of the family, Richard de
Beaumais, nephew of Richard Belmeis , bishop of London, 1152-63, was brother
to Philip de Belmeis, lord of the manor of Ashby (of which Blackfordby forms
part), who gave the chapel of Blackfordby, with sixty acres attached, to the
Abbey of Lilleshull, in Shropshire.


From British History Online:
1127-1152 William [de Belmeis I (of Beaumais)] (Footnote 5) Occ. in cats.
between Berbund de Waltham and Thomas Becket, 'Willelmus archidiaconus'.
Presum. to be identified with William de Belmeis I, archdcn. of London,
prob. from before Jan. 1127 to Sept. 1152 or later, for whom otherwise no
preb. can be assigned. But if Robert Pictor to be identified with Robert
brother of Fulcred, William de Belmeis must have held an unident. preb.
before 1138.
William de Belmeis II (of Beaumais) (Footnote 2)
Occ. in cats. between John of Canterbury and John de Sancto Laurentio,
'Willelmus de Belemeis [Belemeyns, Cat. II]'. First occ. as can. [1169] (St.
Paul's almoner's cart.: Cambridge, St. John's College, MS. S. 25 fo. 9v),
(Footnote 3) but perhaps appd. before May 1162 by his uncle, Richard de
Belmeis II, bp. of London (1152-62) (G.F. p. 286). Occ. this preb. [1174 ?
80] (Gibbs no. 160), and 1183/4 (G.F.L. no. 403). Last occ. 1183/4 (ibid.),
and [c. 1185] (A/33/702), (Footnote 4) but perhaps occ. later [c. 1181 ?
1187] (G.F.L. no. 405), and prob. still alive 25 July 1184 or 1185 (Gibbs
no. 223). Son of Robert de Belmeis, and nephew of Richard de Belmeis II, bp.
of London (Gibbs no. 69).


If the children of Alan and Adeliza are predicated alone on the charter to
Swavesey, : "Willielmus la Zouche, filius Rogeri la Zouche, salutem in
Domino sempiternam. Noveritis nos inspexisse omnes chartas et munimenta
Rogeri patris nostri, ac chartaset munimenta Alani Zouche avi nostri quondam
comitis Britanniae facta priori de Swavesey", then there remains the
possibility that William la Zouche de Belmeis was not the William who made
this confirmation. He was William was the son of Roger and Margaret Biset,

Also, if inheritance is predicated on the descent of the property, e.g.
"Swavesey", Roger, son of Alan may have been simply, the eldest son to whom
Swavesey fell.

Another grant,for which I have no date, by William la Zouche de Belmeis to
the canons of Lillishull transcribed by Roper from "the original deed in the
collection of Sir Robert Cotton, bart." is worth a search.

Pat

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