Batisford/brenchesle

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charlotte smith

Batisford/brenchesle

Legg inn av charlotte smith » 28 jun 2006 20:12:02

<< Cecily who became abbess of Malling - From VCH Kent, Vol. 2: "Pope
Boniface on 5 Dec. 1400 ordered the abbess and convent to assign a room in the
monastery to Cecily Batesford, one of the nuns and another nun to be her
companion for life, as by an illness she was greatly hampered in presenting choir and
chapter hours (Ca. Papal Let. III, 355). Cecily died an abbess on 14th July
1439. In the next year her sister Joan Brincheslee made grants to the convent
asking for a celebration at Cecily's death anniversary at which three flagons
of wine should be distributed, one to the abbess and the remaining two for the
convent". (Roch. Epis. Reg. III, fol. 157d). >>
I agree that this proves that Joan Brenchsley lived until 14 Jul 1439. The
above states "sister" but whether she was a sister or not remains to be proven.
The above Joan could also be a niece.
I agree, provisionally, that she this is Joan, the sister and that she was a
Batisford PROVIDED THAT the original document can be queried and made to show
that it actually states "my sister" or words to that affect.
Will Johnson
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If you read carefully you willl see that she was alive in July 1440 when she gave the wine on the anniversary of her sisters death.

Since you seem to be a doubting thomas I suggest you prove it wrong by going to the source which is Rochester Bishops Register Vol 111 page 144 and maybe seeing is believing. How can you jump to the conclusion that she might be a niece . It is up to you to prove this article from the Bishops register wrong.


charlotte c smith

Ginny Wagner

RE: Batisford/brenchesle

Legg inn av Ginny Wagner » 28 jun 2006 20:20:02

WJhonson wrote:

The above Joan could also be a niece.
I agree, provisionally, that she this is Joan, the
sister and that >>she was a Batisford PROVIDED THAT the

original document can be
queried and made to show that it actually states "my
sister" or
words to that affect.


Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:10 PM, charlotte c smith wrote:

If you read carefully you willl see that she was alive in
July 1440
when she gave the wine on the anniversary of her sisters
death.


What I would like to know is how you can tell the
difference between a religious sister (nun) and a biological
sister? As well, for brothers (monk) and brothers,
biological? Did they have different nouns/pronouns to
differentiate, back then?

Ginny
ginnywagner@austin.rr.com

Gjest

Re: Batisford/brenchesle

Legg inn av Gjest » 29 jun 2006 00:00:43

charlotte smith schrieb:

Cecily who became abbess of Malling - From VCH Kent, Vol. 2: "Pope
Boniface on 5 Dec. 1400 ordered the abbess and convent to assign a room in the
monastery to Cecily Batesford, one of the nuns and another nun to be her
companion for life, as by an illness she was greatly hampered in presenting choir and
chapter hours (Ca. Papal Let. III, 355). Cecily died an abbess on 14th July
1439. In the next year her sister Joan Brincheslee made grants to the convent
asking for a celebration at Cecily's death anniversary at which three flagons
of wine should be distributed, one to the abbess and the remaining two for the
convent". (Roch. Epis. Reg. III, fol. 157d).

Please note: although this is essentially a paraphrase of the relevant
section from VCH Kent Vol 2, it is not actually a direct quotation; for
instance, VCH does not say Cecily was hampered "in presenting choir and
chapter hours", nor does it say she "died an abbess".

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