Verduns of Oddeston, Leic. and of Alton Castle,Staff.

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Gordon and Jane Kirkemo

Verduns of Oddeston, Leic. and of Alton Castle,Staff.

Legg inn av Gordon and Jane Kirkemo » 14 jun 2006 23:08:02

I need some help connecting (or disconnecting) the Chetwynds of Ingestre of
Stafford with the Verdons [Verdun according to CP, but I use Verdon to be
consistent with my source.] of Alton Castle, Stafford. My source is "The
Chetwynds of Ingestre" by H.E. Chetwynd-Stapylton (1892).



The author identifies two marriages between Chetwynd males and daughters of
Elias de Verdon of Oddeston, Leicestershire, said to be a descendant of John
de Verdon and Margaret de Lacy. The first Chetwynd, William, married Joan,
and the second, also named William (nephew of the first), married Matilda.
I quote the following from the source (pages 76-77):



"Elias de of Oddeston was head of a younger branch of the Verdons of Alton
Castle. Walter Chetwynd [an antiquarian referenced by the author] tells us
in a marginal note in the Ingestre Chartulary (quoting from his friend
William Burton's History of Leicestershire)-'This Elyas was great grandson
of John, Lord Verdon, and bare or, frette gu. with a canton sa. He was lord
of Oddeston 18 Edward III., and in 29 Edward III. William Chetwynd was
seised thereof." [A footnote cites Burton's History of Leicestershire, pp.
197 and 215] John de Verdon was first baron by writ of this line, was
great grandson of that Bertram de Verdon who, while seneschal of Ireland,
made a grant of land to Ralph de Mutton, and after founding the Abbey of
Croxden in Staffordshire died in the Holy Land in 1192. His mother was
Roesia de Verdon by her marriage with Theobald de Botiller, a branch of the
noble family of the Butlers of Ormond, but being so great an heiress she
kept her own surname. In her widowhood (about 1229) Roesia founded the
nunnery of Grace-Dieu at Belton, co. Leic., and the hospital at Lutterworth,
and died in 1248. Her son, John de Verdon, married Margaret, daughter and
heir of Gilbert de Lacy, a co-heiress with her grandfather Walter de Lacy,
Lord Palatine of Meath, slain in Ireland in 1278,--by whom he had Theobald,
2nd Lord Verdon, and Elias de Oddeston, the ancestor of Joan and Matilda,
who both married Chetwynds. It was to commemorate these illustrious
progenitors that Walter Chetwynd, the antiquary, has given a place in the
shield of Chetwynd to the arms of Lacy and Butler as quarterings of Verdon.
The pedigrees of Verdon by William Burton and John Nichols, the historians
of Leicestershire, differing in several important particulars, I have
adopted that of Sir Harris Nicolas in his "Historic Peerage" as the best
modern authority, and also because it shows very clearly the connection of
Chetwynd with these quarterings of Verdon.



It may be observed as a singular circumstance that Walter Chetwynd himself,
in 1680, altogether omits this William Chetwynd of Oddeston and his marriage
[reference here is to the uncle William], and Dugdale makes no mention of
the wife, though both are proved beyond question by the inquest taken at
Joan's death [footnote cites: Inq. P. m. 16H. vi. No. 23], which, however,
belonging to Leicestershire, seems to have been unnoticed until Nichols in
his continuation of Burton's History discovered it many years after
Dugdale's death."



I checked CP (Subs: Verdon and Verdun) and found no mention of an Elias or
Helias. I also checked PA3 which shows four sons for John and Margaret
named Nicholas, John, Thebaud, and Thomas with no mention of a son named
Elias. Neither source mentions Oddeston. As Nicholas died s.p. and v.p.,
he apparently had no male heirs, and none are shown for his brother John.
Thebaud/Theobald is shown with sons John, Theobald, Nicholas, Miles, and
possibly Bartholomew. I have no information concerning a possible family
for Thomas the last son reported for John and Margaret, so I cannot be
certain regarding a possible connection to that generation of Verduns.



Can anyone confirm or discredit the Verdon connection cited in the Chetwynd
document? I am not familiar with the "Historic Peerage" by Sir Harris
Nicolas, so I cannot speak to its credibility, or to its content. I suspect
it does not have the descent from the Verdon's of Alton Castle as the author
would likely have included it in his descriptions.



So..any comments?



Sincerely,

Gordon Kirkemo

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