Fw: Baldwin Comte de Guines

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Leo van de Pas

Fw: Baldwin Comte de Guines

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 09 jun 2006 23:35:02

Dear Leo,

As you know I do look every now and then quickly in the Archives of Gen
Medieval.

I have no wish at all to subscribe again.

But this time I noticed: Patricia Junkin's question concernig:

"Grant by Baldwin, Count of Ghisnes, to his brother Robert de Ghisnes,
knt.,
of all the manor of Hoylande. Witnesses:- SIr Stephen Longespee, Anselm
Marshall, Rihcard de Montfichet, Richard de Clara, and others (named).
Essex
October, 1241"

It seem not unlikely that the Baldwin concerned is Baudouin de Guines,
who
died in 1244. He had a brother Robert, mentioned in 1244. See ES VII table
81.

Baudouin was married to Mahaut de Fiennes e.m Dammartin.
The Enguerrand who married Christian Lindsay was his grandson.
And the Margaret, who married Richard de Burgh, might have been this
Enguerrand's sister.

So there are (later) connections with England/Scotland

Looking more closely at ES VII 81 (Guines) I note that Baudouin
had a sister Beatrix Abbess of Bonham (is that in England? or is it Bornem
in
Flanders? ) and a son Baudouin who was seigneur de Sangate (certainly
english).

Through the Fiennes family there was a connection to Queen Eleanor, first
wife
of Edward I, but that connection is of course later than 1241.

I guess this is nevertheless the right track. You are free to post these
remarks on
Gen medieval if you think they are relevant.

Regards,

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