Beatrice, The Wife of William Briwere

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John Watson

Beatrice, The Wife of William Briwere

Legg inn av John Watson » 02 jun 2006 01:04:36

Hi all,

Sir William de Briwere of Stoke, Sheriff of Devon (b ca.1145, d 1226).
His wife is said to have been Beatrix de Vaux, described as a daughter
of Rainald de Dunstanville, Earl of Cornwall.

When looking for information on William de Briwere on the A2A site I
came across two charters. One of which names William's wife as
Angalisia, and one in which William is witness, together with a Lady
Beatrice la Raneleisa, who could possibly be the same person and
possibly his wife.

Scope and Content: CLAYHANGAR: - date: nd. Charter of William
Briwere, son of William Briwere, granting (for the safety of his soul
and of Joan his wife and all his ancestors and successors) to God and
the Church of St.Saviour of Torre and the Canons of the
Premonstratensian Order there serving God in frank almoign, all the
land of Dumgeston which William de Bruera and Angalisia his wife
released to grantor as the next heir, for a payment by him of 50 marks
with the services of Peteton and all other things belonging to that
land.
Wits:- Sir Robert de Curtenay. Richard, then Abbot of Dunkiswill.
William de Bruera. Huwardus de Bikelegh. Roger de Langeford. William de
Horsy. Robert de Hokesham. Thomas de Tetteburn. Ralph de Veyham. (?)
Seal, (mermaid) Endorsed. Grant of Sir W. Briwer, the younger of the
land of Dungeston. In pencil. About the beginning of Henry 3rd reign.
[Devon Record Office: Courtenay of Powderham [D1508M/Moger/416]]

Scope and Content: HENNOCK: Charter of Philip de Salmonavilla, granting
to God and the Church of St. Salvator of Torre and the Canons there of
the Premonstratensian Order, the Church of Hanoc in frank almoign 'for
the safety of the souls of me, Beatrice my wife and all our ancestors".

Wits:- William Briwere. Lady Beatrice la Raneleisa. Peter de Sendimore.
William Seintaver. John, the Chaplain. Walter, the Chaplain. William de
Rotomagia. Ralph de Brai. Walter, son of Ivo. Alan de Boclaund. Roger
Burnel. Nicholas de Torre. Seal.
Endorsed. Suardeby (?) Combe. In pencil. circa, telp. Rich. I.
[Devon Record Office: Courtenay of Powderham [D1508M/Moger/413]]

La Raneleisa does not appear to be a name, rather a title or
description. Has anyone any idea what it could mean?

Regards,

John

Todd A. Farmerie

Re: Beatrice, The Wife of William Briwere

Legg inn av Todd A. Farmerie » 02 jun 2006 06:17:33

John Watson wrote:
Hi all,

Sir William de Briwere of Stoke, Sheriff of Devon (b ca.1145, d 1226).
His wife is said to have been Beatrix de Vaux, described as a daughter
of Rainald de Dunstanville, Earl of Cornwall.

The rest of the post aside, I don't recall seeing her called this -
usually she is made daughter of a Rainald de Vaux. Do you have any
documentation supporting a Dunstanville connection?

taf

Douglas Richardson

C.P. Correction: Beatrice de Valle, wife of William Briwerre

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 02 jun 2006 10:02:44

Dear John ~

Sir William Briwerre (or Brewer) (died 1226) married Beatrice de Valle,
as correctly stated in the following weblink:

http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN1 ... %22&pgis=1

Beatrice de Valle was formerly the mistress (not daughter) of Reynold
Fitz Roy (or de Mortain), Earl of Cornwall, died 1175, by whom she was
the mother of a son, Henry Fitz Count, and allegedly a second son,
William. See the following weblink:

http://books.google.com/books?q=lady+of ... ice&pgis=1

I believe that Beatrice's maritagium consisted of Karswell and Torre in
Devon. She was quite likely the daughter of Hubert de Vaux (or
Vallibus in Latin), by his wife, Grace. To date, however, I've been
unable to confirm that Hubert de Vaux held the property in Devon which
formed Beatrice's maritagium.

Beatrice's son, Henry Fitz Count, died 1222, was granted the custody of
the county of Cornwall in 1215, but evidently was never recognized as
earl. The following weblinks concern his history:

http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0 ... xwc6GTg1JM

http://books.google.com/books?vid=0M1zv ... z+Count%22

http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0 ... skgLTI2CnU

Complete Peerage, 3 (1913): 430 (sub Cornwall) incorrectly identifies
Henry Fitz Count's mother as Beatrice de Vannes. Her correct name was
Beatrice de Valle, not Vannes. For charter evidence of Beatrice de
Valle's maiden name, as well as evidence of her parentage of Henry Fitz
Count, please see Monasticon Exoniensis, by Oliver.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www. royalancestry. net

John Watson wrote:
< Hi all,
<
< Sir William de Briwere of Stoke, Sheriff of Devon (b ca.1145, d
1226).
< His wife is said to have been Beatrix de Vaux, described as a
daughter
< of Rainald de Dunstanville, Earl of Cornwall.
<
< When looking for information on William de Briwere on the A2A site I
< came across two charters. One of which names William's wife as
< Angalisia, and one in which William is witness, together with a Lady
< Beatrice la Raneleisa, who could possibly be the same person and
< possibly his wife.
<
< Scope and Content: CLAYHANGAR: - date: nd. Charter of William
< Briwere, son of William Briwere, granting (for the safety of his soul
< and of Joan his wife and all his ancestors and successors) to God and
< the Church of St.Saviour of Torre and the Canons of the
< Premonstratensian Order there serving God in frank almoign, all the
< land of Dumgeston which William de Bruera and Angalisia his wife
< released to grantor as the next heir, for a payment by him of 50
marks
< with the services of Peteton and all other things belonging to that
< land.
< Wits:- Sir Robert de Curtenay. Richard, then Abbot of Dunkiswill.
< William de Bruera. Huwardus de Bikelegh. Roger de Langeford. William
de
< Horsy. Robert de Hokesham. Thomas de Tetteburn. Ralph de Veyham. (?)
< Seal, (mermaid) Endorsed. Grant of Sir W. Briwer, the younger of the
< land of Dungeston. In pencil. About the beginning of Henry 3rd reign.
< [Devon Record Office: Courtenay of Powderham [D1508M/Moger/416]]
<
< Scope and Content: HENNOCK: Charter of Philip de Salmonavilla,
granting
< to God and the Church of St. Salvator of Torre and the Canons there
of
< the Premonstratensian Order, the Church of Hanoc in frank almoign
'for
< the safety of the souls of me, Beatrice my wife and all our
ancestors".
Wits:- William Briwere. Lady Beatrice la Raneleisa. Peter de

Sendimore.
< William Seintaver. John, the Chaplain. Walter, the Chaplain. William
de
< Rotomagia. Ralph de Brai. Walter, son of Ivo. Alan de Boclaund. Roger
< Burnel. Nicholas de Torre. Seal.
< Endorsed. Suardeby (?) Combe. In pencil. circa, telp. Rich. I.
< [Devon Record Office: Courtenay of Powderham [D1508M/Moger/413]]
<
< La Raneleisa does not appear to be a name, rather a title or
< description. Has anyone any idea what it could mean?
<
< Regards,
<
< John

Douglas Richardson

Re: C.P. Correction: Beatrice de Valle, wife of William Briw

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 02 jun 2006 10:36:34

Dear John ~

I should add that Sir William Briwerre (died 1226), husband of Beatrice
de Valle, was associated in contemporary records with the family of
Hubert de Vaux (died c. 1164), of Gilsland, Cumberland. I consider
Hubert de Vaux and his wife, Grace, to be the likely parents of
Beatrice de Valle. My research indicates that Sir William Briwerre
acquired property from one of Hubert de Vaux's sons, and also that Sir
William was involved in a lawsuit with the widow of another Vaux son.
These pieces of evidence are supportive, but not conclusive, that Sir
William Briwerre's wife, Beatrice, was the daughter of Hubert de Vaux
(died c. 1164). The matter of Beatrice de Valle's parentage requires
further study.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www. royalancestry. net

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