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Sir William Brenchley

Legg inn av Ye Old One » 01 jun 2006 01:00:02

Just found a new item on A2A.
http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/documentxs ... esheet=xsl\A2A_com.xsl&keyword=sir%20william%20brenchley&properties=0601

or

http://tinyurl.com/ozqnj

Quote:

Barrett-Lennard Manuscripts
Catalogue Ref. U1450

Creator(s):
Barret-Lennard family, baronets, of Kent
Lennard, Barret-, family, baronets, of Kent


TITLE DEEDS

Various parishes

FILE - Porters, with garden adjoining road E. in Brenchley -
ref. U1450/T5/25 - date: 1447
hit[from Scope and Content] Joan, widow of Sir William
Brenchley, Richard Wakeherst and Thomas Bettenham to William Orgele
and wife Joan

Anyone have access to this?
--
Bob.

Louise Staley

Re: Sir William Brenchley

Legg inn av Louise Staley » 01 jun 2006 01:50:03

Ye Old One wrote:
Just found a new item on A2A.

Quote:

Barrett-Lennard Manuscripts
Catalogue Ref. U1450

Creator(s):
Barret-Lennard family, baronets, of Kent
Lennard, Barret-, family, baronets, of Kent


TITLE DEEDS

Various parishes

FILE - Porters, with garden adjoining road E. in Brenchley -
ref. U1450/T5/25 - date: 1447
hit[from Scope and Content] Joan, widow of Sir William
Brenchley, Richard Wakeherst and Thomas Bettenham to William Orgele
and wife Joan

Anyone have access to this?

This is interesting because Richard Wakehurst (d. 1454) married an
Elizabeth Echyngham (d. 1464). She was the daughter of Robert Echyngham
(see C 1/31/281). Robert was the son of Sir William Echyngham (d. 1388)
and, it appears, Elizabeth Criol (see the will of Nicholas Criol, Kent
Wills). Hence this becomes another primary document linking the
Brenchleys and Echynghams but unfortunately it does not appear to bring
us any closer to determining how they were linked.

I would also note at this point that the excerpt from Hasted's History
of Kent makes Sir William Brenchley, chief justice of the common pleas.
This does not appear to be correct, see the Wikipedia list of all chief
justices (http://tinyurl.com/s7ehc). I think he was only a provincial
Kentish judge.

Louise

Matt Tompkins

Re: Sir William Brenchley

Legg inn av Matt Tompkins » 01 jun 2006 13:39:29

Louise Staley wrote:
I would also note at this point that the excerpt from Hasted's History
of Kent makes Sir William Brenchley, chief justice of the common pleas.
This does not appear to be correct, see the Wikipedia list of all chief
justices (http://tinyurl.com/s7ehc). I think he was only a provincial
Kentish judge.


Hello Louise,

you are right, William Brenchley was not Chief Justice - however he was
more than a provincial Kentish judge, he was in fact an ordinary
Justice of the Common Pleas. His appointment, on 30 Sept 1399, can be
found in the Calendar of Patent Rolls, Henry IV, v. I, p. 1 (I hope
this link will take you straight to it:
http://sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/patentrolls/h ... ge0001.pdf
- note that the Common Bench was the court of Common Pleas).
Interestingly on 6 May 1398 he had been granted an annuity of £40 out
of the Exchequer while he held the office, in addition to its usual
fee, 'for the better maintenance of his estate [as a justice] and the
expenses he must incur therein', so he may have been acting as a
justice of the court even before the official appointment (CPR Ric II
v. VI, p. 340 -
http://sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/patentrolls/r ... ge0340.pdf).

Like many judges of the period he did often perform various judicial
functions in the provinces in addition to his duties in the Common
Pleas at Westminster. A quick look through the Patent Rolls shows that
between his appointment in 1399 and his death in 1406 he served as a
justice at assizes in Devon and Somerset, on commissions of oyer and
terminer in Devon, Somerset, Dorset, Wilts and Hants, commissions of
the peace in every southern county between Cornwall and Kent, and
commissions for sea walls in Sussex, Kent and Surrey, as well as
sitting in appeal at the London Guildhall court.

Before he was a justice of the Common Pleas he was a sergeant-at-law
and, again, like most sergeants (who were effectively judges waiting
for a vacancy to appear in the Westminster courts) he performed a
number of judicial functions in the provinces. The Calendar of Patent
Rolls shows him serving on commissions of the peace, of gaol delivery,
for sea walls etc etc from 1377, initially in Kent but later in other
southern counties. Since he does not appear in the Patent Rolls before
1377 I think that may have been roughly the time of his call to the
coif.

He can also be found in the Year Books, appearing in the Common Pleas
as a sergeant-at-law representing the plaintiff or defendant in many
cases in 1389 and 1390, as a justice in several cases from 1399 - 1402,
and once as a plaintiff in a dispute of land in Kent in 1400 (his name
is usually spelled as Bryncheley) - go to
http://www.bu.edu/phpbin/lawyearbooks/search.php and search against
'Brynch' in the Search All Fields box.

Regards,

Matt

PS many thanks once again to John Watson for his post about the
immensely useful Patent Rolls site.

Ye Old One

Re: Re: Sir William Brenchley

Legg inn av Ye Old One » 01 jun 2006 13:58:40

On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 00:50:03 GMT, Louise Staley <caramut@bigpond.com>
enriched this group when s/he wrote:

Ye Old One wrote:
Just found a new item on A2A.

Quote:

Barrett-Lennard Manuscripts
Catalogue Ref. U1450

Creator(s):
Barret-Lennard family, baronets, of Kent
Lennard, Barret-, family, baronets, of Kent


TITLE DEEDS

Various parishes

FILE - Porters, with garden adjoining road E. in Brenchley -
ref. U1450/T5/25 - date: 1447
hit[from Scope and Content] Joan, widow of Sir William
Brenchley, Richard Wakeherst and Thomas Bettenham to William Orgele
and wife Joan

Anyone have access to this?

This is interesting because Richard Wakehurst (d. 1454) married an
Elizabeth Echyngham (d. 1464). She was the daughter of Robert Echyngham
(see C 1/31/281). Robert was the son of Sir William Echyngham (d. 1388)
and, it appears, Elizabeth Criol (see the will of Nicholas Criol, Kent
Wills). Hence this becomes another primary document linking the
Brenchleys and Echynghams but unfortunately it does not appear to bring
us any closer to determining how they were linked.

I would also note at this point that the excerpt from Hasted's History
of Kent makes Sir William Brenchley, chief justice of the common pleas.
This does not appear to be correct, see the Wikipedia list of all chief
justices (http://tinyurl.com/s7ehc). I think he was only a provincial
Kentish judge.

Louise

I agree. I've found a number of references to him being a "justice of
the common pleas" but none as a "chief". I think that if he had
reached that high office there would be a lot more information about
him in the achives.

--
Bob.

Ye Old One

Re: Sir William Brenchley

Legg inn av Ye Old One » 01 jun 2006 20:11:42

On 1 Jun 2006 05:39:29 -0700, "Matt Tompkins" <mllt1@le.ac.uk>
enriched this group when s/he wrote:

Louise Staley wrote:
I would also note at this point that the excerpt from Hasted's History
of Kent makes Sir William Brenchley, chief justice of the common pleas.
This does not appear to be correct, see the Wikipedia list of all chief
justices (http://tinyurl.com/s7ehc). I think he was only a provincial
Kentish judge.


Hello Louise,

you are right, William Brenchley was not Chief Justice - however he was
more than a provincial Kentish judge, he was in fact an ordinary
Justice of the Common Pleas. His appointment, on 30 Sept 1399, can be
found in the Calendar of Patent Rolls, Henry IV, v. I, p. 1 (I hope
this link will take you straight to it:
http://sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/patentrolls/h ... ge0001.pdf
- note that the Common Bench was the court of Common Pleas).
Interestingly on 6 May 1398 he had been granted an annuity of £40 out
of the Exchequer while he held the office, in addition to its usual
fee, 'for the better maintenance of his estate [as a justice] and the
expenses he must incur therein', so he may have been acting as a
justice of the court even before the official appointment (CPR Ric II
v. VI, p. 340 -
http://sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/patentrolls/r ... ge0340.pdf).

Like many judges of the period he did often perform various judicial
functions in the provinces in addition to his duties in the Common
Pleas at Westminster. A quick look through the Patent Rolls shows that
between his appointment in 1399 and his death in 1406 he served as a
justice at assizes in Devon and Somerset, on commissions of oyer and
terminer in Devon, Somerset, Dorset, Wilts and Hants, commissions of
the peace in every southern county between Cornwall and Kent, and
commissions for sea walls in Sussex, Kent and Surrey, as well as
sitting in appeal at the London Guildhall court.

Before he was a justice of the Common Pleas he was a sergeant-at-law
and, again, like most sergeants (who were effectively judges waiting
for a vacancy to appear in the Westminster courts) he performed a
number of judicial functions in the provinces. The Calendar of Patent
Rolls shows him serving on commissions of the peace, of gaol delivery,
for sea walls etc etc from 1377, initially in Kent but later in other
southern counties. Since he does not appear in the Patent Rolls before
1377 I think that may have been roughly the time of his call to the
coif.

He can also be found in the Year Books, appearing in the Common Pleas
as a sergeant-at-law representing the plaintiff or defendant in many
cases in 1389 and 1390, as a justice in several cases from 1399 - 1402,
and once as a plaintiff in a dispute of land in Kent in 1400 (his name
is usually spelled as Bryncheley) - go to
http://www.bu.edu/phpbin/lawyearbooks/search.php and search against
'Brynch' in the Search All Fields box.

Regards,

Matt

PS many thanks once again to John Watson for his post about the
immensely useful Patent Rolls site.

Thanks for all that Matt, very interesting.

During your research did you come across anything that gives an
indication to his date of birth or to when he was knighted?

--
Bob.

Matt Tompkins

Re: Sir William Brenchley

Legg inn av Matt Tompkins » 01 jun 2006 21:56:30

Ye Old One wrote:
During your research did you come across anything that gives an
indication to his date of birth or to when he was knighted?


Hello Bob,

I'm afraid I was just sweeping quickly through the Patent Rolls
looking for references to his judicial career. However I think I did
notice that at that some point he began to be referred to sometimes as
Sir William. If you use the online Patent Roll site to identify the
first reference to him as a knight then that should give a rough idea
of the date of his knighthood.

As to his birthdate, I don't think I noticed anything which might
help. However you might be able to get a very rough idea of it by
applying the career/age information about sergeants at law which I gave
in a posting a couple of weeks ago (under the heading 'King's
Sergeant circa 1445') to what is known about his career. I ought to
mention that contrary to what I said above about him having probably
become a sergeant at law in about 1377, I now think he probably
wasn't called to the coif until the 1380s. Partly because it wasn't
unknown for up-and-coming apprentices-at-law to be appointed to
judicial commissions even before they became sergeants, partly because
1377 was over 20 years before he was appointed to the bench until 1398
or 1399 and I don't think it was normal to have to wait so long for
that promotion.

Anyway, if he was 45 when he became a sergeant, and he became a
sergeant in 1385, then he would have been born in 1340, or earlier.
But that's a very rough guess.

Regards,

Matt Tompkins

Ye Old One

Re: Re: Sir William Brenchley

Legg inn av Ye Old One » 01 jun 2006 23:14:44

On 1 Jun 2006 13:56:30 -0700, "Matt Tompkins" <mllt1@le.ac.uk>
enriched this group when s/he wrote:

Ye Old One wrote:
During your research did you come across anything that gives an
indication to his date of birth or to when he was knighted?


Hello Bob,

I'm afraid I was just sweeping quickly through the Patent Rolls
looking for references to his judicial career. However I think I did
notice that at that some point he began to be referred to sometimes as
Sir William. If you use the online Patent Roll site to identify the
first reference to him as a knight then that should give a rough idea
of the date of his knighthood.

As to his birthdate, I don't think I noticed anything which might
help. However you might be able to get a very rough idea of it by
applying the career/age information about sergeants at law which I gave
in a posting a couple of weeks ago (under the heading 'King's
Sergeant circa 1445') to what is known about his career. I ought to
mention that contrary to what I said above about him having probably
become a sergeant at law in about 1377, I now think he probably
wasn't called to the coif until the 1380s. Partly because it wasn't
unknown for up-and-coming apprentices-at-law to be appointed to
judicial commissions even before they became sergeants, partly because
1377 was over 20 years before he was appointed to the bench until 1398
or 1399 and I don't think it was normal to have to wait so long for
that promotion.

Anyway, if he was 45 when he became a sergeant, and he became a
sergeant in 1385, then he would have been born in 1340, or earlier.
But that's a very rough guess.

Regards,

Matt Tompkins

Thanks Matt, will work on that.

--
Bob.

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