FishWeBe@CableOne.net writes:
Roberta
Another major problem is Arundel and FitzAlan, my head is swimming, I
for the life of me cannot figure out Eleanor Fitzalan b abt 1409 in Surrey
who married Thomas Browne. b 1405 in Kent and d 1461. (there is also a
Thomas Browne who was convicted of high treason and beheaded in July 1460)
I have an outline another "family" member sent me but it doesn't add up the
parents and grandparents are all wrong. Can someone please help me out? I
descend from Rev. John and Anne
(lovelace) Gorsuch
thank you in advance,
Roberta
Perhaps the following will get you started. Don't forget there is at least
three different ways on numbering the earls of Arundel.
Adrian
[004 RICHARD (c1306?-24 Jan 1375/6 Arundel bur Lewes [149 Will requests bur
in Chapter Ho there next to his wife] [and is probably the altar tomb with
his wife, now in Chichester Cathedral] Will 5 Dec 1375 in 149 pp 94-5); FITZ
ALAN; s&h; 10/3Er; aka Copped Hat; In 1330/1 restored inc to Arundel Castle; In
1334 cr Justiciar of N Wales for life] [048 In 1335 cr gov of Chirke Castle,
co Denbigh; In 1336 granted that castle & lands being part of the estate of
attained ROGER MORTIMER Er MARCH; Soon after he was made gov of Porchester
Castle & for some years a command in Sc wars] [112 In 1337 commander of Eng
army in north]; [004 In 1339 gov of Carnarvon Castle] [112 In 1340 as admiral of
the ships at Portsmouth distinguished himself at Sluys]; [048 In 1342 in the
Fr wars, at the siege of Vannes, and the relief of Thouars; In 1344 founded
Chantry at Arundel castle in exchange of annulment of his m] [112 In 1344
joint lt of Aquitaine; In 1345-7 admiral of the west] [004 In 1345 Sheriff of
Salop for life; In wars with Fr and; Admiral of the West; Comm 2 div at Crecy;
In 1347 at fall of Calais] [112 In 1350 at naval action with Sp off
Winchelsea] [048 In 1354 founded religious college at the castle, in his Will left
1,000M to complete it] [004 On 30 Jun 1347 iht his maternal uncle JOHN DE
WARRENNE Er SURREY estates in Surrey and Sussex and in 1361 after death of John's
widow Joan took the title of Er SURREY; Alienated Nether Bilsington manor,
Kent; m1 (On 4 Dec 1344 annuled on grounds of minority and lack of consent) 9
Feb 1320/1, King's Chapel, Havering-atte-Bower, Isabel (c1312-) d of Sir HUGH
le DESPENSER (-1326 Ex) the yngr Ld LE DESPENSER by Eleanor d&ch of GILBERT de
CLARE Er GLOUCESTER (-ex); m2 5 Feb 1344/5, (later papal dispensation
obtained) Ditton, Eleanor (-11 Jan 1372 Arundel bur Lewes) (whom he had been living
with) d of HENRY Er LANCASTER by Maud d&h of Sir PATRICK de CHAWICES or
CHAWORTH and wdw of JOHN DE BEAUMONT 2Ld BEAUMONT (Eleanor was his 2nd cousin
once removed and 1st cousin of his m1)] [004 states RICHARD was born c1313,
but this is inconsistant with his death in his 70th year]
ISSUE OF RICHARD by m1 Isabel le Despenser
1. [004 EDMUND (c1327->1377) knt (1352): made ill’ by parents annulment;
m<Jul 1349 Sibyl d of WILLIAM MONTAGU 1Er of SALISBURY by Katherine d of WILLIAM
de GRANDISON 1Bn
ISSUE OF RICHARD by his m2 to Eleanor d of HENRY Er LANCASTER
1. [004: RICHARD FITZALAN (<1347-21 Sep 1397 bhd Cheapside, bur Augustin
Friars, Bread Str, London, Will 4 Mar 1392/3) 11/4 Er ARUNDEL and Er SURREY; s&h
by m2, probably born before parents m] See separate note for his history
[004 m1 (contract 28 Sep 1359, papel disp same mth) Elizabeth (-3 Apr 1385 bur
Lewes) d of WILLIAM BOHUN* Er NORTHAMPTON by Elizabeth d of BARTHOLOMEW
BADLESMERE; m2 (dsp, fined 500 M for no lic) 15 Aug 1390 Philippe (21 Nov Ludlow-24
Sep 1401 Halnaker, Sussex, bur Boxgrove) d&h of EDMUND MORTIMER Er of MARCH
by Philippe d&h of LIONEL MORTIMER Dk of CLARENCE; She was wdw of JOHN
HASTINGS and m3 >Apr 1398 THOMAS POYNINGS Ld St JOHN of Basing] Left issue by m1
2. [004: JOHN D'ARUNDEL [146: -15 Dec 1379, wrecekd and drowned in Ir Sea,
bur Lewes Priory; 149 p 105: Will Nov 26 1379 requesting bur in Lewes Priory]
sum to Parl 1377-1379 as Bn ARUNDEL; [149 His father left him Bermondsey Inn,
nr Fish Wharf, London] [146: Of Lytchett Mautravers, Dorset; In 1377 Marshal
of Eng; Aiding Dk of BRITTANY defeated Fr fleet off Cornwall] [084 In
1369/70 bought Postling manor, Postling prsh, Kent from trustees of JOHN de DELVES
of Delves-hall, Staffs] [050 Bought Aynowe, [now Aynhoe] nr Banbury, N'hants
from Ld Nevill at sometime held by dame Halwith Sclavering] m [146: 17 Feb
1358/9] Eleanor (c1345-10 Jan 1404/5 [146: 12 Jan 1404/5 testate bur Lewes])
suo jure Bnss MAUTRAVERS d&ch (with Joan (1342-sp) m1 Sir JOHN DE KEYNES of
Wilts m2 Sir ROBERT RUS) of JOHN MAUTRAVERS (-1348/9 dvp) by Gwenthlian and g-d
of Sir JOHN MAUTRAVERS Ld MAUTRAVERS (-1364); She m2 [146 1380 REYNOLD COBHAM
(-6 Jul 1403) 2Bn COBHAM of Sterborough, Lingfield, Surrey]]
3. [048: THOMAS ARUNDEL ([004: c1352-19 Feb 1413] bur Canterbury) [112 In
1374 bp of Ely; In 1388 abp of York; In 1396 abp of Canterbury; In 1386-9,
91-6, 99. 1407 & 12 chancellor of Eng; Impeached; Suspected of taking part in his
br the Er, conspiracy against Rd II & in 1397 exiled [004 to Utrecht] At Rd
II request, the Pope transfered him to St Andrews; In 1399 returned with Hy
IV (whom he crowned)] & restored to Canterbury; Great emminance but accused of
persecution of the Wyckliffites [004 Lollards] and of Sir JOHN OLDCASTLE Ld
COBHAM]
4.[004 Joan (-7 Apr 1419 bur Walden Abbey); benefactor to Walden Abbey; m >
9 Sep 1359 (papel disp Sep 1359, same date as her br's, being related in 4th
degree;) her br's wife's br HUMPHREY (25 Mar 1342-16 Jan 1372/3 spm Will 12
Dec 1372 Pleshey pr 15 May 1373 at Lambeth) 7Er HEREFORD s&h of WILLIAM (-16
Sep 1360) de BOHUN 1Er NORTHAMPTON by Elizabeth (1d of BARTHOLOMEW de
BADLESMERE and 3sis &ch of 1st & 2nd Ld BADLESMERE and wdw of Sir EDMUND DE MORTIMER
Ld MORTIMER of Wigmore) and hier of his uncle HUMPHREY (-15 Oct 1361 unm) de
BOHUN 6Er HEREFORD. » (a. Eleanor m1 THOMAS WOODSTOCK s of Ed III, m2 Sir
WILLIAM BOURCHIER; b. Mary m HENRY later Hy IV)]
5.[004 Alice (-17 Mar 1415/6) m 1364 THOMAS Er KENT (c1320-25 Apr 1397 bur
Bourne, Lincs Will 1397 pr 10 May 1307) s&h of Sir THOMAS de HOLLAND (-Dec 13
1360 Normandy, bur Grey Friars, Satmford, Linc) of Broughton, Bucks; by Joan
(-?8 Aug 1385 Wallingford Castle, Berks bur Grey Friars, Stamford, Lincs) suo
jure Cts of Kent d of EDMUND of WOODSTOCK (1301-1329/30 Ex) Er of KENT etc
6s of Ed I]
JOHN D'ARUNDEL and Eleanor MAUTRAVERS left
1. [146 JOHN (30 Nov 1364-14 Aug 1390 testate bur Missenden Abbey, Bucks
[050 -1391 bhd]); s&h; 2nd Ld ARUNDEL; In 1383 with army in Sc; In 1388 with Eng
fleet under RICHARD Er ARUNDEL; m (»3s) <1385 Elizabeth (-11 Apr 1408, Will
requesting bur in Tewkesbury Abbey) d of EDWARD LE DESPENSER; knt [004: 24
Mar 1335/6 Essendine-11 Nov 1375 Llanblethian, co Glamorgan, bur Tewkesbury] Ld
DESPENCER by [004 m < 2 Aug 1354] Elizabeth (-11 Apr 1408, Will request bur
Tewkesbury Abbey, Glous) d&h of BATHOLOMEW de BURGHERSH Ld BURGHERSH; She m2
WILLIAM ZOUCHE (-13 May 1396 sps) Ld ZOUCHE of Harringworth, Nothants]
2. [Test Vet p 150 WILLIAM ARUNDEL (-Will 1 Aug 1400 at London request bur
in Rochester Priory to which he left £80 promised by king Rd); knt; He left
residue to "carnal brother Sir RICHARD ARUNDEL" and bequest to nephew Sir
WILLIAM ARUNDEL knt; m Agnes (Test Vet p 156) (-Will 6 Sep 1401 requesting bur St
Andrew's Priory, Rochester, under the tomb where me and my husband are
pictured; bequests include to sister Margaret Cobham, to Dame Margaret Felbrigge,
Dame Catherine St Liz and Dame Isabel Vache) Her Will is also in Kent arch'
Med Wills, on computer]
3. THOMAS also called EDWARD
4. HENRY
5. [146: RICHARD DE ARUNDEL (-3 Jun 1419, [149 p 196 Will 8 Jul 1417
requests bur in Lady Chapel, Rochester Abbey]); 2s; knt; of Wychampton, Dorset and
Branton in Wolston; [149: Not in g-f's Will; His br William's Will calls him
his carnel br]; m Alice (-30 Aug 1436) wdw of ROGER BURLEY]
6. [146: Joan de Arundel (-1 Sep 1404 bur Echingham, Sussex) eld d; m1
WILLIAM (-23 Sep 1395, sp, bur Seal, Kent); knt; of Kemsing, Kent 2s of GUY DE
BRIEN knt; m2 (1s+1d) c1401 WILLIAM (-20 Mar 1412/3); knt; of Etchingham, Sussex
s of WILLIAM DE ECHINGHAM knt of Etchingham by Elizabeth] [but eml: by Joan
d of Sir EDMUND THORPE by Jane Norwood, I can find no support for this]
7. [146: Margaret de Arundel (-3 Jul 1438 testate) m (»5s+4d) (lic 9 Oct
1394) WILLIAM (c1368-1 Sep 1414 Belvoir, testate, bur Belvoir Priory) of
Belvoir; KG; 6Ld ROOS of Helmesley; PC; Ld Tres of Eng; s of THOMAS DE ROOS (Stoke
Albany, Northants 13 Jan 1336/7-8 Jun 1384 Uffington, Lincs, testate) knt;
4Ld; by Beatrice (-14 Apr 1415 Will requests bur in Warter Priory) (m 1 Jan
1358/9 her m2, her m1 to MAURICE FITZMAURICE Er DESMOND and m3 c1385 RICHARD
BURLEY (-23 May 1387 sp) knt, KG) d of RALPH DE STAFFORD 1Er STAFFORD] [004 Vol
XI p 98e WILLIAM de Ros 2Ld (father of THOMAS 4Ld) held Wark, N'land]
ISSUE OF JOHN BY Elizabeth LE DESPENSER
1. [004 JOHN (1 Aug 1385 Ditton Manor, Stoke Pogis, Bucks-21 Apr 1421 bur
Arundel); 13/6Er ARUNDEL; s&h; k/a Ld MAUTRAVERS; KB (12 Oct 1399); On death of
g-m, de jure Ld MAUTRAVERS; [048 in k's fleet under his kinsman RICHARD 10Er
then in wars of Sc & Fr] In 1415 in the Fr wars; suc to Castle and Honour of
Arundel; On 3 Sep 1416 said to have been sum to Parl as Earl of ARUNDEL; m <
1407 Eleanor (-1 Aug 1455 bur Arundel, Will 20 Jul 1455 pr 23 Aug 1455) d of
Sir JOHN BERKELEY of Beverstone, Glous by his m1 Elizabeth d&h of Sir John
BETTESHORNE of Betteshorne, Sopley, Hants; She m2 c1423 Sir RICHARD (-10 Jun
1429 vp) s&h ap of ROBERT POYNINGS* Ld POYNINGS; m3 <8 May 1439 WALTER
HUNGERFORD (-9 Aug 1449) Ld HUNGERFORD] [eml quoting "Pedigrees from the Plea
Rolls" p 260 Dorset. De Banco. Mich 10 Hen. 4 m 388 JOHN ARUNDELL sued JOHN
QUYNTON for the manor of Lodres and p 275 Dorset De Banco. Mich 13 Hen 4 m 521 sued
RICHARD de ARUNDEL, Chivaler for the manor of Whychampton and again in Mich
1 Hen 5]
LEFT ISSUE
2. EDMUND [050 Sir EDWARD (-bur 2 Nov 1412 Austin Friars, Ldn) Of Anynho; m
Elizabeth (->1471) d of Sir JOHN SCARGILL [052 SKARGELL] (bur White Friers,
London) by d of Sir JOHN WARBURTON of Cheshire]
3 [146: THOMAS ARUNDEL (-c1430 o/seas) knt; 3s; Steward of H/h to Hy VI; gr
Betchworth by his father; m (»2i) Joan d of HENRY MOYNE She m2 <1437 JOHN
BURDENS]
ISSUE OF THOMAS ARUNDEL BY Joan Moyne
1. [146: WILLIAM (-<1437 o/seas)]
2. [146: Alianor; d&h; m1 (7s+2d) c1431 THOMAS BROWNE (-Jul 1460 bhd) knt;
of Betchworth Castle, jure uxoris; [048 Of Kent; Tres of household of Hy VI];
In 1440 and 1460 Sheriff of Kent; On 20 Jul 1460 convicted of treason; s of
RICHARD BROWNE knt; She m2 1461 THOMAS VAUGHAN; [eml (1425-1483)] Esq of the
body of Ed IV; of Tretower; he and GEORGE s of Sir TOMAS BROWNE are mentioned
in "Battle of Tewkesbury, A Roll of Arms" by Geoffrey Wheeler, 1971]
More details of Sir Thomas Browne
Grocer, citizen of London, acquired properties in Kent; comptroller of the
household
1428 Edward Guildford released to Walter Hungerford, William Darel, Thomas
Browne, and John Forescue the Manor of Eygthorne, to the use of Thomas Browne
1431 [067 has 1434] Married Eleanor d&h of Sir Thomas Fitz‑Alan of
Beechworth/Betchworth Castle, (the br of John, Earl of Arundel) and had issue.
1433, July 11 Perhaps the Thomas Broun who was, with others, ordered to sell
the wine and merchandise taken of the captured Spanish ship Manequeneth
1434 June 8 With others, given a commission to muster men at arms at Dover.
1434 July 12 With others, given a commission to muster men at arms at Dover.
1434-35 Acquired Harbledowne, Tennington, and West Bere, Kent from John
Fogge
1435 March 30 Perhaps the Thomas Broune merchant to ship wool to Calais for
the king
1437, Oct 10 Justice
1437 Nov 27 Comm to make inquisition in Kent
1438 Feb 12 Comm to make inquisition in Kent
1438 May 12 Pardon with John Broun and four others after entering 100 acres
in Parish of la Rivere by Dover bought from Thomas Thorold and entering it
without licence.
1438 May 26 Comm re inquisition into the state of Newenton by Hethe, etc
1438 Dec 12 Comm to make inquisition in Kent
1439 Mar 19 One of the commissioners for Kent to raise a loan for the king.
1439-40 MP for Kent
1440 July 24 Licence to sell wool abroad, in consideration of his recent
misfortunes and impoverishments in Kent
1440 Aug 18 Licence for life to trade over-seas
1442 Mar 30 Comm to raise loan for king in Kent
1443 Feb 16 Comm to make inquisition in Kent
1443 Mar 18 Acquired the marriage and wardship of John s&h of Thomas Torell
(Tyrell*) of Shelley/Shellow, Bowells, Ongar, Essex
1443 May 8 Comm to make inquisition in Kent
1443-44 Sheriff of Kent
1444 July 11 Acquired, with others, marriage of Robert s&h of Robert Kirkham
1445 Acquired West Bere from John Scott
1445 Oct 8 Licence to trade with aliens etc
1445-46 MP for Kent
1446 June 1 Comm to raise loan in Kent for king
1446 Dec Exchequer clerk
1447 c. Feb Under treasurer of the exchequer
1447 Feb 8 Granted stewardship of lordships of Mylton and Merden Kent after
death of Dk of Gloucester (who d 23 Feb 1446/7, whilst under arrest)
1447 July 18 Appointed under-treasurer of the exchequer
1449 July 8 Granted right to hold annual fairs at Eythorne, Kent;
Kyngesnede, Kent; Swanscombe, Kent; Wymblyngweld, Kent; Tong, Kent; Betchworth, Surrey
1449 July 12 Granted exemption from assizes etc.
1449 Sep 25 Comm to raise a loan for the king in Kent
Parl. of Nov 1449 The staplers of Calais continued their campaign against
the hated licences to bypass Calais in o/seas trade, and Henry VI reluctantly
agreed to annul all but those granted to the queen, Suffolk, Thomas
Walsingham, Thomas Browne, John Pennington, (these last 3 were members of the royal
household) and the prior of Bridlington
1450 Slandered by the populace
Jul 1453 July Admitted to the council
July 1453 Joined the council of Hy VI, which also included Sir Thomas
Tyrell, Whittingham and Thorp
1458 On commission at Rochester to inquire into the quarrel between Richard
Nevill Er of Warwick and the citizens of Lubeck
1458 Ganted (Royal?) Swanscombe manor, plus grant of a fair, Kent but soon
afterwards it returned to Dk of York.
1459 June 1x 1461 July 20 Thomas’ wife Eleanor was devised, Manors of
Pluckley and Waldershare (Waldeshare) in Tenterton/Tenderden from Joan Knowght,
(-Will 1 June 1459) g-dau and heir of Richard Malmayn and dau of Henry Knowght.
Eleanor is incorrectly called a widow.
1459 c.Dec Granted Swanscombe manor
1460 Sheriff of Kent
c1460 At latter end of Hy VI Browne acquired Caldham/Coldham, and Hoptons
manor. Alkham and Morehall manor, Cheriton all of, or near Folkestone. From
Robert Brandred and Morris-court, Bapchild (which may have been acquired by the
Brownes before 1412); Tong manor (royal grant?); and Eythorne manor (050
states this was acquired 7 Hy VI, 1428-9) acquired from Sir Walter Hungerford and
Batfriston manor, Wyborne's estate acquired from John de Monyngham; manor of
Hartangre, Barson parish; Land called `Walsted' and `Huddes' at Lindfield,
Sussex. For Betchworth and land in Surrey see ipm, Dorking and for London
the inquisition both below.
Jul 1460 Temp bat of Northampton, the Lancastrians held up in the Tower of
London were Lords Scales (Thomas de Scales k 25 Jul 1460 attempting to escape
from tower), Moleyns (Robert Hungerford who m Eleanor d&h of Wm de Moleyns,
escaped from the Tower but bhd 18 May 1464), Lovel (John Lovel, released, d
1464/5), Vesci (Henry Bromflete, released from Tower; d 1468/9), and De la
Warr (Richard West, released from Tower, d. 1475/6), as well as household
figures like Sir Edmund Hampden, Sir Thomas Browne, Sir Gervase Clifton, and Sir
Thomas Tyrell. The Tower, besieged by Ld Cobham and the sheriffs, surrendered
on 19 July, and in the last week of July a Sir Thomas Browne with at least 6
others were condemned and beheaded at Tyburn
20 July 1460 Tried and convicted of high treason, beheaded and attainted
c1461 His widow m2 Thomas Vaughan of Tretower, Wales, later KB.
28 May 1476 ipm at Dorking
Issue of Sir Thomas Browne and Eleanor FitzAlan
1. George Browne (-1483 bhd); knt m1471 Elizabeth d of Sir William Paston,
left issue the Brownes of Betchworth Castle
2 Thomas
3. Robert (-PCC Will 1509) m Anne and left Eleanor m Sir Thomas Fogg
4. Anthony Browne (-1406) m1 Eleanor d of Robert Ughtred (left Anne one of
the wives of Charles Brandon later duke of Suffolk); m2 Lucy (-Will 1531 bur
1534) d&ch of John Nevil Mq of Montaque and widow of Sir Thomas FitzWilliam
(leaving William FitzWilliam earl of Southampton) and left Sir Anthony Browne
father of Sir Anthony Browne 1st Vt Montague
5. William m? Mary d of Sir Wm Mallett
6. Leonard
7. Edward
8? Katherine m Humphrey or Richard Sackville
Some refs:
004 CP
149 Testamenta Vetusta
048 Burke’s extinct peerage
112 Oxford Concise DNB
084 Hasted’s History of Kent
050 John Pym Yeatman’s Browne’s of Betchworth Castle
146 David Faris’ Plantagenet Ancestry