Letter to GBR concerning additions/ corrections to RD600
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John Brandon
Letter to GBR concerning additions/ corrections to RD600
Below please find a rough outline of a letter I'm planning to send to
Gary Boyd Roberts concerning thoughts on a few additions and/or
corrections to the 2006 edition of his _Royal Descents of 600
Immigrants_. I welcome any comments or suggestions made in the next
few days (before I finalize the letter).
Dear Gary,
I recently purchased your updated, 2006 edition of _The Royal Descents
of 600 Immigrants_, and was pleased to note you had made use of some of
my suggestions (Mrs. Mary Woodcock Bridges, Thomas Law, et. al.). I
found the Addendum quite interesting and informative.
Here are a few, small additions for your consideration:
1. Page 155 (Anne Humphrey Palmes Myles). I see you've added a note
mentioning that "Elizabeth [Humphrey] may have married Adam Ot(t)ley of
Lynn." Although Robert Charles Anderson's _Great Migration_ sketch
does not mention this marriage, see _Records and Files of the Quarterly
Courts of Essex County_, 2:394-95, for the statement that "when ye sd
[John] Humfrey went for England [he] Left his son in Law _otly_ Att ye
house." (EQC records also show that Ottley acted many times as
attorney for Mr. Humphrey in this time period).
I suspect that John Humphrey may have living descendants through
another daughter (besides Susannah) of Mrs. Anne Humphrey Palmes Myles.
See NEHGR 31: 307-08 for the contemporary statement that Mrs. Anne
Palmes brought a son and three daughters with her on her return to New
England, and that her daughters (1) "Mrs. Susannah Palmes" married
Samuel Avery, and (2) "Mrs. Anne Palmes" married Nicholas Lang--these
marriages are found in the extracted IGI, having occurred, 25 Oct. 1686
and 10 Jan. 1687 respectively, at Swansea, Mass. (_Records and Files
of the Quarterly Courts of Essex County_, 8: 137-38, 174 mentions the
involvement of Mr. Jonathan Palmes, the son of Anne Humphrey Palmes
Myles, and his sister Elizabeth, wife of Griffin Edwards, in a 1680s
dispute over property at Lynn). Hence the three daughters Mrs. Anne
Palmes brought over to New England were named Elizabeth, Susannah, and
Anne.
Turning to _Abstracts of Wills on File in the Surrogate's
Office, City of New York_, vol. 3 (1730-1744), p. 29, we find the will
of a certain Nicholas Lange. His will is dated 15 July 1728, and
proved 20 April 1731. "[B]eing by Divine Favour in tolerable health,"
he divides his modest estate in six parts, five of them to his five
children, "Elizabeth Forman, William [Lange], Ann Hutton, Susannah
Sands, and Sarah Forman." Though his wife was deceased, and so not
named, he _did_ have a daughter called Ann. The use of the names
Susannah and Elizabeth is also a tantalizing hint that this is perhaps
the Nicholas Lang who had married the daughter of Mrs. Anne Humphrey
Palmes Myles at Swansea in 1687. (I believe there would be living
descendants of Nicholas Lang of Westchester.)
2. Page 268-69 (Joseph Bolles). Just wanted to point out that a
funeral certificate (and death date) for Thomas Bolles of Osberton,
Notts., father of the American immigrant, may be available. See List
and Index Society, vol. 273 (_State Papers Domestic Charles I to James
II_) which includes a small stash of funeral certificates found in
S.[tate] P.[apers] 17/G. Note that there is a 1638 funeral certificate
by John Newton for one "Thomas Bolles of Ollerton [sic ?], Notts, d 19
March 1636: details of wives and children." Thomas Bolles of Osberton
certainly had _wives_--in the plural--Elizabeth Perkins and Mary
(Witham) Jopson. I speculate that the place name "Ollerton" _could_ be
a misreading of "Osberton," if a descender was used on the "s" and the
bottom loop on the "b" was not clear. This item would be worth
checking out for Bolles descendants.
3. Page 298 (Arthur Storer and Mrs. Anne Storer Truman Skinner). I've
noticed that Edward Storer of Buckminster, father of Arthur and Anne
Storer of Maryland, had a first marriage, per extracted IGI, 31 Oct.
1637, at Wysall, Nottinghamshire, to Mary Widmerpole of a gentry family
covered in Dugdale's 1662-64 Notts. Visitation (see enclosed
photocopies). I suppose this means that Arthur Storer's sister Anne
may have been by the first wife Mary, rather than by Catherine
Babington. Would there be any royal lines for the Widmerpole family?
4. Page 407 (Christopher Batt). In a few places in the text, you note
the relationships of particular immigrants to Queens Mary and Anne
through the Hyde family (for instance, pp. 53, 464). You might wish to
note Christopher Batt's close relationship to Queen Mary and Queen
Anne--this connection can be traced from a brief note on "Clarendon's
Grandparents" published in 1975 by Charles Evans in _Notes and Queries_
(see enclosed photocopies). The widow Anne Baynton Batt actually wrote
to Lord Clarendon, close cousin of her late husband, from Boston in
1664 concerning the renewal of Ferdinando Baynton's wine license (see
F. J. Routledge, ed., _Calendar of the Clarendon State Papers Preserved
in the Bodleian Library_, 5 vols. [Oxford: Clarendon Press, 18(
)-1872], 5:420).
5. Page 819 (wife of Gov. James Glen of S.C.). A nearly contemporary
source for the marriage of Gov. James Glen of S.C. is Wotton's
_Baronetage of England_ (1741), sub "Wilson of East-Bourne, Sussex,"
which mentions a certain "Elizabeth [Wilson], married to the honourable
James Glen, of Linlithgow in North-Britain, Esq; captain-general and
governor in chief, &c. of the province of South-Carolina." As you
note, this Elizabeth Wilson may, in fact, have been the illegitimate
daughter of the Earl of Wilmington.
6. Page 835 (Mrs. Elizabeth Bullock Clements). This new line by
Leslie Mahler, while speculative, is very interesting. In Leslie's
reconstruction, Mrs. Clements would be a great-great granddaughter of
Gilbert and Margaret (Norris) Bullock of Arborfield. Another immigrant
with a line from this couple is Mr. Edward Bromfield of Boston:
10. Margaret Norris/Norreys = Gilbert Bullock
11. Anne Bullock = Oliver Oglander
12. George Oglander = Alice Hamond
13. Sir William Oglander = Ann Dillington
14. Mary Oglander = Thomas Kempe
15. Frances Kempe = Henry Bromfield
16. Edward Bromfield of Mass.
My sources for this are the "Bullock of Arborfield" pedigree in the
1532 Berkshire Visitation (HSPVS, vol 56, 1907); Cecil
Aspinall-Oglander, _Nunwell Symphony_, pp. 17, 66-67, and fold-out
chart in back; there is also an Oglander pedigree showing this
connection in Hutchins' _Dorset).
Gary Boyd Roberts concerning thoughts on a few additions and/or
corrections to the 2006 edition of his _Royal Descents of 600
Immigrants_. I welcome any comments or suggestions made in the next
few days (before I finalize the letter).
Dear Gary,
I recently purchased your updated, 2006 edition of _The Royal Descents
of 600 Immigrants_, and was pleased to note you had made use of some of
my suggestions (Mrs. Mary Woodcock Bridges, Thomas Law, et. al.). I
found the Addendum quite interesting and informative.
Here are a few, small additions for your consideration:
1. Page 155 (Anne Humphrey Palmes Myles). I see you've added a note
mentioning that "Elizabeth [Humphrey] may have married Adam Ot(t)ley of
Lynn." Although Robert Charles Anderson's _Great Migration_ sketch
does not mention this marriage, see _Records and Files of the Quarterly
Courts of Essex County_, 2:394-95, for the statement that "when ye sd
[John] Humfrey went for England [he] Left his son in Law _otly_ Att ye
house." (EQC records also show that Ottley acted many times as
attorney for Mr. Humphrey in this time period).
I suspect that John Humphrey may have living descendants through
another daughter (besides Susannah) of Mrs. Anne Humphrey Palmes Myles.
See NEHGR 31: 307-08 for the contemporary statement that Mrs. Anne
Palmes brought a son and three daughters with her on her return to New
England, and that her daughters (1) "Mrs. Susannah Palmes" married
Samuel Avery, and (2) "Mrs. Anne Palmes" married Nicholas Lang--these
marriages are found in the extracted IGI, having occurred, 25 Oct. 1686
and 10 Jan. 1687 respectively, at Swansea, Mass. (_Records and Files
of the Quarterly Courts of Essex County_, 8: 137-38, 174 mentions the
involvement of Mr. Jonathan Palmes, the son of Anne Humphrey Palmes
Myles, and his sister Elizabeth, wife of Griffin Edwards, in a 1680s
dispute over property at Lynn). Hence the three daughters Mrs. Anne
Palmes brought over to New England were named Elizabeth, Susannah, and
Anne.
Turning to _Abstracts of Wills on File in the Surrogate's
Office, City of New York_, vol. 3 (1730-1744), p. 29, we find the will
of a certain Nicholas Lange. His will is dated 15 July 1728, and
proved 20 April 1731. "[B]eing by Divine Favour in tolerable health,"
he divides his modest estate in six parts, five of them to his five
children, "Elizabeth Forman, William [Lange], Ann Hutton, Susannah
Sands, and Sarah Forman." Though his wife was deceased, and so not
named, he _did_ have a daughter called Ann. The use of the names
Susannah and Elizabeth is also a tantalizing hint that this is perhaps
the Nicholas Lang who had married the daughter of Mrs. Anne Humphrey
Palmes Myles at Swansea in 1687. (I believe there would be living
descendants of Nicholas Lang of Westchester.)
2. Page 268-69 (Joseph Bolles). Just wanted to point out that a
funeral certificate (and death date) for Thomas Bolles of Osberton,
Notts., father of the American immigrant, may be available. See List
and Index Society, vol. 273 (_State Papers Domestic Charles I to James
II_) which includes a small stash of funeral certificates found in
S.[tate] P.[apers] 17/G. Note that there is a 1638 funeral certificate
by John Newton for one "Thomas Bolles of Ollerton [sic ?], Notts, d 19
March 1636: details of wives and children." Thomas Bolles of Osberton
certainly had _wives_--in the plural--Elizabeth Perkins and Mary
(Witham) Jopson. I speculate that the place name "Ollerton" _could_ be
a misreading of "Osberton," if a descender was used on the "s" and the
bottom loop on the "b" was not clear. This item would be worth
checking out for Bolles descendants.
3. Page 298 (Arthur Storer and Mrs. Anne Storer Truman Skinner). I've
noticed that Edward Storer of Buckminster, father of Arthur and Anne
Storer of Maryland, had a first marriage, per extracted IGI, 31 Oct.
1637, at Wysall, Nottinghamshire, to Mary Widmerpole of a gentry family
covered in Dugdale's 1662-64 Notts. Visitation (see enclosed
photocopies). I suppose this means that Arthur Storer's sister Anne
may have been by the first wife Mary, rather than by Catherine
Babington. Would there be any royal lines for the Widmerpole family?
4. Page 407 (Christopher Batt). In a few places in the text, you note
the relationships of particular immigrants to Queens Mary and Anne
through the Hyde family (for instance, pp. 53, 464). You might wish to
note Christopher Batt's close relationship to Queen Mary and Queen
Anne--this connection can be traced from a brief note on "Clarendon's
Grandparents" published in 1975 by Charles Evans in _Notes and Queries_
(see enclosed photocopies). The widow Anne Baynton Batt actually wrote
to Lord Clarendon, close cousin of her late husband, from Boston in
1664 concerning the renewal of Ferdinando Baynton's wine license (see
F. J. Routledge, ed., _Calendar of the Clarendon State Papers Preserved
in the Bodleian Library_, 5 vols. [Oxford: Clarendon Press, 18(
)-1872], 5:420).
5. Page 819 (wife of Gov. James Glen of S.C.). A nearly contemporary
source for the marriage of Gov. James Glen of S.C. is Wotton's
_Baronetage of England_ (1741), sub "Wilson of East-Bourne, Sussex,"
which mentions a certain "Elizabeth [Wilson], married to the honourable
James Glen, of Linlithgow in North-Britain, Esq; captain-general and
governor in chief, &c. of the province of South-Carolina." As you
note, this Elizabeth Wilson may, in fact, have been the illegitimate
daughter of the Earl of Wilmington.
6. Page 835 (Mrs. Elizabeth Bullock Clements). This new line by
Leslie Mahler, while speculative, is very interesting. In Leslie's
reconstruction, Mrs. Clements would be a great-great granddaughter of
Gilbert and Margaret (Norris) Bullock of Arborfield. Another immigrant
with a line from this couple is Mr. Edward Bromfield of Boston:
10. Margaret Norris/Norreys = Gilbert Bullock
11. Anne Bullock = Oliver Oglander
12. George Oglander = Alice Hamond
13. Sir William Oglander = Ann Dillington
14. Mary Oglander = Thomas Kempe
15. Frances Kempe = Henry Bromfield
16. Edward Bromfield of Mass.
My sources for this are the "Bullock of Arborfield" pedigree in the
1532 Berkshire Visitation (HSPVS, vol 56, 1907); Cecil
Aspinall-Oglander, _Nunwell Symphony_, pp. 17, 66-67, and fold-out
chart in back; there is also an Oglander pedigree showing this
connection in Hutchins' _Dorset).
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Gjest
Re: Letter to GBR concerning additions/ corrections to RD600
I dont know if its fair to call Elizabeth Bullock Clement a speculative
case.
There are a number of records connecting Augustine Clement & Edward
Bullock to each other. They originated in neighboring parishes, one
calls the other 'brother' etc.
Leslie
case.
There are a number of records connecting Augustine Clement & Edward
Bullock to each other. They originated in neighboring parishes, one
calls the other 'brother' etc.
Leslie
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John Brandon
Re: Letter to GBR concerning additions/ corrections to RD600
I believe the will of Edward Bullock, as printed in NEHGR, calls two
men "brother," Clements and someone else. I thought it was odd that
RCA's _Great Migration_ sketch of Bullock only mentioned one of the
brothers (i.e., Clements). It seemed at least *possible* to me that
Bullock was using the term "brother" in the religious sense.
lmahler@att.net wrote:
men "brother," Clements and someone else. I thought it was odd that
RCA's _Great Migration_ sketch of Bullock only mentioned one of the
brothers (i.e., Clements). It seemed at least *possible* to me that
Bullock was using the term "brother" in the religious sense.
lmahler@att.net wrote:
I dont know if its fair to call Elizabeth Bullock Clement a speculative
case.
There are a number of records connecting Augustine Clement & Edward
Bullock to each other. They originated in neighboring parishes, one
calls the other 'brother' etc.
Leslie
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Gjest
Re: Letter to GBR concerning additions/ corrections to RD600
The will was published in NEHGR 6: 355,
and mentions a brother Wales.
Something that the Great Migration sketch noted is
that Edward Bullock was NOT a church member.
Leslie
and mentions a brother Wales.
Something that the Great Migration sketch noted is
that Edward Bullock was NOT a church member.
Leslie
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John Brandon
Re: Letter to GBR concerning additions/ corrections to RD600
Guess that helps a little. Still, it makes one uncomfortable when
these wills throw around the word "brother" too much ... and there's no
_provable_ relationship between any of the parties.
lmahler@att.net wrote:
these wills throw around the word "brother" too much ... and there's no
_provable_ relationship between any of the parties.
lmahler@att.net wrote:
The will was published in NEHGR 6: 355,
and mentions a brother Wales.
Something that the Great Migration sketch noted is
that Edward Bullock was NOT a church member.
Leslie
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John Brandon
Re: Letter to GBR concerning additions/ corrections to RD600
I suspect that John Humphrey may have living descendants through
another daughter (besides Susannah) of Mrs. Anne Humphrey Palmes Myles.
See NEHGR 31: 307-08 for the contemporary statement that Mrs. Anne
Palmes brought a son and three daughters with her on her return to New
England, and that her daughters (1) "Mrs. Susannah Palmes" married
Samuel Avery, and (2) "Mrs. Anne Palmes" married Nicholas Lang--these
marriages are found in the extracted IGI, having occurred, 25 Oct. 1686
and 10 Jan. 1687 respectively, at Swansea, Mass. (_Records and Files
of the Quarterly Courts of Essex County_, 8: 137-38, 174 mentions the
involvement of Mr. Jonathan Palmes, the son of Anne Humphrey Palmes
Myles, and his sister Elizabeth, wife of Griffin Edwards, in a 1680s
dispute over property at Lynn). Hence the three daughters Mrs. Anne
Palmes brought over to New England were named Elizabeth, Susannah, and
Anne.
Turning to _Abstracts of Wills on File in the Surrogate's
Office, City of New York_, vol. 3 (1730-1744), p. 29, we find the will
of a certain Nicholas Lange. His will is dated 15 July 1728, and
proved 20 April 1731. "[B]eing by Divine Favour in tolerable health,"
he divides his modest estate in six parts, five of them to his five
children, "Elizabeth Forman, William [Lange], Ann Hutton, Susannah
Sands, and Sarah Forman." Though his wife was deceased, and so not
named, he _did_ have a daughter called Ann. The use of the names
Susannah and Elizabeth is also a tantalizing hint that this is perhaps
the Nicholas Lang who had married the daughter of Mrs. Anne Humphrey
Palmes Myles at Swansea in 1687. (I believe there would be living
descendants of Nicholas Lang of Westchester.)
http://books.google.com/books?vid=0ugqE ... nge&pgis=1
The bottom line (barely visible) says something about going to Bristol
(Rhode Island) to implead Nicholas Lang.
Then, the blurb on the sixth item in this list mentions "Delivery of
These Presents Well and Truly Paid by Nicholas Lange of New Port on
[Rhode Island]," thus connecting the R.I. man with New York.
http://books.google.com/books?q=%22nich ... s&as_brr=0
Note also that "Nicholas Lange" was sheriff in Rhode Island in the
early 1700s ...
http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN0 ... olas+lange