Today I have been reading a book
http://content.ancestry.com/Browse/Book ... GenMono000
588-00099-1
"A Genealogical and Historical Account of the Throckmorton family in England
and the United States", C Wickliffe Throckmorton. Old Dominion Press,
Richmond VA. 1930
Within this book he states that "Nash in his History of Worcestershire, page
70, gives the following description of the tomb of Ralph Sheldon, who married
Anne Throckmorton"
and then he gives the arms that are on the tomb
1 Sheldon 2 Ruding 3 Heath 4 Grove "quartering" Ruding, Heath, Grove,
Willington "and lastly Sheldon as the first" and then "impaling" Throckmorton,
Abberbury, Olney, Spinney, Bosom, Besford
Confusing. I had to read it five times and I still don't think I understand
what he's saying. But my questions are
1) Who is Ruding? I don't think I've ever encountered this surname todate
and I don't see it in my database
2) Same with Abberbury.
Maybe these two things could help with the ancestry of this family.
Thanks
Will Johnson
Heraldry: Ralph Sheldon of Beoley / Anne Throckmorton
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Re: Heraldry: Ralph Sheldon of Beoley / Anne Throckmorton
"Nash in his History of Worcestershire, page
not sure about Ruding (perhaps Cotton of Rudheath), or Grove. They
make sense with his ancestry. Wife's ancestry includes Adderbury,
Olney, Spineto, Bosom and Besford.
Ralph Sheldon son of Mary Wilington - heiress
grandson of Philippe Heath - heiress
great great grandson of Margaret Olney- heiress
gr-gr grandson Goditha Bossom? - heiress
gr4x grandson Dionisia Adderbury - heiress
Anne Throckmorton also descended from Margaret Olney gr gr grandmother,
Eleanor de Spineto (gr3xgrandmother), Agnes Besford (gr4x grandmother)
Am traveling again.
Some references for the applicable descents:
G A Moriarty, Throckmorton of Throckmorton and Coughton, Miscellanea
Genealogica et Heraldica, series 5, vol. 6: 225 et seq.
NEHGR 98: 67-72, 111-123.
Henry Chitty and John Phillipot, The Visitation of the County of
Gloucester, 1623, London (1885), pps 162-163.
The Visitation of Norfolk, 1563, 1613, London, ed. Walter Rye, (1891),
pps 282-283.
Paul C. Reed post to Gen-Medieval-L dated 10 Aug 1998, Re: Besford was
Re: Sir Robert de Harley.
VCH Worcestershire.
C. Wickliffe Throckmorton, A Genealogical and Historical Account of the
Throckmorton Family in England and the United States with Brief Notes
on Some of the Allied Families, (Old Dominion Press, Inc., Richmond VA,
1930), Page 40.
Ralph Sheldon and Anne Throckmorton were 3rd cousins.
Doug Smith
70, gives the following description of the tomb of Ralph Sheldon, who married
Anne Throckmorton"
and then he gives the arms that are on the tomb
1 Sheldon 2 Ruding 3 Heath 4 Grove "quartering" Ruding, Heath, Grove,
Willington "and lastly Sheldon as the first" and then "impaling" Throckmorton,
Abberbury[Adderbury], Olney, Spinney[Spineto], Bosom, Besford
not sure about Ruding (perhaps Cotton of Rudheath), or Grove. They
make sense with his ancestry. Wife's ancestry includes Adderbury,
Olney, Spineto, Bosom and Besford.
Ralph Sheldon son of Mary Wilington - heiress
grandson of Philippe Heath - heiress
great great grandson of Margaret Olney- heiress
gr-gr grandson Goditha Bossom? - heiress
gr4x grandson Dionisia Adderbury - heiress
Anne Throckmorton also descended from Margaret Olney gr gr grandmother,
Eleanor de Spineto (gr3xgrandmother), Agnes Besford (gr4x grandmother)
Am traveling again.
Some references for the applicable descents:
G A Moriarty, Throckmorton of Throckmorton and Coughton, Miscellanea
Genealogica et Heraldica, series 5, vol. 6: 225 et seq.
NEHGR 98: 67-72, 111-123.
Henry Chitty and John Phillipot, The Visitation of the County of
Gloucester, 1623, London (1885), pps 162-163.
The Visitation of Norfolk, 1563, 1613, London, ed. Walter Rye, (1891),
pps 282-283.
Paul C. Reed post to Gen-Medieval-L dated 10 Aug 1998, Re: Besford was
Re: Sir Robert de Harley.
VCH Worcestershire.
C. Wickliffe Throckmorton, A Genealogical and Historical Account of the
Throckmorton Family in England and the United States with Brief Notes
on Some of the Allied Families, (Old Dominion Press, Inc., Richmond VA,
1930), Page 40.
Ralph Sheldon and Anne Throckmorton were 3rd cousins.
Doug Smith
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John Higgins
Re: Heraldry: Ralph Sheldon of Beoley / Anne Throckmorton
For Abberbury [sometimes called Adderbury], see the pedigree opposite [or at
least near] p. 93 in the Throckmorton book you cite [titled "Olney Chart" in
the table of contents]. There is also a small piece of text on Abberbury on
pp. 30-31 of the same book.
HOP 1386-1421 [Roskell] has a rather long and well-sourced article on Sir
Richard Abberbury and a separate article on his son also Sir Richard. Based
on these two sources it appears that Sir Richard the elder had three
daughters [not two as in HOP] who were his eventual heirs after the younger
Sir Richard died sp. The daughters [in no particular order] were:
Dionysia, m. John de Olney
Elizabeth, m. John Beaufo
Lucy, m. Richard Arches
The Olney and Beaufo marriages lead to branches of the Throckmortons, while
a granddaughter of the Arches marriage mar. John, Lord Dinham.
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least near] p. 93 in the Throckmorton book you cite [titled "Olney Chart" in
the table of contents]. There is also a small piece of text on Abberbury on
pp. 30-31 of the same book.
HOP 1386-1421 [Roskell] has a rather long and well-sourced article on Sir
Richard Abberbury and a separate article on his son also Sir Richard. Based
on these two sources it appears that Sir Richard the elder had three
daughters [not two as in HOP] who were his eventual heirs after the younger
Sir Richard died sp. The daughters [in no particular order] were:
Dionysia, m. John de Olney
Elizabeth, m. John Beaufo
Lucy, m. Richard Arches
The Olney and Beaufo marriages lead to branches of the Throckmortons, while
a granddaughter of the Arches marriage mar. John, Lord Dinham.
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588-00099-1
"A Genealogical and Historical Account of the Throckmorton family in
England
and the United States", C Wickliffe Throckmorton. Old Dominion Press,
Richmond VA. 1930
Within this book he states that "Nash in his History of Worcestershire,
page
70, gives the following description of the tomb of Ralph Sheldon, who
married
Anne Throckmorton"
and then he gives the arms that are on the tomb
1 Sheldon 2 Ruding 3 Heath 4 Grove "quartering" Ruding, Heath, Grove,
Willington "and lastly Sheldon as the first" and then "impaling"
Throckmorton,
Abberbury, Olney, Spinney, Bosom, Besford
Confusing. I had to read it five times and I still don't think I
understand
what he's saying. But my questions are
1) Who is Ruding? I don't think I've ever encountered this surname todate
and I don't see it in my database
2) Same with Abberbury.
Maybe these two things could help with the ancestry of this family.
Thanks
Will Johnson
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Peter
Re: Heraldry: Ralph Sheldon of Beoley / Anne Throckmorton
And just out of interest, I have this Anne Throckmorton on a collateral line
but don't have any details as to her parents and the link back to the main
Throckmorton line which I have as direct ancestors on other branches of my
tree.
Can anyone help with the linkage?
Thanks
Peter
Syd Aust
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From: <WJhonson@aol.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:17 AM
Subject: Heraldry: Ralph Sheldon of Beoley / Anne Throckmorton
but don't have any details as to her parents and the link back to the main
Throckmorton line which I have as direct ancestors on other branches of my
tree.
Can anyone help with the linkage?
Thanks
Peter
Syd Aust
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From: <WJhonson@aol.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:17 AM
Subject: Heraldry: Ralph Sheldon of Beoley / Anne Throckmorton
Today I have been reading a book
http://content.ancestry.com/Browse/Book ... GenMono000
588-00099-1
"A Genealogical and Historical Account of the Throckmorton family in
England
and the United States", C Wickliffe Throckmorton. Old Dominion Press,
Richmond VA. 1930
Within this book he states that "Nash in his History of Worcestershire,
page
70, gives the following description of the tomb of Ralph Sheldon, who
married
Anne Throckmorton"
and then he gives the arms that are on the tomb
1 Sheldon 2 Ruding 3 Heath 4 Grove "quartering" Ruding, Heath, Grove,
Willington "and lastly Sheldon as the first" and then "impaling"
Throckmorton,
Abberbury, Olney, Spinney, Bosom, Besford
Confusing. I had to read it five times and I still don't think I
understand
what he's saying. But my questions are
1) Who is Ruding? I don't think I've ever encountered this surname todate
and I don't see it in my database
2) Same with Abberbury.
Maybe these two things could help with the ancestry of this family.
Thanks
Will Johnson
-
Robert O'Connor
Re: Heraldry: Ralph Sheldon of Beoley / Anne Throckmorton
""John Higgins"" <jthiggins@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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John
Can you summarise the Olney pedigree at page 93 in the Throckmorton book'?'
for those of us without access to it.
Much appreciated
Robert
news:001a01c67f95$071ca410$12958d47@labs.agilent.com...
For Abberbury [sometimes called Adderbury], see the pedigree opposite [or
at
least near] p. 93 in the Throckmorton book you cite [titled "Olney Chart"
in
the table of contents]. There is also a small piece of text on Abberbury
on
pp. 30-31 of the same book.
John
Can you summarise the Olney pedigree at page 93 in the Throckmorton book'?'
for those of us without access to it.
Much appreciated
Robert