The book "The Shadow of Solomon" makes the claim (p. 71) that Emperor
Napoleon I of France had 300 golden bees, stitched into the burial cloak of
the Merovingian king Childeric I (and unearthed in 1653), sewn into his own
coronation robe in 1804, and that he claimed the right to do so by virtue of
a family descent from James de Rohan-Stuardo, the natural son (legitimized
in 1677) of King Charles II Stuart of Britian by Marguerite, Duchesse de
Rohan.
I can find nothing to confirm this. I know its a little after the medieval
time period, but is this an accepted line, and if so, where can I find more
details?
Regards
JG
Napoleon Descendant of King Charles II???
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Leo van de Pas
Re: Napoleon Descendant of King Charles II???
I do not know this book "The Shadow of Solomon".
Lawrence Gardner in his "Bloodline of the Holy Grail" maintains that King
Charles II (1630-1685) had an affaire with Marguerite de Rohan (1617-1684)
which produced a son.
Charles was 13 years younger and arrived 1649 in France. Marguerite married
in 1645 and had six children with her husband. If they had an affaire it
would have been known much wider and would have been recorded in history
books and biographies.
Of the women in Charles's life of which I can tell,
Marguerite Carteret was 4 years older
Elisabeth de Montmorency was 3 years older
Eleanor Needham was 1 year older
Lucy Walter the same age
Catherine Pegge 5 years younger
Catherine de Braganca 8 years younger
Barbara Villiers 11 years younger
Hortense Mancini 16 years younger
Louise de Kerouaille 19 years younger
Nell Gwyn 20 years younger
Margaret Hughes 21 years younger
And so I doubt Charles would have been involved with a married woman 13
years older, without it being recorded more widely, especially if it had
resulted in a child.
Prince Michael of Albany spells out that (same) line
Charles II = Marguerite de Rohan
James (Giacomo) de Rohano-Stuardo
Principe di Boveria (?) legitimated 1667 (?)= Theresa Corona of Naples
Giacomo Enrico de Rohano-Stuardo=Lucia Minelli
Giuseppe=Marie de Neuhoff daughter of King Theodore of Corsica
Charles (Carlo) Marie Buonaparte=Maria Laetitia Ramolino
Napoleon Bonaparte
If I remember correctly Emperor Franz of Austria suggested to Napoleon to
have a family tree "made" for him tracing back to medieval royalty to which
Napoleon replied "I am my own Rudolf von Habsburg". If he had known that so
close he already had royalty he would have said so.
Michael Ross wrote the biography of Napoleon's brother Joseph "The Reluctant
King". In this book he tells how Joseph was frantic to establish their link
to aristocracy, even if only Italian, as in those pre-revolution days in
France that would give them extra privileges----he did not succeed, not even
to "great-grandfather" King Theodore of Corsica.
I do not think many are aware of the publication "The House of Bonaparte
1640-1965" by D.W.M. Grant which traces the Bonaparte male line into
mideaval times.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
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From: "JG" <jgarner11@kc.rr.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:09 AM
Subject: Napoleon Descendant of King Charles II???
Lawrence Gardner in his "Bloodline of the Holy Grail" maintains that King
Charles II (1630-1685) had an affaire with Marguerite de Rohan (1617-1684)
which produced a son.
Charles was 13 years younger and arrived 1649 in France. Marguerite married
in 1645 and had six children with her husband. If they had an affaire it
would have been known much wider and would have been recorded in history
books and biographies.
Of the women in Charles's life of which I can tell,
Marguerite Carteret was 4 years older
Elisabeth de Montmorency was 3 years older
Eleanor Needham was 1 year older
Lucy Walter the same age
Catherine Pegge 5 years younger
Catherine de Braganca 8 years younger
Barbara Villiers 11 years younger
Hortense Mancini 16 years younger
Louise de Kerouaille 19 years younger
Nell Gwyn 20 years younger
Margaret Hughes 21 years younger
And so I doubt Charles would have been involved with a married woman 13
years older, without it being recorded more widely, especially if it had
resulted in a child.
Prince Michael of Albany spells out that (same) line
Charles II = Marguerite de Rohan
James (Giacomo) de Rohano-Stuardo
Principe di Boveria (?) legitimated 1667 (?)= Theresa Corona of Naples
Giacomo Enrico de Rohano-Stuardo=Lucia Minelli
Giuseppe=Marie de Neuhoff daughter of King Theodore of Corsica
Charles (Carlo) Marie Buonaparte=Maria Laetitia Ramolino
Napoleon Bonaparte
If I remember correctly Emperor Franz of Austria suggested to Napoleon to
have a family tree "made" for him tracing back to medieval royalty to which
Napoleon replied "I am my own Rudolf von Habsburg". If he had known that so
close he already had royalty he would have said so.
Michael Ross wrote the biography of Napoleon's brother Joseph "The Reluctant
King". In this book he tells how Joseph was frantic to establish their link
to aristocracy, even if only Italian, as in those pre-revolution days in
France that would give them extra privileges----he did not succeed, not even
to "great-grandfather" King Theodore of Corsica.
I do not think many are aware of the publication "The House of Bonaparte
1640-1965" by D.W.M. Grant which traces the Bonaparte male line into
mideaval times.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
---- Original Message -----
From: "JG" <jgarner11@kc.rr.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:09 AM
Subject: Napoleon Descendant of King Charles II???
The book "The Shadow of Solomon" makes the claim (p. 71) that Emperor
Napoleon I of France had 300 golden bees, stitched into the burial cloak
of the Merovingian king Childeric I (and unearthed in 1653), sewn into his
own coronation robe in 1804, and that he claimed the right to do so by
virtue of a family descent from James de Rohan-Stuardo, the natural son
(legitimized in 1677) of King Charles II Stuart of Britian by Marguerite,
Duchesse de Rohan.
I can find nothing to confirm this. I know its a little after the medieval
time period, but is this an accepted line, and if so, where can I find
more details?
Regards
JG
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norenxaq
Re: Napoleon Descendant of King Charles II???
Leo van de Pas wrote:
for verification of either lineage
Lawrence Gardner in his "Bloodline of the Holy Grail" maintains that
King Charles II (1630-1685) had an affaire with Marguerite de Rohan
(1617-1684) which produced a son.
Prince Michael of Albany spells out that (same) line
Charles II = Marguerite de Rohan
James (Giacomo) de Rohano-Stuardo
Principe di Boveria (?) legitimated 1667 (?)= Theresa Corona of Naples
Giacomo Enrico de Rohano-Stuardo=Lucia Minelli
Giuseppe=Marie de Neuhoff daughter of King Theodore of Corsica
Charles (Carlo) Marie Buonaparte=Maria Laetitia Ramolino
Napoleon Bonaparte
neither of these works are to be trusted. so one should look elsewhere
for verification of either lineage
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JG
Re: Napoleon Descendant of King Charles II???
Thank you, Leo, your reply is informative and convincing.
I was aware that Lawrence Gardner's book "Bloodline of the Holy Grail" was
pretty much garbage, genealogy-wsie, and this second book "Shadow of
Solomon" is another Gardner book.
Thanks again
Regards
JG
""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:002001c67f84$e7600c80$0300a8c0@Toshiba...
I was aware that Lawrence Gardner's book "Bloodline of the Holy Grail" was
pretty much garbage, genealogy-wsie, and this second book "Shadow of
Solomon" is another Gardner book.
Thanks again
Regards
JG
""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:002001c67f84$e7600c80$0300a8c0@Toshiba...
I do not know this book "The Shadow of Solomon".
Lawrence Gardner in his "Bloodline of the Holy Grail" maintains that King
Charles II (1630-1685) had an affaire with Marguerite de Rohan
(1617-1684) which produced a son.
Charles was 13 years younger and arrived 1649 in France. Marguerite
married in 1645 and had six children with her husband. If they had an
affaire it would have been known much wider and would have been recorded
in history books and biographies.
Of the women in Charles's life of which I can tell,
Marguerite Carteret was 4 years older
Elisabeth de Montmorency was 3 years older
Eleanor Needham was 1 year older
Lucy Walter the same age
Catherine Pegge 5 years younger
Catherine de Braganca 8 years younger
Barbara Villiers 11 years younger
Hortense Mancini 16 years younger
Louise de Kerouaille 19 years younger
Nell Gwyn 20 years younger
Margaret Hughes 21 years younger
And so I doubt Charles would have been involved with a married woman 13
years older, without it being recorded more widely, especially if it had
resulted in a child.
Prince Michael of Albany spells out that (same) line
Charles II = Marguerite de Rohan
James (Giacomo) de Rohano-Stuardo
Principe di Boveria (?) legitimated 1667 (?)= Theresa Corona of Naples
Giacomo Enrico de Rohano-Stuardo=Lucia Minelli
Giuseppe=Marie de Neuhoff daughter of King Theodore of Corsica
Charles (Carlo) Marie Buonaparte=Maria Laetitia Ramolino
Napoleon Bonaparte
If I remember correctly Emperor Franz of Austria suggested to Napoleon to
have a family tree "made" for him tracing back to medieval royalty to
which Napoleon replied "I am my own Rudolf von Habsburg". If he had known
that so close he already had royalty he would have said so.
Michael Ross wrote the biography of Napoleon's brother Joseph "The
Reluctant King". In this book he tells how Joseph was frantic to establish
their link to aristocracy, even if only Italian, as in those
pre-revolution days in France that would give them extra privileges----he
did not succeed, not even to "great-grandfather" King Theodore of Corsica.
I do not think many are aware of the publication "The House of Bonaparte
1640-1965" by D.W.M. Grant which traces the Bonaparte male line into
mideaval times.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
---- Original Message -----
From: "JG" <jgarner11@kc.rr.com
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:09 AM
Subject: Napoleon Descendant of King Charles II???
The book "The Shadow of Solomon" makes the claim (p. 71) that Emperor
Napoleon I of France had 300 golden bees, stitched into the burial cloak
of the Merovingian king Childeric I (and unearthed in 1653), sewn into
his own coronation robe in 1804, and that he claimed the right to do so
by virtue of a family descent from James de Rohan-Stuardo, the natural
son (legitimized in 1677) of King Charles II Stuart of Britian by
Marguerite, Duchesse de Rohan.
I can find nothing to confirm this. I know its a little after the
medieval time period, but is this an accepted line, and if so, where can
I find more details?
Regards
JG