Anglo-Saxon kings in England
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Leo van de Pas
Anglo-Saxon kings in England
From roughly the years 500/600 there were several kingdoms in England. Does anyone know whether any of these families (except the house of Wessex) whether they have descendants that link to later times, preferably to the present?
With many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
With many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
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Chris Bennett
Re: Anglo-Saxon kings in England
Leo --
There are two proposals I know of, both of which have descents to later
times only by virtue of their connections to the house of Wessex.
1) David Kelley suggested that Ealhmund father of Egbert was the same as
Ealhmund king of Kent and descended from the Kentish royal line (which
includes some Egberts). If true this could also provide a Merovingian
descent line
2) Alfred's wife Ealhswith is said to have been of Mercian royal descent.
What this consists of is unknown, at one point I was circling around a
possible descent from Coenwulf, king of Mercia, who was only distantly
related to the previous royal line (if the genealogy given in the ASC is
even genuine).
Chris
""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:000c01c67f7d$f4e5d3a0$0300a8c0@Toshiba...
There are two proposals I know of, both of which have descents to later
times only by virtue of their connections to the house of Wessex.
1) David Kelley suggested that Ealhmund father of Egbert was the same as
Ealhmund king of Kent and descended from the Kentish royal line (which
includes some Egberts). If true this could also provide a Merovingian
descent line
2) Alfred's wife Ealhswith is said to have been of Mercian royal descent.
What this consists of is unknown, at one point I was circling around a
possible descent from Coenwulf, king of Mercia, who was only distantly
related to the previous royal line (if the genealogy given in the ASC is
even genuine).
Chris
""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:000c01c67f7d$f4e5d3a0$0300a8c0@Toshiba...
From roughly the years 500/600 there were several kingdoms in England.
Does anyone know whether any of these families (except the house of
Wessex) whether they have descendants that link to later times, preferably
to the present?
With many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
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Ford Mommaerts-Browne
Re: Anglo-Saxon kings in England
Provable, every step of the way? No. Definite descents, with gaps, yes. Mercia and Northumbria. Probable? Well...
I should suggest that you check out my piece in _Foundations_, Vol. 1, no. 6, 'Anglo-Saxon Aristocracy: Tracing lineages', pp. 404-413. Last that I checked, it had not made it to the list of subscribers' publications, here.
Ford
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From: "Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au>
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Subject: Anglo-Saxon kings in England
| From roughly the years 500/600 there were several kingdoms in England. Does anyone know whether any of these families (except the house of Wessex) whether they have descendants that link to later times, preferably to the present?
|
| With many thanks
| Leo van de Pas
| Canberra, Australia
|
|
I should suggest that you check out my piece in _Foundations_, Vol. 1, no. 6, 'Anglo-Saxon Aristocracy: Tracing lineages', pp. 404-413. Last that I checked, it had not made it to the list of subscribers' publications, here.
Ford
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:03 PM
Subject: Anglo-Saxon kings in England
| From roughly the years 500/600 there were several kingdoms in England. Does anyone know whether any of these families (except the house of Wessex) whether they have descendants that link to later times, preferably to the present?
|
| With many thanks
| Leo van de Pas
| Canberra, Australia
|
|
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Gjest
Re: Anglo-Saxon kings in England
David Williamson (Kings & Queens of Britain) has a number of guesses:
He imagined that Ealhmund, King of Kent, married a daughter of
Aethelbert II, King of Kent.
Also, that Ealhswith (wife of Alfred the Great) was the daughter of
Eadburga, herself daughter of Wigmund (son Wiglaf, King of Mercia) and
Elfleda (daughter of Ceolwulf I, King of Mercia).
He imagined that Ealhmund, King of Kent, married a daughter of
Aethelbert II, King of Kent.
Also, that Ealhswith (wife of Alfred the Great) was the daughter of
Eadburga, herself daughter of Wigmund (son Wiglaf, King of Mercia) and
Elfleda (daughter of Ceolwulf I, King of Mercia).
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Renia
Re: Anglo-Saxon kings in England
Leo van de Pas wrote:
This little bit is from The Anglo-Saxons by D.M. Wilson, Thames &
Hudson, London, 1960. (Spellings may differ from modern versions.)
King Aethelbert of Kent married a Christian princess, Bertha, the
daughter of the Frankish king, Charibert.
Wulf of Wessex's successor was Aethelbald. King Offa of Mercia (757-796)
was cousin to the same Aethelbald. Cenwulf (died 821) succeeded Offa in
1796.
King Anna, Christian, died in 654, buried at Blythburgh. Predecessors
were joint kings who died about 640.
King Aethelhere, Pagan but lapsed Christian, died a hero in 655 after a
short reign
King Aethelwald, Christian, died in battle in 663/4. His body was lost
in the flood waters of the Winwaed. His successor died 713.
Queen Aelfflaed died before 916, married King Aethelstan before about
934. He died in 939.
Atheling Athelstan's will in 1015 mentioned "to my brother Edmund I
grant the sword which belonged to King Offa".
King Canute ascended the English throne in 1016 and reigned for 19
years. Harthacanute, his son, died 1042.
From roughly the years 500/600 there were several kingdoms in England. Does anyone know whether any of these families (except the house of Wessex) whether they have descendants that link to later times, preferably to the present?
With many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
This little bit is from The Anglo-Saxons by D.M. Wilson, Thames &
Hudson, London, 1960. (Spellings may differ from modern versions.)
King Aethelbert of Kent married a Christian princess, Bertha, the
daughter of the Frankish king, Charibert.
Wulf of Wessex's successor was Aethelbald. King Offa of Mercia (757-796)
was cousin to the same Aethelbald. Cenwulf (died 821) succeeded Offa in
1796.
King Anna, Christian, died in 654, buried at Blythburgh. Predecessors
were joint kings who died about 640.
King Aethelhere, Pagan but lapsed Christian, died a hero in 655 after a
short reign
King Aethelwald, Christian, died in battle in 663/4. His body was lost
in the flood waters of the Winwaed. His successor died 713.
Queen Aelfflaed died before 916, married King Aethelstan before about
934. He died in 939.
Atheling Athelstan's will in 1015 mentioned "to my brother Edmund I
grant the sword which belonged to King Offa".
King Canute ascended the English throne in 1016 and reigned for 19
years. Harthacanute, his son, died 1042.
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Renia
Re: Anglo-Saxon kings in England
Leo van de Pas wrote:
This is from the INDEX to The Ecclesiastical Hitory of the English
Nation & The lives of St Cuthbert & the Abbots, by the Venerable Bede,
Everyman's Library, Dent, London, 1965 (first printed 1910). If you want
me to look up any of them, I will, but when I return from England next week.
Acha, sister of Edwin, King of Northumbria
Addi, earl
Aedan, King of the Scots
Aella, King of the Deirans
Alaric, King of the Goths
Aldgist, King of the Frisians
Adhulf, King of the East Angles
Aldwulf, King of the Wast Angles
Alfrid, King of Northumbria
Alric, King of Kent
Anna,King of the East Angles
Attila, King of the Huns
Atwald, King of Wight
Baldhilda, Queen
Bebba, Queen
Beort, Northumbrian general
Bertfrid, Earl
Bertha, wife of Ethelbert I, King of Kent
Berthun, general of Wessex
Blecca, Governor of Lincoln
Bledla, King of the Huns
Blithryda, wife of Pepin d'Heristal
Bridius, King of the Picts
Cadwalla, 'King of the Britons'
Caedwalla, King of Wessex
Caerl, King of Mercia
Celin (Ceawlin), King of Wessex and Bretwalda
Ceolwulh, King of Northumbria
Cerdic, King of the Britons
Clovis, King of Neustria
Coelred, King of Mercia
Coenred, King of Mercia
Coenred, King of Nurthumbria
Coinwalch (Conwaldh), son of Cynegils, King of Wessex
Cuichelm, King of Wessex
Cyneberga, daughter of Penda, King of Mercia
Cynegils, King of Wessex
Cynewise, Queen of Merica
Dagobert, King of the Franks
Eadbald, King of Kent
Eadbert, King of Kent
Eadfrid, son of Edwin, King of Northumbria
Eanfleda, Edwin's daughter, wife of King Oswy
Eanfrid, brother of Eanher
Eanfrid, son of Edwin, King of Northumbria
Eanfrid, son of Ethelfrid
Eanher, King of the South Saxons
Earconbert, King of Kent
Earcongota, daughter of King Earconbert
Ebba, Queen of Sussex
Ecgric, King of the East Angles
Edric, King of Kent
Edwin, King of Northumbria and Bretwalda
Egbert I, King of Kent
Egfrid, King of Northumbria
Elfleda (Aelflaed) abbess of Whitby, daughter of King Oswy
Elfric, Uncle of King Edwin
Elfwin, brother of King Egfrid
Elli, King of the South Saxons and Bretwalda
Eni, father of King Anna
Eorpwald, King of the East Angles
Ethelbald, King of Mercia
Ethelberga, bastard daughter of King Anna
Ethelberga (Tate) wife of King Edwin
Ethelbert I, King of Kent and Bretwalda
Ethelbert II, King of Kent
Etheldrid, Queen
Etheldrida, wife of King Egfrid and abbess of Ely
Etheldrith, daughter of Ethelhun
Ethelfrid, King of Mercia
Ethelfrid, King of Nurthumbria
Ethelhere, King of the East Angles
Ethelhun, son of King Ethelbert I
Ethelred, Kin of Mercia
Ethelwalch, King of the South Saxons
Ethelwald, King of the East Angles
Ethelwald, son of King Oswald
Ethelwald, under King of Deira
Ethilwin, commander of the Northumbrians under King Oswy
Hereric, father of St Hilda
Hildemer 'prefect' (i.e. Ealdorman) of King Egfrid
Hunwald, Earl
Ida, King of Northumbria
Iffi, son of Osfrid and grandson of King Edwin
Ina, King of Wessex
Irminric (Eormenric), father of King Ethelbert I of Kent
Kenwalk, King of Wessex (see Coinwalch)
Lothere, King of Kent
Lucius, King of the Britons
Meilochan, father of King Bridius
Naitan (Nechtan), King of the Picts
Octa, grandfather of King Ethelbert I of Kent
Offa, son of Sighere, King of the East Angles
Orric (Oisc), father of Octa
Osfrid, son of King Edwin
Osred, King of Northumbria
Osric, King of Deira
Osric, King of Northumbria
Osthrida, wife of King Ethelred of Mercia
Oswald, King of Northumbria and Bretwalda
Oswin, son of Osric of Deira
Oswy (oswiu), King of Northumbria and Bretwalda
Peada, King of the Middle Angles
Penda, King of Mercia
Pepin d'Heristal
Quenberga, concubine of King Edwin
Rathbed, King of Friesland
Redwald, King of the East Angles and Bretwalda
Regnherc, son of King Redwald
Ricula, sister of King Ethelbert, mother of King Sabert
Sabert (Sebert, Saba), King of the East Saxons
Sebbi, King of the East Saxons
Sethrid, stepdaughter of King Anna
Sexbald, King of the East Saxons
Sexberga (Seaxburh), abbess, formerly wife of King Earconbert
Sigebirt (Sigebeorht) I, King of the East Angles
Sigebirt (Sigebeorht) II, King of the East Angles
Sighard, King of the East Angles
Sighere, King of the East Angles
Suebhard, King of Kent
Suefred, King of the East Angles
Suidhelm, King of the East Angles
Theodbald, brother of King Ethelfrid of Northumbria
Tonbert, chief of the S. Girvii
Tytilus, father of King Redwald
Uuffa, father of Tytilus
Vecta, grandfather of Hengist and Horsa (commanders)
Victgilsus, father of Hengist and Horsa
Vortigern, King of the Britons
Wictred (Wihtred), King of Kent
Woden, father of Vecta
Wulfhere, King of Mercia
Wuscfrea, son of King Edwin
Heresuid, mother of King Aldwulf and sister of St Hilda
From roughly the years 500/600 there were several kingdoms in England. Does anyone know whether any of these families (except the house of Wessex) whether they have descendants that link to later times, preferably to the present?
With many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
This is from the INDEX to The Ecclesiastical Hitory of the English
Nation & The lives of St Cuthbert & the Abbots, by the Venerable Bede,
Everyman's Library, Dent, London, 1965 (first printed 1910). If you want
me to look up any of them, I will, but when I return from England next week.
Acha, sister of Edwin, King of Northumbria
Addi, earl
Aedan, King of the Scots
Aella, King of the Deirans
Alaric, King of the Goths
Aldgist, King of the Frisians
Adhulf, King of the East Angles
Aldwulf, King of the Wast Angles
Alfrid, King of Northumbria
Alric, King of Kent
Anna,King of the East Angles
Attila, King of the Huns
Atwald, King of Wight
Baldhilda, Queen
Bebba, Queen
Beort, Northumbrian general
Bertfrid, Earl
Bertha, wife of Ethelbert I, King of Kent
Berthun, general of Wessex
Blecca, Governor of Lincoln
Bledla, King of the Huns
Blithryda, wife of Pepin d'Heristal
Bridius, King of the Picts
Cadwalla, 'King of the Britons'
Caedwalla, King of Wessex
Caerl, King of Mercia
Celin (Ceawlin), King of Wessex and Bretwalda
Ceolwulh, King of Northumbria
Cerdic, King of the Britons
Clovis, King of Neustria
Coelred, King of Mercia
Coenred, King of Mercia
Coenred, King of Nurthumbria
Coinwalch (Conwaldh), son of Cynegils, King of Wessex
Cuichelm, King of Wessex
Cyneberga, daughter of Penda, King of Mercia
Cynegils, King of Wessex
Cynewise, Queen of Merica
Dagobert, King of the Franks
Eadbald, King of Kent
Eadbert, King of Kent
Eadfrid, son of Edwin, King of Northumbria
Eanfleda, Edwin's daughter, wife of King Oswy
Eanfrid, brother of Eanher
Eanfrid, son of Edwin, King of Northumbria
Eanfrid, son of Ethelfrid
Eanher, King of the South Saxons
Earconbert, King of Kent
Earcongota, daughter of King Earconbert
Ebba, Queen of Sussex
Ecgric, King of the East Angles
Edric, King of Kent
Edwin, King of Northumbria and Bretwalda
Egbert I, King of Kent
Egfrid, King of Northumbria
Elfleda (Aelflaed) abbess of Whitby, daughter of King Oswy
Elfric, Uncle of King Edwin
Elfwin, brother of King Egfrid
Elli, King of the South Saxons and Bretwalda
Eni, father of King Anna
Eorpwald, King of the East Angles
Ethelbald, King of Mercia
Ethelberga, bastard daughter of King Anna
Ethelberga (Tate) wife of King Edwin
Ethelbert I, King of Kent and Bretwalda
Ethelbert II, King of Kent
Etheldrid, Queen
Etheldrida, wife of King Egfrid and abbess of Ely
Etheldrith, daughter of Ethelhun
Ethelfrid, King of Mercia
Ethelfrid, King of Nurthumbria
Ethelhere, King of the East Angles
Ethelhun, son of King Ethelbert I
Ethelred, Kin of Mercia
Ethelwalch, King of the South Saxons
Ethelwald, King of the East Angles
Ethelwald, son of King Oswald
Ethelwald, under King of Deira
Ethilwin, commander of the Northumbrians under King Oswy
Hereric, father of St Hilda
Hildemer 'prefect' (i.e. Ealdorman) of King Egfrid
Hunwald, Earl
Ida, King of Northumbria
Iffi, son of Osfrid and grandson of King Edwin
Ina, King of Wessex
Irminric (Eormenric), father of King Ethelbert I of Kent
Kenwalk, King of Wessex (see Coinwalch)
Lothere, King of Kent
Lucius, King of the Britons
Meilochan, father of King Bridius
Naitan (Nechtan), King of the Picts
Octa, grandfather of King Ethelbert I of Kent
Offa, son of Sighere, King of the East Angles
Orric (Oisc), father of Octa
Osfrid, son of King Edwin
Osred, King of Northumbria
Osric, King of Deira
Osric, King of Northumbria
Osthrida, wife of King Ethelred of Mercia
Oswald, King of Northumbria and Bretwalda
Oswin, son of Osric of Deira
Oswy (oswiu), King of Northumbria and Bretwalda
Peada, King of the Middle Angles
Penda, King of Mercia
Pepin d'Heristal
Quenberga, concubine of King Edwin
Rathbed, King of Friesland
Redwald, King of the East Angles and Bretwalda
Regnherc, son of King Redwald
Ricula, sister of King Ethelbert, mother of King Sabert
Sabert (Sebert, Saba), King of the East Saxons
Sebbi, King of the East Saxons
Sethrid, stepdaughter of King Anna
Sexbald, King of the East Saxons
Sexberga (Seaxburh), abbess, formerly wife of King Earconbert
Sigebirt (Sigebeorht) I, King of the East Angles
Sigebirt (Sigebeorht) II, King of the East Angles
Sighard, King of the East Angles
Sighere, King of the East Angles
Suebhard, King of Kent
Suefred, King of the East Angles
Suidhelm, King of the East Angles
Theodbald, brother of King Ethelfrid of Northumbria
Tonbert, chief of the S. Girvii
Tytilus, father of King Redwald
Uuffa, father of Tytilus
Vecta, grandfather of Hengist and Horsa (commanders)
Victgilsus, father of Hengist and Horsa
Vortigern, King of the Britons
Wictred (Wihtred), King of Kent
Woden, father of Vecta
Wulfhere, King of Mercia
Wuscfrea, son of King Edwin
Heresuid, mother of King Aldwulf and sister of St Hilda
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Gjest
Re: Anglo-Saxon kings in England
A good starting point for the Anglo-Saxon genealogies is W. G. Searle
"Anglo-Saxon Bishops, Kings and Nobles" (1899). The genealogies occupy
pages 247 to 464, and sources are cited for every relationship.
There are many difficulties. The sources for the period include forged
charters and fabricated chronicles.
"Anglo-Saxon Bishops, Kings and Nobles" (1899). The genealogies occupy
pages 247 to 464, and sources are cited for every relationship.
There are many difficulties. The sources for the period include forged
charters and fabricated chronicles.
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Gjest
Re: Anglo-Saxon kings in England
Woden was a god, not a person, and he wasn't the father of anyone.
Vecta is the Isle of Wight, and that isn't the grandfather of anybody.
Unfortunately, Anglo-Saxon genealogies are full of falsehoods.
Vecta is the Isle of Wight, and that isn't the grandfather of anybody.
Unfortunately, Anglo-Saxon genealogies are full of falsehoods.
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Todd A. Farmerie
Re: Anglo-Saxon kings in England
Leo van de Pas wrote:
The truth is that only Wessex has documented descents - all descents
from the other kingdoms are 'speculative', some based on sound
hypothesis, some based on nothing more than the desire to forge just
such links.
taf
From roughly the years 500/600 there were several kingdoms in England. Does anyone know whether any of these families (except the house of Wessex) whether they have descendants that link to later times, preferably to the present?
The truth is that only Wessex has documented descents - all descents
from the other kingdoms are 'speculative', some based on sound
hypothesis, some based on nothing more than the desire to forge just
such links.
taf
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Todd A. Farmerie
Re: Anglo-Saxon kings in England
paulvheath@gmail.com wrote:
Eadburga was daughter of some Mercian - there is no evidence to suggest
which. This appears to be an attempt at two Mercian Kings for the price
of one. I wonder what his source is for these Wigmund and Elfleda.
taf
David Williamson (Kings & Queens of Britain) has a number of guesses:
He imagined that Ealhmund, King of Kent, married a daughter of
Aethelbert II, King of Kent.
Also, that Ealhswith (wife of Alfred the Great) was the daughter of
Eadburga, herself daughter of Wigmund (son Wiglaf, King of Mercia) and
Elfleda (daughter of Ceolwulf I, King of Mercia).
Eadburga was daughter of some Mercian - there is no evidence to suggest
which. This appears to be an attempt at two Mercian Kings for the price
of one. I wonder what his source is for these Wigmund and Elfleda.
taf
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Ford Mommaerts-Browne
Re: Anglo-Saxon kings in England
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <farmerie@interfold.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 1:48 AM
Subject: Re: Anglo-Saxon kings in England
| paulvheath@gmail.com wrote:
| > David Williamson (Kings & Queens of Britain) has a number of guesses:
| >
| > He imagined that Ealhmund, King of Kent, married a daughter of
| > Aethelbert II, King of Kent.
| >
| > Also, that Ealhswith (wife of Alfred the Great) was the daughter of
| > Eadburga, herself daughter of Wigmund (son Wiglaf, King of Mercia) and
| > Elfleda (daughter of Ceolwulf I, King of Mercia).
|
| Eadburga was daughter of some Mercian - there is no evidence to suggest
| which. This appears to be an attempt at two Mercian Kings for the price
| of one. I wonder what his source is for these Wigmund and Elfleda.
|
| taf
Since the gracious gentleman is deceased, we may never know for sure. I know that he relied on Searle; but we should have to check his bibliography beyond that.
Ford
From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <farmerie@interfold.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 1:48 AM
Subject: Re: Anglo-Saxon kings in England
| paulvheath@gmail.com wrote:
| > David Williamson (Kings & Queens of Britain) has a number of guesses:
| >
| > He imagined that Ealhmund, King of Kent, married a daughter of
| > Aethelbert II, King of Kent.
| >
| > Also, that Ealhswith (wife of Alfred the Great) was the daughter of
| > Eadburga, herself daughter of Wigmund (son Wiglaf, King of Mercia) and
| > Elfleda (daughter of Ceolwulf I, King of Mercia).
|
| Eadburga was daughter of some Mercian - there is no evidence to suggest
| which. This appears to be an attempt at two Mercian Kings for the price
| of one. I wonder what his source is for these Wigmund and Elfleda.
|
| taf
Since the gracious gentleman is deceased, we may never know for sure. I know that he relied on Searle; but we should have to check his bibliography beyond that.
Ford
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Gjest
Re: Anglo-Saxon kings in England
Wigmund, son of Wiglaf, is in Searle "Anglo-Saxon Bishops, Kings and
Nobles" (1899), page 298. Searle cites sources, and in this
particular case Wigmund filius Regis comes from
http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=g ... ter&id=188
The marriage of Wigmund to Ælfflæd comes from Chronicon Abbatiae de
Evesham.
Eadburh as daughter of Wigmund and Ælfflæd is marked by Williamson as
"conjectural", which I take to mean that it was his own conjecture,
so further research through his bibliography is likely to prove
fruitless, but the connexion was probably inspired by a charter that
mentions Ealhswith's brother Æthelwulf:
http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=seek&query=S+1442
Nobles" (1899), page 298. Searle cites sources, and in this
particular case Wigmund filius Regis comes from
http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=g ... ter&id=188
The marriage of Wigmund to Ælfflæd comes from Chronicon Abbatiae de
Evesham.
Eadburh as daughter of Wigmund and Ælfflæd is marked by Williamson as
"conjectural", which I take to mean that it was his own conjecture,
so further research through his bibliography is likely to prove
fruitless, but the connexion was probably inspired by a charter that
mentions Ealhswith's brother Æthelwulf:
http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=seek&query=S+1442
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Todd A. Farmerie
Re: Anglo-Saxon kings in England
paulvheath@gmail.com wrote:
We see a lot of this type of conjecture, but I don't know that naming an
Anglo-Saxon child after a maternal uncle was all that common.
taf
Eadburh as daughter of Wigmund and Ælfflæd is marked by Williamson as
"conjectural", which I take to mean that it was his own conjecture,
so further research through his bibliography is likely to prove
fruitless, but the connexion was probably inspired by a charter that
mentions Ealhswith's brother Æthelwulf:
We see a lot of this type of conjecture, but I don't know that naming an
Anglo-Saxon child after a maternal uncle was all that common.
taf
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Renia
Re: Anglo-Saxon kings in England
paulvheath@gmail.com wrote:
I only quoted the index to Bede.
My edition of Bede, page 23, says the following:
From the Angles, that is, the country which is called Anglia, and which
is said, from that time, to remain desert to this day, between the
provinces of the Jutes and the Saxons, are descended the East-Angles,
the Midland-Angles, Mercians, all the race of the Northumbrians, that
is, of those nations that dwell on the north side of the river Humber,
and the other nations of the English.
The two first commanders are said to have been Hengist and Horsa. Of
whom Horsa, being afterwards slain in battle by the Britons, was buried
in the eastern parts of Kent, where a monument, bearing his name, is
still inexistence. They were the sons of Victgilsus, whose father was
Vecta, son of Woden; from whose stock the royal race of many provinces
deduce their original.
And on page 73:
This Ethelbert was the son of Irminric, whose father was Octa, whose
father was Orrice, sunamed Oisc, from twhom the kings of Kent are wont
to be called Oiscings. His father was Hengist, who, being invited by
Vortigern, first came into Britain, with his son Oisc, as has been said
above.
Woden was a god, not a person, and he wasn't the father of anyone.
Vecta is the Isle of Wight, and that isn't the grandfather of anybody.
Unfortunately, Anglo-Saxon genealogies are full of falsehoods.
I only quoted the index to Bede.
My edition of Bede, page 23, says the following:
From the Angles, that is, the country which is called Anglia, and which
is said, from that time, to remain desert to this day, between the
provinces of the Jutes and the Saxons, are descended the East-Angles,
the Midland-Angles, Mercians, all the race of the Northumbrians, that
is, of those nations that dwell on the north side of the river Humber,
and the other nations of the English.
The two first commanders are said to have been Hengist and Horsa. Of
whom Horsa, being afterwards slain in battle by the Britons, was buried
in the eastern parts of Kent, where a monument, bearing his name, is
still inexistence. They were the sons of Victgilsus, whose father was
Vecta, son of Woden; from whose stock the royal race of many provinces
deduce their original.
And on page 73:
This Ethelbert was the son of Irminric, whose father was Octa, whose
father was Orrice, sunamed Oisc, from twhom the kings of Kent are wont
to be called Oiscings. His father was Hengist, who, being invited by
Vortigern, first came into Britain, with his son Oisc, as has been said
above.