Sir Edward Brampton

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Sir Edward Brampton

Legg inn av Gjest » 21 mai 2006 12:49:44

This extract from the 1507 will of Thomas Beaumont, Archdeacon of
Wells, seems to refer to the well-known Yorkist Sir Edward Brampton,
aka Duarte Brandao:

"To Maister Edward Brampton an hope of golde to be made for him, to my
lady Brampton, my suster, a rynge of golde with a flatte diamonde, and
to eche of their children, i.e., Sir John B, Henry, George, Elizabeth,
Mary, and Jane a hope of golde of the value of 20s. with this scripture
to be made withinin everyche of the same hoopes, "ye shall pray for Sir
Thomas Beamonde" these same rynges to be made and sent into Portingale
unto them by some sure messynger as sone as myn executors can make
provision after my deth."

[see WF Weaver, Somerset Medieval Wills, 1901;
http://tinyurl.co.uk/fkef]

Two questions:

1) Is anything known about Thomas Beaumont's/Lady Brampton's ancestry?

2) This site, http://genealogia.netopia.pt/1248/familias.php?id=1034,
seems to state (I don't speak Portuguese... please correct me!) that
Sir Edward left descendants in Portugal and England. Does anyone know
anything about these descendants?

Many thanks in advance for any help,

Mark

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Re: Sir Edward Brampton

Legg inn av Gjest » 21 mai 2006 18:13:45

It does state that he left descendants in Portugal and England but the
source is a book of general divulgation.
It also states that he did return to England in time to see a son made
knight of the Garter and that must be the Sir John mentioned in the
will.

Felgueiras Gayo, a judge who wrote in the XVIII and is the most
prolific but not the most reliable portuguese genealogist, has a
chapter starting with him.
His origins are fuzzy, very probably jewish, and it is not clear if he
was of a family already converted or if he only converted in England,
adopting in baptism the name of king Edward and the surname of Henrique
Brandão, possibly his master, his employer or his protector. Others
say he had to flee because he killed a man in Lisbon.

How he raised to be a knight of the Garter and became rich to a point
of lending money to king D. Afonso V, I just don't know.

F. Gayo says he married D. Margarida Bemonde (Margareth Beaumont) and
gives them 6 children: João, Jorge, Henrique, Isabel, Maria e Joana,
exactly John, George, Henry, Elizabeth, Mary and Jane, as in the will.
The problem is that Gayo makes João married to a granddaughter of the
1. viscount of Ponte de Lima with descendance in Portugal what
conflicts with sir John Brampton with descendance in England.
In this I can not help you. If you are very interested I could put the
question in a portuguese list but I do not antecipate results because I
do not know any published book that could cover the point and my
personal feeling is that all the portuguese 'Brandão' wish to belong
to the *real* family, that of Henrique Brandão in spite of the Garter
and the good graces of the kings of both England and Portugal.

Gayo gives notice of the marriage of 5 of the 6 children and
descendance of three. It would be complicated to follow and would take
more time than I have but it is possible to do.

Hope it helps.

Regards,
Francisco

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Re: Sir Edward Brampton

Legg inn av Gjest » 21 mai 2006 18:59:56

francisco.tavaresdealmeida@gmail.com schrieb:

It does state that he left descendants in Portugal and England but the
source is a book of general divulgation.
It also states that he did return to England in time to see a son made
knight of the Garter and that must be the Sir John mentioned in the
will.

I cannot locate a "Sir John Brandon" (or Brandao, or Henry
Brandon/Brandao) in the lists of Garter Knights. The Oxford Dictionary
of National Biography, in its entry for Sir Edward Brampton, states
that his son was knighted by Henry VII in 1500; although it does not
name him, it also says that the name of only one of Sir Edward's
children in known (Henry, d 1515) - so Will's probate record adds to
this.

Michael

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Re: Sir Edward Brampton

Legg inn av Gjest » 21 mai 2006 19:27:13

Thank you, Francisco. That's fascinating. I'll certainly look at Gayo's
work. I have a Portuguese friend who should be able to help me with
translation.

Ann Wroe writes about Brampton in her very readable "Perkin", a
biography of the pretender Perkin Warbeck. She says Sir Edward was
probably the son of a Lisbon blacksmith and may have been illegitimate.
He was living in London's Domus Conversorum in 1468 and was baptised -
with Edward IV standing sponsor - in 1472. I guess this means he was
brought up a practising Jew. As to his wealth, Wroe says he was a
"member of Edward IV's household and a businessman whose interests, in
wool and wine as well as pepper, spanned northern Europe."

Best,

Mark

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Re: Sir Edward Brampton

Legg inn av Gjest » 21 mai 2006 19:34:37

mark_bri...@hotmail.com schrieb:

Thank you, Francisco. That's fascinating. I'll certainly look at Gayo's
work. I have a Portuguese friend who should be able to help me with
translation.

Ann Wroe writes about Brampton in her very readable "Perkin", a
biography of the pretender Perkin Warbeck. She says Sir Edward was
probably the son of a Lisbon blacksmith and may have been illegitimate.
He was living in London's Domus Conversorum in 1468 and was baptised -
with Edward IV standing sponsor - in 1472. I guess this means he was
brought up a practising Jew. As to his wealth, Wroe says he was a
"member of Edward IV's household and a businessman whose interests, in
wool and wine as well as pepper, spanned northern Europe."

Mark

Have you seen the ODNB entry for Sir Edward? If not, I can precis it
for you. It is written by Rosemary Horrox, and says that he was
probably "reputedly the illegitimate son of Rui Barba and the wife of a
Jewish blacksmith".

I think the Will of Thomas Beaumont is an excellent find, as it clears
up some of the mystery surrounding Sir Edward's wife and children - at
least from an English perspective; it would be worth submitting the
details to ODNB.

MA-R

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Re: Sir Edward Brampton

Legg inn av Gjest » 22 mai 2006 09:24:37

Have you seen the ODNB entry for Sir Edward? If not, I can precis it
for you.

Thank you, that's very kind but I have access via my local library.
I'll check the entry today.
I think the Will of Thomas Beaumont is an excellent find, as it clears
up some of the mystery surrounding Sir Edward's wife and children - at
least from an English perspective; it would be worth submitting the
details to ODNB.

Will do.

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