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Legg inn av Gjest » 18 mai 2006 07:39:02

Thursday, 18 May, 2006


Hello All,

Extracts taken from the Rotuli de Dominabus (shown below)
that:

1. Eugenia Picot (or Pigot), daughter of Ralf Picot of
Tong and Kingsdown, Kent, was married to (1) William
Malet (d. ca. 1170), and (2) Thomas fitz Bernard.

2. The heir of Eugenia Picot was her son Thomas, by Thomas
fitz Bernard (see CP V:398-9).

3. Gilbert Malet, son and heir of William, may well have
married a Picot and fathered William Malet (the MC
Surety) thereby; further evidence of same is wanting.

Together with the evidence in the Rotuli de Dominabus,
relevant charters from the chartulary of Athelney establish that
William Malet, the MC Surety, was son of Gilbert Malet (see
below).



Ralf Picot
of Tong and Kingsdown
I
<1> I <2>
1) NN = William = 2) Eugenia = Thomas fitz
I Malet Picot I Bernard
I d. ca. I d. ca. 1185
I 1170 _________I_________________________
I I I I I
Gilbert Thomas NN, a son NN, a son Matilda
Malet b. ca. 1175 b. ca. b. ca. = John de
I 1177 1182 Bidun
I
I
William Malet
MC Surety
d. ca. 1216


Cheers,

John


=============================================


Extracts, from Rotuli de Dominabus:

p. xxxvi

' Annotating these from other sources we learn that William
Malet, a steward (dapifer) of Henry II - who held Crown lands
in Dartford, Kent, and seems by the entries relating to them
to have been succeeded by his son Gilbert between Mich. 1169
and Mich. 1170, - had married ...'


p. xxxvii

.... " Eugenia, " daughter of Ralf Picot "of Kent" (that is, of
Milton in that county) and had dowered her with Cambridgeshire
lands. In our record she appears as in possession of that
dower, and as widow of another of the King's officials, Thomas
Fitz Bernard, lately dead, by whom she had had three sons, of
whom the eldest was ten years old, and a daughter...'



p. 55

' .... Et preterea Johannes de Bidune junior, .c. et .x. s.
Eugenia uxor Thome filii Bernardi, qui modo habet custodiam,
post mortem predicti Johannis cepit .xlv. s. et .vj. d., et
firmam .j. anni, scilicet, .xj. l. ....'



p. 87

' ... considerable estate in Milton (Kent), but this, the Pipe
Rolls show, was taken into the King's hands. On the death of
William Malet, his widow married (in 1174-5) another of the
King's officials, Thomas Fitz Bernard, on whom and his children
see pp. 49, 55, 77. She was now again a widow. The Pipe Roll
of 1189 (1 Ric. I, p. 27) shows ' Eugenia Pikot' accounting for
L44 'pro custodia Johannis filii sui et terre ...'


================================


from E. H. Bates, Two Cartularies of the Benedictine Abbeys of Muchelney and
Athelney in the County of Somerset (Somerset Record Society, Vol. XIV):



p. 144

' 61. Know all men that I, William Malet son of Gilbert Malet,
have given to God, and S. Mary and S. Athelwin, and the convent
of Athelingenye eight acres of my land in Cumptun,...
Witnesses: Ralph son of William, Roger de Rannel, Ralph
Malet, James son of Girald, William de Draycote, Thoams de Flury,
Robert Malet, and others.

: Compton, now amalgamated with Dunden, was held by the
family of Malet until 1216; when William Malet son of
Gilbert, the donor, being found in arms against the
king, all his lands were seized, and Compton granted
to Hugh de Vivonne (Collinson, iii, 447). '


pp. 165-6

' 131. Know all men present and to come that I Gilbert de
Norfolk, by divine inspiration, and for the soul of my lord
William Malet, and my own and that of my wife....have given to
God and the monastery of S. Saviour and S. Peter and the holy
Athelwin of Athelingenye...Robert Vele of Hutham, my
rustic...when the King gave him to me together with another
holding which I have in Cory in exchange for my land at
Witteham, which he gave to the brothers of the Charterhouse.
And so I will and confirm it by my charter and seal, my lord
Gilbert Malet for himself and his heirs...
Witnesses: Adelard presbyter, William son of Gilbert Malet,
and others.

: Huntham is between Stoke S. Gregory and North
Curry. The overlordship of the Malet family
came from Roger de Corcelle, who temp. Domesday
held two hides in Witeham "ablata" from
Brewham. The date of the charter is after
1180; Robert Vela is mentioned in the
royal grant to Gilbert de Norfolk. '

Renia

Re: William Malet and Thomas fitz Bernard (husbands of Eugen

Legg inn av Renia » 18 mai 2006 09:23:31

Therav3@aol.com wrote:

Thursday, 18 May, 2006


Hello All,

Extracts taken from the Rotuli de Dominabus (shown below)
that:

1. Eugenia Picot (or Pigot), daughter of Ralf Picot of
Tong and Kingsdown, Kent, was married to (1) William
Malet (d. ca. 1170), and (2) Thomas fitz Bernard.

2. The heir of Eugenia Picot was her son Thomas, by Thomas
fitz Bernard (see CP V:398-9).

3. Gilbert Malet, son and heir of William, may well have
married a Picot and fathered William Malet (the MC
Surety) thereby; further evidence of same is wanting.

Together with the evidence in the Rotuli de Dominabus,
relevant charters from the chartulary of Athelney establish that
William Malet, the MC Surety, was son of Gilbert Malet (see
below).

Picot is thought to be the ancestor of the Lascelles (Earls of Harewood)
in Yorkshire.

Renia

Douglas Richardson

Re: William Malet and Thomas fitz Bernard (husbands of Eugen

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 18 mai 2006 15:04:16

Renia wrote:

< Picot is thought to be the ancestor of the Lascelles (Earls of
Harewood)
< in Yorkshire.
<
< Renia

John Ravilious' post concerns Ralph Picot, of Tong and Kingsdown, Kent,
whose two daughters and co-heiresses, Alice and Eugenia, are ancestral
to the Malet and Fitz Bernard families respectively. Ralph Picot is a
separate and distinct person from the man named Picot, who is thought
to be the ancestor of the Lascelles (Earls of Harewood) in Yorkshire.

DR

Douglas Richardson

Re: Ralph Picot and his two daughters and coheiresses, Alice

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 18 mai 2006 15:47:34

Dear John ~

Ralph Picot, of Milton and Tong, Kent, had two daughters and
co-heiresses, Alice and Eugenia, who are ancestral to the Malet and
Fitz Bernard families respectively. You have collapsed the two
daughters into one person. Alice married Gilbert Malet, of
Curry-Mallet, Somerset; Eugenia married Thomas Fitz Bernard.

I believe you can find helpful information on these people in VCH
Cambridge, 6 (1978): 159-160; Benedictus, vol. i, pg. 323; and Pipe
Roll, 2 Richard I, sub Kent. There are also helpful references in
Curia Regis Rolls.

Ralph Picot served as Sheriff of Kent and Sussex, but I don't have the
exact dates. He evidently ceased to account as Sheriff in Michaelmas,
1161, as indicated by the weblink below.

http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0 ... 8Z0_QssQwI

He also served as a justice in Surrey in 1156, as per the following
weblink:

http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC2 ... h+Picot%22

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www. royalancestry. net

Douglas Richardson

Re: Ralph Picot and his two daughters and coheiresses, Alice

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 18 mai 2006 15:49:17

Dear John ~

Ralph Picot, of Milton and Tong, Kent, had two daughters and
co-heiresses, Alice and Eugenia, who are ancestral to the Malet and
Fitz Bernard families respectively. You have collapsed the two
daughters into one person. Alice married Gilbert Malet, of
Curry-Mallet, Somerset; Eugenia married Thomas Fitz Bernard.

I believe you can find helpful information on these people in VCH
Cambridge, 6 (1978): 159-160; Benedictus, vol. i, pg. 323; and Pipe
Roll, 2 Richard I, sub Kent. There are also helpful references in
Curia Regis Rolls.

Ralph Picot served as Sheriff of Kent and Sussex, but I don't have the
exact dates. He evidently ceased to account as Sheriff in Michaelmas,
1161, as indicated by the weblink below.

http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0 ... _YC&pg=P...

He also served as a justice in Surrey in 1156, as per the following
weblink:

http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC2 ... C&pg=PA1...

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www. royalancestry. net

Tim Powys-Lybbe

Re: William Malet and Thomas fitz Bernard (husbands of Eugen

Legg inn av Tim Powys-Lybbe » 18 mai 2006 22:14:07

In message of 18 May, Therav3@aol.com wrote:

Extracts taken from the Rotuli de Dominabus (shown below)
that:

1. Eugenia Picot (or Pigot), daughter of Ralf Picot of
Tong and Kingsdown, Kent, was married to (1) William
Malet (d. ca. 1170), and (2) Thomas fitz Bernard.

2. The heir of Eugenia Picot was her son Thomas, by Thomas
fitz Bernard (see CP V:398-9).

I have gone through the text of CP on pp. 398-9 three times and I can
see no mention of Eugenia Picot. Can anyone say what are the relevant
lines from these pages?

3. Gilbert Malet, son and heir of William, may well have
married a Picot and fathered William Malet (the MC
Surety) thereby; further evidence of same is wanting.

Together with the evidence in the Rotuli de Dominabus,
relevant charters from the chartulary of Athelney establish that
William Malet, the MC Surety, was son of Gilbert Malet (see
below).



Ralf Picot
of Tong and Kingsdown
I
1> I <2
1) NN = William = 2) Eugenia = Thomas fitz
I Malet Picot I Bernard
I d. ca. I d. ca. 1185
I 1170 _________I_________________________
I I I I I
Gilbert Thomas NN, a son NN, a son Matilda
Malet b. ca. 1175 b. ca. b. ca. = John de
I 1177 1182 Bidun
I
I
William Malet
MC Surety
d. ca. 1216


Cheers,

John


=============================================


Extracts, from Rotuli de Dominabus:

p. xxxvi

' Annotating these from other sources we learn that William
Malet, a steward (dapifer) of Henry II - who held Crown lands
in Dartford, Kent, and seems by the entries relating to them
to have been succeeded by his son Gilbert between Mich. 1169
and Mich. 1170, - had married ...'


p. xxxvii

... " Eugenia, " daughter of Ralf Picot "of Kent" (that is, of
Milton in that county) and had dowered her with Cambridgeshire
lands. In our record she appears as in possession of that
dower, and as widow of another of the King's officials, Thomas
Fitz Bernard, lately dead, by whom she had had three sons, of
whom the eldest was ten years old, and a daughter...'



p. 55

' .... Et preterea Johannes de Bidune junior, .c. et .x. s.
Eugenia uxor Thome filii Bernardi, qui modo habet custodiam,
post mortem predicti Johannis cepit .xlv. s. et .vj. d., et
firmam .j. anni, scilicet, .xj. l. ....'

My latin is not good enough to work out if this is relevant to
establishing that Thomas FitzBernard was Eugenia Picot's heir.

p. 87

' ... considerable estate in Milton (Kent), but this, the Pipe
Rolls show, was taken into the King's hands. On the death of
William Malet, his widow married (in 1174-5) another of the
King's officials, Thomas Fitz Bernard, on whom and his children
see pp. 49, 55, 77. She was now again a widow. The Pipe Roll
of 1189 (1 Ric. I, p. 27) shows ' Eugenia Pikot' accounting for
L44 'pro custodia Johannis filii sui et terre ...'

If Thomas FitzBernard is Eugenia Picot's heir, then Gilbert Malet
cannot be her heir and must therefore not be her son. But I cannot see
how to infer that Thomas FitzBernard was Eugenia Picot's heir; can
anyone help?

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org
             For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

John P. Ravilious

Re: Ralph Picot and his two daughters and coheiresses, Alice

Legg inn av John P. Ravilious » 19 mai 2006 00:01:08

Dear Doug,

Thanks for the ref. and details concerning the Picot and Malet
families. Actually, I have not collapsed two daughters into one
person: if you check the Rotuli de Dominabus text (online or
elsewhere), you will see that William Malet (evidently grandfather of
the MC Surety) was married to Ewgenia, or Eugenia, Picot - identified
as his widow (see that volume pp. xxxvi, xxxvii, 87).

It does appear, if the VCH account is correct, that William's son
Gilbert had married the other daughter Alice, and that William had
married Eugenia after the death of Thomas fitz Bernard. Another
interesting linkage of two 12th cent. families. Hopefully we can find
out who Gilbert's mother was.

Cheers,

John



Douglas Richardson wrote:
Dear John ~

Ralph Picot, of Milton and Tong, Kent, had two daughters and
co-heiresses, Alice and Eugenia, who are ancestral to the Malet and
Fitz Bernard families respectively. You have collapsed the two
daughters into one person. Alice married Gilbert Malet, of
Curry-Mallet, Somerset; Eugenia married Thomas Fitz Bernard.

I believe you can find helpful information on these people in VCH
Cambridge, 6 (1978): 159-160; Benedictus, vol. i, pg. 323; and Pipe
Roll, 2 Richard I, sub Kent. There are also helpful references in
Curia Regis Rolls.

Ralph Picot served as Sheriff of Kent and Sussex, but I don't have the
exact dates. He evidently ceased to account as Sheriff in Michaelmas,
1161, as indicated by the weblink below.

http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0 ... _YC&pg=P...

He also served as a justice in Surrey in 1156, as per the following
weblink:

http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC2 ... C&pg=PA1...

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www. royalancestry. net

John P. Ravilious

Re: William Malet and Thomas fitz Bernard (husbands of Eugen

Legg inn av John P. Ravilious » 19 mai 2006 00:12:31

Dear Tim,

The page note from CP is what I have, but I haven't worked on this
family for some years (until the other day). It is possible it is a
footnote on a prior page, but should still be in the FitzBernard
article.

The evidence of the FitzBernard descent (as heirs of Ralf Picot)
is the passage of the manors of Tong and Kingsdown, as shown in the CP
FitzBernard article. If the VCH account that Doug Richardson described
earlier is correct, that underlines that Gilbert could not have been
the son of Eugenia Picot: he evidently was married to her sister,
Alice.

Cheers,

John



Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote:
In message of 18 May, Therav3@aol.com wrote:

Extracts taken from the Rotuli de Dominabus (shown below)
that:

1. Eugenia Picot (or Pigot), daughter of Ralf Picot of
Tong and Kingsdown, Kent, was married to (1) William
Malet (d. ca. 1170), and (2) Thomas fitz Bernard.

2. The heir of Eugenia Picot was her son Thomas, by Thomas
fitz Bernard (see CP V:398-9).

I have gone through the text of CP on pp. 398-9 three times and I can
see no mention of Eugenia Picot. Can anyone say what are the relevant
lines from these pages?


3. Gilbert Malet, son and heir of William, may well have
married a Picot and fathered William Malet (the MC
Surety) thereby; further evidence of same is wanting.

Together with the evidence in the Rotuli de Dominabus,
relevant charters from the chartulary of Athelney establish that
William Malet, the MC Surety, was son of Gilbert Malet (see
below).



Ralf Picot
of Tong and Kingsdown
I
1> I <2
1) NN = William = 2) Eugenia = Thomas fitz
I Malet Picot I Bernard
I d. ca. I d. ca. 1185
I 1170 _________I_________________________
I I I I I
Gilbert Thomas NN, a son NN, a son Matilda
Malet b. ca. 1175 b. ca. b. ca. = John de
I 1177 1182 Bidun
I
I
William Malet
MC Surety
d. ca. 1216


Cheers,

John


=============================================


Extracts, from Rotuli de Dominabus:

p. xxxvi

' Annotating these from other sources we learn that William
Malet, a steward (dapifer) of Henry II - who held Crown lands
in Dartford, Kent, and seems by the entries relating to them
to have been succeeded by his son Gilbert between Mich. 1169
and Mich. 1170, - had married ...'


p. xxxvii

... " Eugenia, " daughter of Ralf Picot "of Kent" (that is, of
Milton in that county) and had dowered her with Cambridgeshire
lands. In our record she appears as in possession of that
dower, and as widow of another of the King's officials, Thomas
Fitz Bernard, lately dead, by whom she had had three sons, of
whom the eldest was ten years old, and a daughter...'



p. 55

' .... Et preterea Johannes de Bidune junior, .c. et .x. s.
Eugenia uxor Thome filii Bernardi, qui modo habet custodiam,
post mortem predicti Johannis cepit .xlv. s. et .vj. d., et
firmam .j. anni, scilicet, .xj. l. ....'

My latin is not good enough to work out if this is relevant to
establishing that Thomas FitzBernard was Eugenia Picot's heir.


p. 87

' ... considerable estate in Milton (Kent), but this, the Pipe
Rolls show, was taken into the King's hands. On the death of
William Malet, his widow married (in 1174-5) another of the
King's officials, Thomas Fitz Bernard, on whom and his children
see pp. 49, 55, 77. She was now again a widow. The Pipe Roll
of 1189 (1 Ric. I, p. 27) shows ' Eugenia Pikot' accounting for
L44 'pro custodia Johannis filii sui et terre ...'

If Thomas FitzBernard is Eugenia Picot's heir, then Gilbert Malet
cannot be her heir and must therefore not be her son. But I cannot see
how to infer that Thomas FitzBernard was Eugenia Picot's heir; can
anyone help?

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

Douglas Richardson

Re: Ralph Picot and his two daughters and coheiresses, Alice

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 19 mai 2006 01:12:09

John ~

Without checking the original and relying solely on your transcription,
I see that Mr. Round, the author of the notes for Rotuli de Dominibus,
states he learned from "other sources" that Eugenia Picot was dowered
in Cambridgeshire lands by William Malet. He identifies Eugenia Picot
as the widow of William Malet. However, since Mr. Round failed to give
his "other sources," it is impossible to know where he got this
information. Complete Peerage makes no reference to Eugenia Picot's
previous marriage to William Malet, only her marriage to Thomas Fitz
Bernard, who died in 1184.

By your arrangement, you have Gilbert Malet as the grandson of Eugenia
Picot, which I know is incorrect. Gilbert Malet was definitely the
husband of Alice Picot, the sister of Eugenia Picot. Alice and
Eugenia Picot were daughters and co-heiresses of Ralph Picot.

I recommend you check the sources which I've cited, especially the
Curia Regis Rolls and VCH Cambridge. They should provide you some
additional light on this matter.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www. royalancestry. net






..

John P. Ravilious wrote:
Dear Doug,

Thanks for the ref. and details concerning the Picot and Malet
families. Actually, I have not collapsed two daughters into one
person: if you check the Rotuli de Dominabus text (online or
elsewhere), you will see that William Malet (evidently grandfather of
the MC Surety) was married to Ewgenia, or Eugenia, Picot - identified
as his widow (see that volume pp. xxxvi, xxxvii, 87).

It does appear, if the VCH account is correct, that William's son
Gilbert had married the other daughter Alice, and that William had
married Eugenia after the death of Thomas fitz Bernard. Another
interesting linkage of two 12th cent. families. Hopefully we can find
out who Gilbert's mother was.

Cheers,

John



Douglas Richardson wrote:
Dear John ~

Ralph Picot, of Milton and Tong, Kent, had two daughters and
co-heiresses, Alice and Eugenia, who are ancestral to the Malet and
Fitz Bernard families respectively. You have collapsed the two
daughters into one person. Alice married Gilbert Malet, of
Curry-Mallet, Somerset; Eugenia married Thomas Fitz Bernard.

I believe you can find helpful information on these people in VCH
Cambridge, 6 (1978): 159-160; Benedictus, vol. i, pg. 323; and Pipe
Roll, 2 Richard I, sub Kent. There are also helpful references in
Curia Regis Rolls.

Ralph Picot served as Sheriff of Kent and Sussex, but I don't have the
exact dates. He evidently ceased to account as Sheriff in Michaelmas,
1161, as indicated by the weblink below.

http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0 ... _YC&pg=P...

He also served as a justice in Surrey in 1156, as per the following
weblink:

http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC2 ... C&pg=PA1...

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www. royalancestry. net

Tim Powys-Lybbe

Re: William Malet and Thomas fitz Bernard (husbands of Eugen

Legg inn av Tim Powys-Lybbe » 19 mai 2006 12:07:53

In message of 19 May, "John P. Ravilious" <therav3@aol.com> wrote:

The page note from CP is what I have, but I haven't worked on this
family for some years (until the other day). It is possible it is a
footnote on a prior page, but should still be in the FitzBernard
article.

Hal Bradley has kindly told me to look at note (b) on page 400, where
much is revealed.

The evidence of the FitzBernard descent (as heirs of Ralf Picot)
is the passage of the manors of Tong and Kingsdown, as shown in the CP
FitzBernard article.

In CP V p. 399 note (b) its says that Ralph FitzBernard held Kingsdown
in chief and Tong was held of others than the king.

In CP V p. 400 note (b) it says of Ralph Picot that he was of Tong - and
it does not say that he was of Kingsdown. Presumably Ralph Picot held
some estate at Tong, though from whom we do not know.

Domesday Descendants p. 1070 says that Ralph Picot held crown lands in
Dartford and which by 1165 were held by his son-in-law William Malet.
But this does not specify where Tong came in.

As Tong was not held by the FitzBernards in chief, its descent might
have gone by different rules (customs) than those normal for crown
lands.

If the VCH account that Doug Richardson described earlier is correct,
that underlines that Gilbert could not have been the son of Eugenia
Picot: he evidently was married to her sister, Alice.

So Gilbert might have inherited Alice's half of Ralph Picot's
inheritance. I wonder which lands those were? If CP is right that
Eugenia was the younger coheir, then Alice was the elder sister;
sometimes the elder sister got the caput of the holding. It seems odd
that William Malet married the younger Picot sister, who then married a
FitzBernard, and his son Gilbert married the elder Picot sister.

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org
             For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

Douglas Richardson

Re: Ralph Picot and his two daughters and coheiresses, Alice

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 19 mai 2006 17:26:54

Dear Newsgroup ~

The following weblink shows that Ralph Picot served as sheriff for
several years, and was replaced as Sheriff of Kent in 1161, by Hugh de
Dover.

http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0 ... n05Ttx__co

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www. royalancestry. net

Douglas Richardson wrote:
John ~

Without checking the original and relying solely on your transcription,
I see that Mr. Round, the author of the notes for Rotuli de Dominibus,
states he learned from "other sources" that Eugenia Picot was dowered
in Cambridgeshire lands by William Malet. He identifies Eugenia Picot
as the widow of William Malet. However, since Mr. Round failed to give
his "other sources," it is impossible to know where he got this
information. Complete Peerage makes no reference to Eugenia Picot's
previous marriage to William Malet, only her marriage to Thomas Fitz
Bernard, who died in 1184.

By your arrangement, you have Gilbert Malet as the grandson of Eugenia
Picot, which I know is incorrect. Gilbert Malet was definitely the
husband of Alice Picot, the sister of Eugenia Picot. Alice and
Eugenia Picot were daughters and co-heiresses of Ralph Picot.

I recommend you check the sources which I've cited, especially the
Curia Regis Rolls and VCH Cambridge. They should provide you some
additional light on this matter.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www. royalancestry. net






.

John P. Ravilious wrote:
Dear Doug,

Thanks for the ref. and details concerning the Picot and Malet
families. Actually, I have not collapsed two daughters into one
person: if you check the Rotuli de Dominabus text (online or
elsewhere), you will see that William Malet (evidently grandfather of
the MC Surety) was married to Ewgenia, or Eugenia, Picot - identified
as his widow (see that volume pp. xxxvi, xxxvii, 87).

It does appear, if the VCH account is correct, that William's son
Gilbert had married the other daughter Alice, and that William had
married Eugenia after the death of Thomas fitz Bernard. Another
interesting linkage of two 12th cent. families. Hopefully we can find
out who Gilbert's mother was.

Cheers,

John



Douglas Richardson wrote:
Dear John ~

Ralph Picot, of Milton and Tong, Kent, had two daughters and
co-heiresses, Alice and Eugenia, who are ancestral to the Malet and
Fitz Bernard families respectively. You have collapsed the two
daughters into one person. Alice married Gilbert Malet, of
Curry-Mallet, Somerset; Eugenia married Thomas Fitz Bernard.

I believe you can find helpful information on these people in VCH
Cambridge, 6 (1978): 159-160; Benedictus, vol. i, pg. 323; and Pipe
Roll, 2 Richard I, sub Kent. There are also helpful references in
Curia Regis Rolls.

Ralph Picot served as Sheriff of Kent and Sussex, but I don't have the
exact dates. He evidently ceased to account as Sheriff in Michaelmas,
1161, as indicated by the weblink below.

http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0 ... _YC&pg=P...

He also served as a justice in Surrey in 1156, as per the following
weblink:

http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC2 ... C&pg=PA1...

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www. royalancestry. net

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