According to Christopher Weber "Genealogien zur Papstgeschichte, Paepste
und
Pappstum" Volume 29,4 page 716 calls her Giovanna (+1700 ultima di sua
casa) di Carlo della Tolfa, Duca di Gruma.
According to ES Volume III/3 Tafel 588/589 shows the Frangepan family and
is
displayed as having become extinct aboput the same time. And I wonder, if
you are correct that Giovanna was a Frangepan, was there a branch not
displayed by ES?
ES does not display a della Tolfa family.
And there I found a confirmation you are correct. George L. Williams "Papal
Genealogy"
page 126 shows the pope to be son of "Giovanna, daughter of Carlo
Frangipane, Duke of Grumo. The Frangipane family was famous for its impact
on the papacy some seven hundred years earlier". This last remark is no
help
as a gap of 700 years is a little too large.
ES does not show a Grumo family either.
Then I spotted that Leo Lindemans in his books on the ancestors of the
Belgian Royal Family does show della Tolfa. But they are only Signores, not
Dukes and there doesn't seem to be any connection..
Where to go from here?
Sorry I could not help.
Leo van de Pas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ford Mommaerts-Browne" <FordMommaerts@Cox.net
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:45 AM
Subject: Frangipani
I have been having tremendous difficulty finding anything on Giovanna
di Carlo Frangipani di Grumo, the wife of Ferrante Orsini, D. Gravina,
ob. 1660, and mother of His Holiness, Benedetto XIII, (1724-1730), and of
Domenico Orsini, D. Gravina, ob. 1705, (through whom she is ancestral to
(Christa) Brooke (Camilla) Shields, n. 1965.
I realize that this is post-1600, but it rapidly ascends into the
group's bailiwick, and deals with a gateway ancestor, (Marina Torlonia
1916-1960, [m. 2, New York City, Francis Xavier Shields, ob. 1975 -
ironically, a tennis-pro.]). As an aside, her brother married a daughter
of Alfonso XIII.
Any help would be greatly and much appreciated.
Respectfully,
Ford