John Arderne/Margaret Pilkington (d 1423)

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John Arderne/Margaret Pilkington (d 1423)

Legg inn av Gjest » 13 mai 2006 02:34:01

On Leo's great web site here
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.ph ... 4&tree=LEO

we see Margaret who d 1423 and had a child Maud in 1398
flipping to Margaret's father Sir Roger de Pilkington here
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.ph ... 7&tree=LEO

we see that he died in 1343

Thus Margaret Pilkington was at least 54 years old when she gave birth.

Or ?

Will Johnson

alden@mindspring.com

Re: John Arderne/Margaret Pilkington (d 1423)

Legg inn av alden@mindspring.com » 13 mai 2006 02:34:02

WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
On Leo's great web site here
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.ph ... 4&tree=LEO

we see Margaret who d 1423 and had a child Maud in 1398
flipping to Margaret's father Sir Roger de Pilkington here
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.ph ... 7&tree=LEO

we see that he died in 1343

Thus Margaret Pilkington was at least 54 years old when she gave birth.

Or ?

Will Johnson

More like:

Maud d'Arderne b abt 1398

dau. of

John d' Ardern (1369-1408)
Maud (Margaret) Pilkington b est 1375

dau. of Sir Roger P. (1325-1406)
Margaret

Sir Roger P. was son of the Sir Roger Pilkington who died in 1343.

Sources: B P and Baronetage (1967), p 1989
Lawrence Hill, Gentleman of Courage (1987), p 223.
Suffolk Manorial Families, p 346.
VCH Staffordshire
Wrottesley Pedigrees from the Plea Rolls, p 161.

etc.

(I think)

Doug Smith

John Higgins

Re: John Arderne/Margaret Pilkington (d 1423)

Legg inn av John Higgins » 13 mai 2006 03:26:02

I suspect that I may have been the one who gave Leo the information you cite
on the Pilkingtons, and the source listed in Leo's site does in fact report
what he shows. But, as you note, it is chronologically difficult..

If Margaret the wife of Sir John Arderne was in fact the daughter of a Sir
Roger Pilkington, it is possible (and more chronologically likely) that she
was a daughter of the next Sir Roger (son of the one currently shown as
Margaret's father). But I don't have any evidence to support this
alternative either.

The [secondary] source in question is generally pretty well documented, but
it doesn't give a specific reference for Margaret's parentage, so it could
well have misplaced her.

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: John Arderne/Margaret Pilkington (d 1423)


On Leo's great web site here
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.ph ... 4&tree=LEO

we see Margaret who d 1423 and had a child Maud in 1398
flipping to Margaret's father Sir Roger de Pilkington here
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.ph ... 7&tree=LEO

we see that he died in 1343

Thus Margaret Pilkington was at least 54 years old when she gave birth.

Or ?

Will Johnson


John Higgins

Re: John Arderne/Margaret Pilkington (d 1423)

Legg inn av John Higgins » 14 mai 2006 03:47:39

FWIW (not necessarily very much), one of the sources mentioned below,
Burke's Peerage, gives Margaret Pilkington (wife of Sir John Arderne) the
same apparently incorrect parentage that Will Johnson's original message
mentioned. The chronology however suggests, as Will has indicated, that
Margaret was a daughter of the younger Sir Roger Pilklington, not the elder.

Neither BP nor the source cited in Leo's Genealogics gives the name of the
wife of the younger Sir Roger. If one of the other sources mentioned below
reliably calls her Margaret, that could be an additonal argument in favor of
the daughter Margaret being of that marriage rather than of the elder Sir
Roger.

----- Original Message -----
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To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: John Arderne/Margaret Pilkington (d 1423)


WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
On Leo's great web site here
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.ph ... 4&tree=LEO

we see Margaret who d 1423 and had a child Maud in 1398
flipping to Margaret's father Sir Roger de Pilkington here
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.ph ... 7&tree=LEO

we see that he died in 1343

Thus Margaret Pilkington was at least 54 years old when she gave birth.

Or ?

Will Johnson

More like:

Maud d'Arderne b abt 1398

dau. of

John d' Ardern (1369-1408)
Maud (Margaret) Pilkington b est 1375

dau. of Sir Roger P. (1325-1406)
Margaret

Sir Roger P. was son of the Sir Roger Pilkington who died in 1343.

Sources: B P and Baronetage (1967), p 1989
Lawrence Hill, Gentleman of Courage (1987), p 223.
Suffolk Manorial Families, p 346.
VCH Staffordshire
Wrottesley Pedigrees from the Plea Rolls, p 161.

etc.

(I think)

Doug Smith


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