Dreadful error (sigh, cry)

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Leo van de Pas

Dreadful error (sigh, cry)

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 12 mai 2006 08:19:05

I have just returned from collecting my mail.There was a special edition of the Dutch Magazine "Gens Nostra" celebrating 60 years. In it was shown "the longest matrilineal line" which started with Princess Margarita de Bourbon-Parma, daughter of Princess Irene of The Netherlands.

No this is not OT as the error takes place in medieval times.

Paget gives us
P 6848 Margareta von Elter, daughter of Johann von Elter (Q 13695) Johann von Elter and Joanna von Aspremont (Q 13696)

Gens Nostra gives her different parents and by using ES I have to agree.

At the moment I have
gen.21 Margareta von Elter
daughter of
gen.22 Jeanne (joanna) d'Aspremont
daughter of
gen.23 Jeannette de Saulx
daughter of
gen. 24Jeanne de Voudray

What Gens Nostra shows is :
gen.21 Margareta von Elter
daughter of
gen.22 Irmesind von Hollenfels------a footnote in GN makes her mother questionable. (see below)
daughter of
gen.23 Irmgard von Tomberg
daughter of
gen.24 Irmesind von Blankenheim
daughter of
gen.25 Elisabeth von Leiningen
daughter of
gen.26 Sophia von Freiburg
daughter of
gen.27 Katharina von Lichtenberg

The footnote
Irmesind; According to Schwennick ES Neue Folge Volume 7 Tafel 51 a daughter from the first marriage of Gobel, but note has been taken of her name probably she was from the second marriage of Gobel.

What is the situation?
ES VII tafel 51 gives Irmesind von Hollenfels (married before 10 August 1381) is daughter of Gobel and Kunigunde von Rodemachern

There is a Hollenfels in ES VII 51 but they are descendants, not ancestors.
ES VII Tafel 139 gives that Irmgard von Tomberg (-1365-1390-) married 28 August 1365 Gobel IV von Hollenfels

ES VII Tafel 48
(Kunigunde) von Rodemachern married Gobel von Hollenfels -1346-1390-

Gens Nostra must have seen that ES gives Irmesind as mother Kunigunde von Rodemachern but display Irmgard von Tomberg as mother.

Would anyone have other sources that can give a more definitive answer to this problem?
Many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

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