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thomasse GANTELME

Legg inn av jlucsoler » 30 apr 2006 02:54:24

i am still looking a theory about the parents of Thomasse GANTELME wife of
isnard de Ponteves

if someone have it

many thx

JL

Akrogiali

Re: thomasse GANTELME

Legg inn av Akrogiali » 01 mai 2006 00:39:44

You should look for facts and not theories.

Theories more often then not distort the facts

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i am still looking a theory about the parents of Thomasse GANTELME wife of
isnard de Ponteves

if someone have it

many thx

JL

jlucsoler

thomasse GANTELME Mr Akrogiali

Legg inn av jlucsoler » 01 mai 2006 01:54:38

Facts are simple...

1) Thomasse Gantelme heiress of Cabannes married Isanrd de Ponteves (died
1349)
no original sources give her parentage (yes maybe one)

2)the famous "nobiliaire d'Hozier give her in registre 7, généalogie des
Sabran-Pontevès, page 665 du registre (ou 57 de la généalogie) :
as "daughter of Jacques (Giacomo) and sister of the count of Oliveto and of
the count of Popoli ain Napoli Kingdom" we can c orrect by "Thomasse
CANTELMI, daughter of Jacques (Giacomo) and sister of the count of Oliveto
and Popoli . and it is not Oliveto,but Alvito.
but chtonologiclly no Giacomo or Jacques fits

3) an other source Serie B of Archives departementales des bouches du rhone,
trnslated by the famous historians R. Busquet qaid page 88 Thomasse is
daughteur of a Jean GANTELME (Founder of Convent of St Honorat in ARLES) and
that she Married Isnard de PONTEVES in 1370

but again no Jean fits... because Jean died without posterity

4) Litta (given by D. Shama in his site Sardimpex) doesn t mention Thomasse
any more and does not show a Giacomo or Jean who fits...

5) Moreri give thomasse as daugrher of Jacques and Dauphine D'ALLEST but he
had no posterity named Thomasse (in 1366 in her wife's will onli one Jacques
young, one Jean young too

thats the facts. I must add that i saw the original sources (few sources of
course: serie B) because i live 500 meters far from the archives of my
district.

with this starting point.. I CAN consider that one can elaborate theory and
that others CAN consider it , verificate it and give contradiction

thanks JL

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