A second Hubbard question
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Richard Smyth at Road Run
A second Hubbard question
Leslie et al.:
I have a second question about William Hubbard---one which grew out of the question about his wives. From some source (which I am not able to locate easily) I got the impression that he was from Little Clacton, rather than Great Clacton. It occurred to me that the Little Clacton parish records might show the date of burial of a first wife. Unfortunately, that record does not seem to have been kept for the decade before 1630. (And from the baptism records of the previous decade, I doubt that he was an adult resident of Little Clacton.)
On the other hand, I did find a baptism record at Little Clacton in September of 1589 for William Hubbard, son of Robert and Susan. My question is whether the birth record for William Hubbard has been settled. Or is it still an open question? The date seems to agree with an age of 40 in 1630.
One other pointf: There are also a number of entries in the Little Clacton records for William and for Richard Hubbards in what must have been the generation of the New England William Hubbard's father.
Regards,
Richard Smyth
smyth@nc.rr.com
I have a second question about William Hubbard---one which grew out of the question about his wives. From some source (which I am not able to locate easily) I got the impression that he was from Little Clacton, rather than Great Clacton. It occurred to me that the Little Clacton parish records might show the date of burial of a first wife. Unfortunately, that record does not seem to have been kept for the decade before 1630. (And from the baptism records of the previous decade, I doubt that he was an adult resident of Little Clacton.)
On the other hand, I did find a baptism record at Little Clacton in September of 1589 for William Hubbard, son of Robert and Susan. My question is whether the birth record for William Hubbard has been settled. Or is it still an open question? The date seems to agree with an age of 40 in 1630.
One other pointf: There are also a number of entries in the Little Clacton records for William and for Richard Hubbards in what must have been the generation of the New England William Hubbard's father.
Regards,
Richard Smyth
smyth@nc.rr.com
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Douglas Richardson
Re: A third Hubbard question
Dear Richard ~
I have a third Hubbard question. Boyd's Marriage Index shows the
following marriage for William and Judith Hubbard:
1609 Hubbard, William & Judith Hawes Lawford, Essex
Where is Judith Knapp?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
"Richard Smyth at Road Runner" wrote:
I have a third Hubbard question. Boyd's Marriage Index shows the
following marriage for William and Judith Hubbard:
1609 Hubbard, William & Judith Hawes Lawford, Essex
Where is Judith Knapp?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
"Richard Smyth at Road Runner" wrote:
Leslie et al.:
I have a second question about William Hubbard---one which grew out of the question about his wives. From some source (which I am not able to locate easily) I got the impression that he was from Little Clacton, rather than Great Clacton. It occurred to me that the Little Clacton parish records might show the date of burial of a first wife. Unfortunately, that record does not seem to have been kept for the decade before 1630. (And from the baptism records of the previous decade, I doubt that he was an adult resident of Little Clacton.)
On the other hand, I did find a baptism record at Little Clacton in September of 1589 for William Hubbard, son of Robert and Susan. My question is whether the birth record for William Hubbard has been settled. Or is it still an open question? The date seems to agree with an age of 40 in 1630.
One other pointf: There are also a number of entries in the Little Clacton records for William and for Richard Hubbards in what must have been the generation of the New England William Hubbard's father.
Regards,
Richard Smyth
smyth@nc.rr.com
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Richard Smyth at UNC-CH
Re: A third Hubbard question
Douglas:
Thank you for that information, which must refer to William Hubbard's first
wife. Everyone seems to agree that Judith Knapp was not his first wife.
She was 25 in 1630 and some of his children were over twenty. (Savage did
speculate that the 1630 date might be an error, but I don't think anyone has
bought that.)
Speaking of errors, I was mistaken in what I posted about a possible name of
William Hubbard's father. I will scan the Little Clacton parish record
entry and post it as an attachment for anyone who is interested.
Regards,
Richard Smyth
smyth@nc.rr.com
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From: "Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com>
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Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: A third Hubbard question
Thank you for that information, which must refer to William Hubbard's first
wife. Everyone seems to agree that Judith Knapp was not his first wife.
She was 25 in 1630 and some of his children were over twenty. (Savage did
speculate that the 1630 date might be an error, but I don't think anyone has
bought that.)
Speaking of errors, I was mistaken in what I posted about a possible name of
William Hubbard's father. I will scan the Little Clacton parish record
entry and post it as an attachment for anyone who is interested.
Regards,
Richard Smyth
smyth@nc.rr.com
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From: "Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: A third Hubbard question
Dear Richard ~
I have a third Hubbard question. Boyd's Marriage Index shows the
following marriage for William and Judith Hubbard:
1609 Hubbard, William & Judith Hawes Lawford, Essex
Where is Judith Knapp?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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Douglas Richardson
Re: A third Hubbard question
Dear Richard ~
If the immigrant, William Hubbard's wife, Judith, was aged 25 in 1630,
she can't possibly have been Judith Knapp. The 1612 Visitation of
Suffolk includes the marriage of Judith Knapp and her husband, William
Hubbard [see Walter C. Metcalfe, ed., The Visitations of Suffolk
(1882): 149 (Knapp pedigree)]. If this was the immigrant's wife, she
would have been only 7 years old in 1612, which is not very likely.
It is possible, on the other hand, that Judith Knapp married twice,
first to _____ Hawes, and 2nd, in 1609, at Lawford, Essex to William
Hubbard. But she still would not be the same person as the immigrant's
wife. Unless there is some other piece of evidence which hasn't yet
been presented, it seems clear to me that the immigrant's wife has been
misidentified.
In a previous post, you mentioned the Candler pedigrees. What, if
anything, do they have to say about the immigrant's marriage to his
wife, Judith?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
"Richard Smyth at UNC-CH" wrote:
If the immigrant, William Hubbard's wife, Judith, was aged 25 in 1630,
she can't possibly have been Judith Knapp. The 1612 Visitation of
Suffolk includes the marriage of Judith Knapp and her husband, William
Hubbard [see Walter C. Metcalfe, ed., The Visitations of Suffolk
(1882): 149 (Knapp pedigree)]. If this was the immigrant's wife, she
would have been only 7 years old in 1612, which is not very likely.
It is possible, on the other hand, that Judith Knapp married twice,
first to _____ Hawes, and 2nd, in 1609, at Lawford, Essex to William
Hubbard. But she still would not be the same person as the immigrant's
wife. Unless there is some other piece of evidence which hasn't yet
been presented, it seems clear to me that the immigrant's wife has been
misidentified.
In a previous post, you mentioned the Candler pedigrees. What, if
anything, do they have to say about the immigrant's marriage to his
wife, Judith?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
"Richard Smyth at UNC-CH" wrote:
Douglas:
Thank you for that information, which must refer to William Hubbard's first
wife. Everyone seems to agree that Judith Knapp was not his first wife.
She was 25 in 1630 and some of his children were over twenty. (Savage did
speculate that the 1630 date might be an error, but I don't think anyone has
bought that.)
Speaking of errors, I was mistaken in what I posted about a possible name of
William Hubbard's father. I will scan the Little Clacton parish record
entry and post it as an attachment for anyone who is interested.
Regards,
Richard Smyth
smyth@nc.rr.com
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From: "Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: A third Hubbard question
Dear Richard ~
I have a third Hubbard question. Boyd's Marriage Index shows the
following marriage for William and Judith Hubbard:
1609 Hubbard, William & Judith Hawes Lawford, Essex
Where is Judith Knapp?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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Richard Smyth at Road Run
Re: A third Hubbard question
Douglas:
Your 1612 reference has revived my interest in Judith Knapp, since my
ancestress could not have been the daughter of a Judith who was 25 in 1630.
My interest had turned to the ancestry of William, as indicated in my 4th
Hubbard query.
As to your question, my memory is that the Candler document does not give
any dates. I may have a scan of the document but it would take me a week to
find it. The world's leading authority on this matter is Leslie Mahler, who
has examined the material more recently and who, unlike myself, knows how to
interpret and evaluate it. I am hoping for an evaluation of the Little
Clacton records from him, or from someone like him who is used to reading
these early parish records.
Regards,
Richard Smyth
smyth@nc.rr.com
Your 1612 reference has revived my interest in Judith Knapp, since my
ancestress could not have been the daughter of a Judith who was 25 in 1630.
My interest had turned to the ancestry of William, as indicated in my 4th
Hubbard query.
As to your question, my memory is that the Candler document does not give
any dates. I may have a scan of the document but it would take me a week to
find it. The world's leading authority on this matter is Leslie Mahler, who
has examined the material more recently and who, unlike myself, knows how to
interpret and evaluate it. I am hoping for an evaluation of the Little
Clacton records from him, or from someone like him who is used to reading
these early parish records.
Regards,
Richard Smyth
smyth@nc.rr.com
If the immigrant, William Hubbard's wife, Judith, was aged 25 in 1630,
she can't possibly have been Judith Knapp. The 1612 Visitation of
Suffolk includes the marriage of Judith Knapp and her husband, William
Hubbard [see Walter C. Metcalfe, ed., The Visitations of Suffolk
(1882): 149 (Knapp pedigree)]. If this was the immigrant's wife, she
would have been only 7 years old in 1612, which is not very likely.
It is possible, on the other hand, that Judith Knapp married twice,
first to _____ Hawes, and 2nd, in 1609, at Lawford, Essex to William
Hubbard. But she still would not be the same person as the immigrant's
wife. Unless there is some other piece of evidence which hasn't yet
been presented, it seems clear to me that the immigrant's wife has been
misidentified.
In a previous post, you mentioned the Candler pedigrees. What, if
anything, do they have to say about the immigrant's marriage to his
wife, Judith?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
"Richard Smyth at UNC-CH" wrote:
Douglas:
Thank you for that information, which must refer to William Hubbard's
first
wife. Everyone seems to agree that Judith Knapp was not his first
wife.
She was 25 in 1630 and some of his children were over twenty. (Savage
did
speculate that the 1630 date might be an error, but I don't think anyone
has
bought that.)
Speaking of errors, I was mistaken in what I posted about a possible
name of
William Hubbard's father. I will scan the Little Clacton parish record
entry and post it as an attachment for anyone who is interested.
Regards,
Richard Smyth
smyth@nc.rr.com
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From: "Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: A third Hubbard question
Dear Richard ~
I have a third Hubbard question. Boyd's Marriage Index shows the
following marriage for William and Judith Hubbard:
1609 Hubbard, William & Judith Hawes Lawford, Essex
Where is Judith Knapp?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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John Brandon
Re: A third Hubbard question
If the immigrant, William Hubbard's wife, Judith, was aged 25 in 1630,
she can't possibly have been Judith Knapp. The 1612 Visitation of
I believe Judith was said to be 25 in the ***1635*** passenger list,
which puts even more chronological strain on the whole problem.
Are William Hubbard's parents known? Perhaps his mother was actually
Judith Knapp Hubbard, and this predisposed him to marrying women also
called Judith?
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John Brandon
Re: A third Hubbard question
Remember this reference ...
http://books.google.com/books?vid=0-7A5 ... ler+rogers
which states that "a daughter of hers [Judith Knapp Hubbard] married
Mr. Knight, minister of St. Matthew's parish in Ipswich." I don't
believe there was a St. Matthew's parish in Ipswich, Massachusetts, so
this must be OLD Ipswich.
Furthermore, I don't see any daughter of Hubbard's marrying a Knight in
Savage's _Dictionary_. See
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/newen ... d-huff.htm
.. Does anyone have the relevant Great Migration volume handy?
I'm wondering if the wife of Rev. Knight wasn't a sister of William
Hubbard of New England, and if Judith Knapp Hubbard wasn't his mother,
rather than his wife --
http://books.google.com/books?vid=0-7A5 ... ler+rogers
which states that "a daughter of hers [Judith Knapp Hubbard] married
Mr. Knight, minister of St. Matthew's parish in Ipswich." I don't
believe there was a St. Matthew's parish in Ipswich, Massachusetts, so
this must be OLD Ipswich.
Furthermore, I don't see any daughter of Hubbard's marrying a Knight in
Savage's _Dictionary_. See
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/newen ... d-huff.htm
.. Does anyone have the relevant Great Migration volume handy?
I'm wondering if the wife of Rev. Knight wasn't a sister of William
Hubbard of New England, and if Judith Knapp Hubbard wasn't his mother,
rather than his wife --
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Gjest
Re: A third Hubbard question
John Brandon schrieb:
There is a St Matthew's in Ipswich, Suffolk; its parish registers
extend back to 1559 and it is covered on the IGI. I don't have a list
of rectors to hand, but a look at the Alumni Oxon & Cantab sub Knight
should identify the gentleman in question.
MA-R
Remember this reference ...
http://books.google.com/books?vid=0-7A5 ... ler+rogers
which states that "a daughter of hers [Judith Knapp Hubbard] married
Mr. Knight, minister of St. Matthew's parish in Ipswich." I don't
believe there was a St. Matthew's parish in Ipswich, Massachusetts, so
this must be OLD Ipswich.
There is a St Matthew's in Ipswich, Suffolk; its parish registers
extend back to 1559 and it is covered on the IGI. I don't have a list
of rectors to hand, but a look at the Alumni Oxon & Cantab sub Knight
should identify the gentleman in question.
MA-R
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Gjest
Re: A third Hubbard question
m...@btinternet.com schrieb:
The IGI shows baptisms between 1607 and 1610 at St Matthew's, Ipswich,
for children of Thomas & Elizabeth Knight - FWIW
John Brandon schrieb:
Remember this reference ...
http://books.google.com/books?vid=0-7A5 ... ler+rogers
which states that "a daughter of hers [Judith Knapp Hubbard] married
Mr. Knight, minister of St. Matthew's parish in Ipswich." I don't
believe there was a St. Matthew's parish in Ipswich, Massachusetts, so
this must be OLD Ipswich.
There is a St Matthew's in Ipswich, Suffolk; its parish registers
extend back to 1559 and it is covered on the IGI. I don't have a list
of rectors to hand, but a look at the Alumni Oxon & Cantab sub Knight
should identify the gentleman in question.
The IGI shows baptisms between 1607 and 1610 at St Matthew's, Ipswich,
for children of Thomas & Elizabeth Knight - FWIW
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John Brandon
Re: A third Hubbard question
Surely the Thomas Knight and Elizabeth RICHEMOUNT married there in 1603
.....
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Gjest
Re: A third Hubbard question
I dont know if Im really some great authority.
I am familiar with a great number of New England colonists,
so occasionally, Im able to make some new discoveries.
Notice that the Great Migration sketch of the Hubbards states that
Judith's age on the passenger list could be wrong, and that she
could be the mother of all of William's children.
Perhaps we should let Doug take over, since he can
'solve the unsolvable', and he is supposedly a trained researcher /
historian.
Leslie
I am familiar with a great number of New England colonists,
so occasionally, Im able to make some new discoveries.
Notice that the Great Migration sketch of the Hubbards states that
Judith's age on the passenger list could be wrong, and that she
could be the mother of all of William's children.
Perhaps we should let Doug take over, since he can
'solve the unsolvable', and he is supposedly a trained researcher /
historian.
Leslie
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Gjest
Re: A third Hubbard question
John Brandon schrieb:
Assuming that the IGI entries are accurate reflections of the register
(the marriage may be a Licence), yes: they do show, however, that there
was at least a Knight family resident in the Parish. Perhaps those
with a direct interest can take over from here.
MA-R
Surely the Thomas Knight and Elizabeth RICHEMOUNT married there in 1603
....
Assuming that the IGI entries are accurate reflections of the register
(the marriage may be a Licence), yes: they do show, however, that there
was at least a Knight family resident in the Parish. Perhaps those
with a direct interest can take over from here.
MA-R
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John Brandon
Re: A third Hubbard question
Notice that the Great Migration sketch of the Hubbards states that
Judith's age on the passenger list could be wrong, and that she
could be the mother of all of William's children.
But was the Martha Hubbard, aged 22 in the passenger list, actually the
daughter of William? If he was 40, he'd only be 18 years older ...
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Douglas Richardson
Re: A third Hubbard question
Dear Richard ~
All is not lost. Checking various sources, it appears possible that
Henry Wodehouse, an early Virginian immigrant, descends from Constance
Gedding, wife of John Wodehouse, of Kimberley, Norfolk. Constance
(Gedding) Wodehouse posesses the same Gedding-Aspale-Wake connection as
Judith (Knapp) Hubbard which goes back to King John. This ancestry
also features at least one descent from a Magna Carta baron, Saier de
Quincy.
So we have one possible line from the Gedding family, even the
Knapp-Hubbard connection must be discarded.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
Douglas Richardson wrote:
All is not lost. Checking various sources, it appears possible that
Henry Wodehouse, an early Virginian immigrant, descends from Constance
Gedding, wife of John Wodehouse, of Kimberley, Norfolk. Constance
(Gedding) Wodehouse posesses the same Gedding-Aspale-Wake connection as
Judith (Knapp) Hubbard which goes back to King John. This ancestry
also features at least one descent from a Magna Carta baron, Saier de
Quincy.
So we have one possible line from the Gedding family, even the
Knapp-Hubbard connection must be discarded.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
Douglas Richardson wrote:
Dear Richard ~
If the immigrant, William Hubbard's wife, Judith, was aged 25 in 1630,
she can't possibly have been Judith Knapp. The 1612 Visitation of
Suffolk includes the marriage of Judith Knapp and her husband, William
Hubbard [see Walter C. Metcalfe, ed., The Visitations of Suffolk
(1882): 149 (Knapp pedigree)]. If this was the immigrant's wife, she
would have been only 7 years old in 1612, which is not very likely.
It is possible, on the other hand, that Judith Knapp married twice,
first to _____ Hawes, and 2nd, in 1609, at Lawford, Essex to William
Hubbard. But she still would not be the same person as the immigrant's
wife. Unless there is some other piece of evidence which hasn't yet
been presented, it seems clear to me that the immigrant's wife has been
misidentified.
In a previous post, you mentioned the Candler pedigrees. What, if
anything, do they have to say about the immigrant's marriage to his
wife, Judith?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
"Richard Smyth at UNC-CH" wrote:
Douglas:
Thank you for that information, which must refer to William Hubbard's first
wife. Everyone seems to agree that Judith Knapp was not his first wife.
She was 25 in 1630 and some of his children were over twenty. (Savage did
speculate that the 1630 date might be an error, but I don't think anyone has
bought that.)
Speaking of errors, I was mistaken in what I posted about a possible name of
William Hubbard's father. I will scan the Little Clacton parish record
entry and post it as an attachment for anyone who is interested.
Regards,
Richard Smyth
smyth@nc.rr.com
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From: "Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: A third Hubbard question
Dear Richard ~
I have a third Hubbard question. Boyd's Marriage Index shows the
following marriage for William and Judith Hubbard:
1609 Hubbard, William & Judith Hawes Lawford, Essex
Where is Judith Knapp?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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Douglas Richardson
Re: A third Hubbard question
Dear John ~
Great post.
If the immigrant, William Hubbard's wife was Judith Hawes, and if
Judith Hawes was a widow when Hubbard married her, then Judith's
daughter could well be a child of her Hawes marriage. Whatever the
case, I imagine the daughter was married before Judith immigrated to
New England in 1630. If so, this would indicate that William Hubbard's
wife was older than aged 25 in 1630.
Do you know the source which states Judith had a daughter who was the
wife of a minister named Knight of Ipswich, Suffolk?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
John Brandon wrote:
Great post.
If the immigrant, William Hubbard's wife was Judith Hawes, and if
Judith Hawes was a widow when Hubbard married her, then Judith's
daughter could well be a child of her Hawes marriage. Whatever the
case, I imagine the daughter was married before Judith immigrated to
New England in 1630. If so, this would indicate that William Hubbard's
wife was older than aged 25 in 1630.
Do you know the source which states Judith had a daughter who was the
wife of a minister named Knight of Ipswich, Suffolk?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
John Brandon wrote:
Remember this reference ...
http://books.google.com/books?vid=0-7A5 ... ler+rogers
which states that "a daughter of hers [Judith Knapp Hubbard] married
Mr. Knight, minister of St. Matthew's parish in Ipswich." I don't
believe there was a St. Matthew's parish in Ipswich, Massachusetts, so
this must be OLD Ipswich.
Furthermore, I don't see any daughter of Hubbard's marrying a Knight in
Savage's _Dictionary_. See
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/newen ... d-huff.htm
. Does anyone have the relevant Great Migration volume handy?
I'm wondering if the wife of Rev. Knight wasn't a sister of William
Hubbard of New England, and if Judith Knapp Hubbard wasn't his mother,
rather than his wife --
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John Brandon
Re: A third Hubbard question
Do you know the source which states Judith had a daughter who was the
wife of a minister named Knight of Ipswich, Suffolk?
I believe it was the Candler mss. in its account of the Knapp family
(if I'm reading that correctly).
But don't know if the Hawes marriage could be correct, either.
Remember that the ages for the passengers were given in 1635, not 1630.
If William Hubbard was aged 40 in 1635, then he was born in 1595,
still too young for the Hawes marriage. If Judith Hubbard was aged 25
in 1635, she was born in 1610, **definitely** too young for the
marriage.
There's even a problem with the age of the daughter Martha, 22 in 1635,
hence born in 1613, when her father was 18. This could be possible, of
course, but seems a bit of a stretch.
I wonder if the passenger list definitely states Judith was William's
wife? If not, I'd say Judith (aged 25) and Martha (aged 22) could have
been younger siblings of William. The place to check would be the
Great Migration sketch of William Hubbard in the 1634-35 series (don't
have access to this).
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Douglas Richardson
Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
Dear Newsgroup ~
The noble John Brandon kindly posted today a weblink showing a
passenger list for the family of New World immigrant, William Hubbard.
According to that information, William Hubbard, husbandman, aged 40,
immigrated to New England in 1630 on the ship, Defense, and was
accompanied by seven members of his family, Judith, aged 25, Martha,
aged 22, Mary, aged 20, John, aged 15, William, aged 13, Nathaniel,
aged 6, and Richard, aged 4. Coincidentally, on board the same ship,
were my own ancestors, William and Mabel Read, of Newcastle-upon-Tyne,
and their three children.
It appears to be commonly accepted that Judith Hubbard, aged 25, was
William Hubbard's wife, but my feeling is that this was actually his
eldest daughter. Whatever the case, if William Hubbard's wife was the
same person as Judith, daughter of John Knapp, of Ipswich, Suffolk as
believed by Gary Boyd Roberts, then we know for certainty that this
couple were married sometime before 1612, which is indicated by the
Knapp pedigree recorded in the published 1612 Visitation of Suffolk.
Thus, all of the children under aged 18 in 1630 would necessarily be
the issue of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard. Since Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's
mother was named Martha, it would seem likely that the child, Martha,
aged 22 in 1630, was her child and named for her mother. If so, we
might suppose that all of the children belong to Judith (Knapp)
Hubbard.
In the pedigree of the Knapp family found in Candler's Suffolk & Essex
Pedigrees, Volume II, page 317, specific detailed particulars are given
about the children of John Knapp, of St. Peter's, Ipswich, Suffolk, and
his wife, Martha Bloyse. Among the comments made there, it is stated
that John Knapp's daughter, Judith Knapp, married William "Hobert," and
that she had two children, an unnamed daughter who "married Mr. Knight
Minister of St. Matthewes parish in Ipswich," and a son, William, who
"married Mary daughter of Nathaniel Rogers."
As for the identity of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's son-in-law, this is
easily discovered by checking the published list of Cambridge alumnae
by Venn and Venn as suggested by Mr. Brandon. This source gives the
following information regarding the minister, William Knight, who was
presented to St. Matthew's, Ipswich, in 1655, and also information
regarding William Knight's son, William the younger, born about 1639,
and his grandson, William III, baptized 1677:
"William Knight. Admitted pens. at Emanuel, Jan. 31, 1626/7; 1st son
of William [Knight] of St. Olave, Southwark, and Elizabeth, widow of
Rev. Thomas Stoughton (1576-7). Matriculated 1626-7; B.A., 1630-1;
M.A., 1634. Went to New England, 1637, where he settled at Ipswich,
Mass., and was for some years a preacher. Returned to England, 1643,
with his half-brother, Col. Israel Stoughton. Presented by Oliver
Cromwell to St. Matthew's, Ipswich, July 31, 1655. Curate of St.
Mary-at-Elms [Ipswich]. Afterwards conformed. Ordained priest (Bishop
Brownrigg, of Exeter), Aug. 8, 1659, and held his livings till his
death. Buried at St. Mary-at-Elms [Ipswich], Jan. 6, 1694-5. Father
of the next. (Felt, 281; J.G. Bartlett)."
"William Knight. Admitted sizar (aged 17) at Pembroke, April 18, 1656.
Son of William (above), from New England. B.A., 1659; M.A., 1665.
Vicar of Bastwood, Essex, 1668-73. Vicar of Stotfold, Bedfordshire,
1676-81. Father of next."
"William Knight. Admitted at Corpus Christi, 1695. Of Bedfordshire.
Son of William (above). Baptized at Stotfold, Nov. 4, 1677.
Matriculated 1695; B.A., 1698-9." [Reference: Venn & Venn, Alumni
Cantabrigienses, Part I, Volume III (1924): 30].
Given that the first William Knight (born say 1611) was only in New
England between 1637 and 1643; and given that his son, William the
younger, was born about 1639, evidently in New England, it seems likely
to me that the elder William Knight probably married a daughter of
Judith (Knapp) Hubbard in New England in the period, 1637-1639, after
both the Hubbard and Knight families immigrated to New England. This
assumes, of course, that the William Knight's wife was a child of the
William Hubbard who immigrated in 1630 on the ship, Defense.
Past experience with ship passenger lists has found that the ages cited
in them can vary considerably from the actual ages of the individuals
who crossed the Atlantic. As such, it is entirely possible that
William Hubbard is the individual who married in 1609, at Lawford,
Essex to Judith Hawes, and that all the above children who appear on
the ship list in 1630 belong to this marriage. It is also possible
that Judith Hawes is the same person as Judith (Knapp) Hubbard, if
Judith Knapp can be shown to have had an earlier marriage to someone
named Hawes. It is also possible that Judith, aged 25, and Martha,
aged 22, were not Hubbard children at all, but children by a previous
Hawes marriage. It is also possible that William Hubbard's wife,
Judith, accompanied her husband on the ship, the Defense, and that her
name was left off the list of passengers.
The next logical step it seems would be to examine the parish registers
of Lawford, Essex for the marriage record of William Hubbard and Judith
Hawes, and also for the baptisms of any Hawes or Hubbard children. For
now, many questions remain unanswered.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
The noble John Brandon kindly posted today a weblink showing a
passenger list for the family of New World immigrant, William Hubbard.
According to that information, William Hubbard, husbandman, aged 40,
immigrated to New England in 1630 on the ship, Defense, and was
accompanied by seven members of his family, Judith, aged 25, Martha,
aged 22, Mary, aged 20, John, aged 15, William, aged 13, Nathaniel,
aged 6, and Richard, aged 4. Coincidentally, on board the same ship,
were my own ancestors, William and Mabel Read, of Newcastle-upon-Tyne,
and their three children.
It appears to be commonly accepted that Judith Hubbard, aged 25, was
William Hubbard's wife, but my feeling is that this was actually his
eldest daughter. Whatever the case, if William Hubbard's wife was the
same person as Judith, daughter of John Knapp, of Ipswich, Suffolk as
believed by Gary Boyd Roberts, then we know for certainty that this
couple were married sometime before 1612, which is indicated by the
Knapp pedigree recorded in the published 1612 Visitation of Suffolk.
Thus, all of the children under aged 18 in 1630 would necessarily be
the issue of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard. Since Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's
mother was named Martha, it would seem likely that the child, Martha,
aged 22 in 1630, was her child and named for her mother. If so, we
might suppose that all of the children belong to Judith (Knapp)
Hubbard.
In the pedigree of the Knapp family found in Candler's Suffolk & Essex
Pedigrees, Volume II, page 317, specific detailed particulars are given
about the children of John Knapp, of St. Peter's, Ipswich, Suffolk, and
his wife, Martha Bloyse. Among the comments made there, it is stated
that John Knapp's daughter, Judith Knapp, married William "Hobert," and
that she had two children, an unnamed daughter who "married Mr. Knight
Minister of St. Matthewes parish in Ipswich," and a son, William, who
"married Mary daughter of Nathaniel Rogers."
As for the identity of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's son-in-law, this is
easily discovered by checking the published list of Cambridge alumnae
by Venn and Venn as suggested by Mr. Brandon. This source gives the
following information regarding the minister, William Knight, who was
presented to St. Matthew's, Ipswich, in 1655, and also information
regarding William Knight's son, William the younger, born about 1639,
and his grandson, William III, baptized 1677:
"William Knight. Admitted pens. at Emanuel, Jan. 31, 1626/7; 1st son
of William [Knight] of St. Olave, Southwark, and Elizabeth, widow of
Rev. Thomas Stoughton (1576-7). Matriculated 1626-7; B.A., 1630-1;
M.A., 1634. Went to New England, 1637, where he settled at Ipswich,
Mass., and was for some years a preacher. Returned to England, 1643,
with his half-brother, Col. Israel Stoughton. Presented by Oliver
Cromwell to St. Matthew's, Ipswich, July 31, 1655. Curate of St.
Mary-at-Elms [Ipswich]. Afterwards conformed. Ordained priest (Bishop
Brownrigg, of Exeter), Aug. 8, 1659, and held his livings till his
death. Buried at St. Mary-at-Elms [Ipswich], Jan. 6, 1694-5. Father
of the next. (Felt, 281; J.G. Bartlett)."
"William Knight. Admitted sizar (aged 17) at Pembroke, April 18, 1656.
Son of William (above), from New England. B.A., 1659; M.A., 1665.
Vicar of Bastwood, Essex, 1668-73. Vicar of Stotfold, Bedfordshire,
1676-81. Father of next."
"William Knight. Admitted at Corpus Christi, 1695. Of Bedfordshire.
Son of William (above). Baptized at Stotfold, Nov. 4, 1677.
Matriculated 1695; B.A., 1698-9." [Reference: Venn & Venn, Alumni
Cantabrigienses, Part I, Volume III (1924): 30].
Given that the first William Knight (born say 1611) was only in New
England between 1637 and 1643; and given that his son, William the
younger, was born about 1639, evidently in New England, it seems likely
to me that the elder William Knight probably married a daughter of
Judith (Knapp) Hubbard in New England in the period, 1637-1639, after
both the Hubbard and Knight families immigrated to New England. This
assumes, of course, that the William Knight's wife was a child of the
William Hubbard who immigrated in 1630 on the ship, Defense.
Past experience with ship passenger lists has found that the ages cited
in them can vary considerably from the actual ages of the individuals
who crossed the Atlantic. As such, it is entirely possible that
William Hubbard is the individual who married in 1609, at Lawford,
Essex to Judith Hawes, and that all the above children who appear on
the ship list in 1630 belong to this marriage. It is also possible
that Judith Hawes is the same person as Judith (Knapp) Hubbard, if
Judith Knapp can be shown to have had an earlier marriage to someone
named Hawes. It is also possible that Judith, aged 25, and Martha,
aged 22, were not Hubbard children at all, but children by a previous
Hawes marriage. It is also possible that William Hubbard's wife,
Judith, accompanied her husband on the ship, the Defense, and that her
name was left off the list of passengers.
The next logical step it seems would be to examine the parish registers
of Lawford, Essex for the marriage record of William Hubbard and Judith
Hawes, and also for the baptisms of any Hawes or Hubbard children. For
now, many questions remain unanswered.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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Douglas Richardson
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
Dear Newsgroup ~
The record below dated 1629 appears to concern Newman Rookes, of
London, the husband of Anne Knapp, sister of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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Source: Harvard Law School, English Deeds Collection 801-900, available
online at
http://www.law.harvard.edu/library/coll ... eeds10.php.
Deeds 809
Lease, 1629, July 2. 5 Charles I. 1 item : parchment ; 63 x 70 cm.
SUMMARY: Lease made by the "Master and Keepers or Wardens and
commonalty of the mistery or art of Brewers of the city of London" to
William Hackle, citizen and barber-surgeon of London, for 63 in hand
and 63 to be paid upon 10 January next coming, of all those their 2
messuages now in the occupation of William Hackle and one Richard
Reynoldes lying in the parish of St. James at Garlickhith, London,
being part and parcel of the great capital messuage commonly called the
"Old Black Swan," containing in length - from the High Street down the
lane there on the east side unto the middle of the stone wall which
divides the said messuage, in the several tenures or occupations of the
said William Hackle and Richard Reynoles, from the messuage now in the
tenure or occupation of Newman Rookes and William Seile - 51 feet, and
in breadth - on the street side toward the North - 20 feet; together
with all the shops, cellars, chambers, rooms, ensements, etc., even
from the ground upward, and together with the free passage way from the
land to the waterside and the necessary use of the wharf, stairs, and
laystall next the waterside jointly and in common with Mary Ridge, John
Gibson, Newman Rookes, William Seile; for 31 years at a rent of 40s. at
four parts of the year. With a note on the dorse that full payment of
63 was made on 10 January, 1629 1630.
WITNESSES: Matthew Hancock, Nicholas Bowes, Richard Milner, Mary Ridge,
John Gibson, William Seily, Emond Atwood, servant to Matthew Hancock.
Indenture, with 1 seal (6 cm.) of red wax, pendant on a tag, bearing a
device: Virgin in a nimbus, with legend seal of the Brewer's guild.
NAMES: I. Huckle, William. II. Rainolde, Richard, d. 1606. III. Rookes,
Newman. IV. Seily, William. V. Ridge, Mary. VI. Gibson, John. VII.
Hobbes, William. VIII. Zachary, Franics. IX. Milner, Richard. X.
Bradshw, Joseph. XI. Dives, Richard. XII. Hancock, Matthew. XIII.
Bowes, Nicholas.
SUBJECTS: 1. Deeds--England--London. 2.
Guilds--England--London--Brewers. 3. London (England)--Charters,
grants, privileges. 4. London (England)--Guilds-- Brewers. 5. St.
James, Garlick Hill (London, England) 6. Garlick Hill (London,
England).
HOLLIS number: -BHH0031
The record below dated 1629 appears to concern Newman Rookes, of
London, the husband of Anne Knapp, sister of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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Source: Harvard Law School, English Deeds Collection 801-900, available
online at
http://www.law.harvard.edu/library/coll ... eeds10.php.
Deeds 809
Lease, 1629, July 2. 5 Charles I. 1 item : parchment ; 63 x 70 cm.
SUMMARY: Lease made by the "Master and Keepers or Wardens and
commonalty of the mistery or art of Brewers of the city of London" to
William Hackle, citizen and barber-surgeon of London, for 63 in hand
and 63 to be paid upon 10 January next coming, of all those their 2
messuages now in the occupation of William Hackle and one Richard
Reynoldes lying in the parish of St. James at Garlickhith, London,
being part and parcel of the great capital messuage commonly called the
"Old Black Swan," containing in length - from the High Street down the
lane there on the east side unto the middle of the stone wall which
divides the said messuage, in the several tenures or occupations of the
said William Hackle and Richard Reynoles, from the messuage now in the
tenure or occupation of Newman Rookes and William Seile - 51 feet, and
in breadth - on the street side toward the North - 20 feet; together
with all the shops, cellars, chambers, rooms, ensements, etc., even
from the ground upward, and together with the free passage way from the
land to the waterside and the necessary use of the wharf, stairs, and
laystall next the waterside jointly and in common with Mary Ridge, John
Gibson, Newman Rookes, William Seile; for 31 years at a rent of 40s. at
four parts of the year. With a note on the dorse that full payment of
63 was made on 10 January, 1629 1630.
WITNESSES: Matthew Hancock, Nicholas Bowes, Richard Milner, Mary Ridge,
John Gibson, William Seily, Emond Atwood, servant to Matthew Hancock.
Indenture, with 1 seal (6 cm.) of red wax, pendant on a tag, bearing a
device: Virgin in a nimbus, with legend seal of the Brewer's guild.
NAMES: I. Huckle, William. II. Rainolde, Richard, d. 1606. III. Rookes,
Newman. IV. Seily, William. V. Ridge, Mary. VI. Gibson, John. VII.
Hobbes, William. VIII. Zachary, Franics. IX. Milner, Richard. X.
Bradshw, Joseph. XI. Dives, Richard. XII. Hancock, Matthew. XIII.
Bowes, Nicholas.
SUBJECTS: 1. Deeds--England--London. 2.
Guilds--England--London--Brewers. 3. London (England)--Charters,
grants, privileges. 4. London (England)--Guilds-- Brewers. 5. St.
James, Garlick Hill (London, England) 6. Garlick Hill (London,
England).
HOLLIS number: -BHH0031
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Douglas Richardson
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
Dear Newsgroup ~
The information below on the Knapp family of Ipswich, Suffolk indicates
that Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's father, John Knapp, merchant and portman
of Ipswich (#11 below), died 2 May 1604, and was buried at St. Peter's
church in Ipswich, Suffolk. He left a will leaving among other
bequests £200 apiece to his three youngest daughters, Judith, Dorcas,
and Phebe; also after his wife, Martha's death, the said Judith,
Dorcas, and Phebe were to receive £100 from a house bequeathed to his
wife, Martha, by testator, & houses, yards, gardens, etc. in St.
Peter's, Ipswich.
Thus, it appears that Judith Knapp, wife of William Hubbard, was
unmarried at the time of her father's will and presumably unmarried at
his death in 1604.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry.net
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Source: Knapp Family Material, available online at
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:qic ... =clnk&cd=1
KNAPP
In 1911 Oswald Greenwaye Knapp, M.A. wrote a book "A History of the
Chief English Families bearing the Name of Knapp". However the major
part of this chapter has been based on research by Paul White, also
wills and the published family pedigrees prepared in the 16th and 17th
Centuries at the Herald's "Visitations".
13. [KNAP571] William (-), as it is supposed, was married to Jilian
(-1552), and they probably had only one child:
12. Robert, see later.
William, as it is supposed, died and afterwards Jilian married 2.
William Aldham. William Aldham died at Brome (1540), and the
beneficiaries under his will included:
Jelian his wife -- (to receive 7 mylche keen, 6 yearlings, 2
calves, 20 sheep, swine, geese, capons and hens, wheat, corn & malt, 4
spoons, household utensils and implements);
Robert Knapp -- (13s. 4d, plus a further 10s. as one of the
executors);
John Knapp, son of Robert -- (10s.) [This John would have been
the John known as John the elder, implying that the later children of
Robert were all born after this will was made (17th February 1740).
John the elder was married prior to 1552, and in fact already had 2
children by then, so was born presumably before 1530]
When "Gelyan" died, the executor of her will was her son Robert Knappe
(who had married Margaret Poley), and the several references therein to
"son's child" etc mean "Robert's child". The chief beneficiaries were
as follows:
Edmund Knappe, son's child -- (£4);
John the younger, son's child -- (£4);
Robarde, son's child -- (£4);
Thomas, son's child -- (£4);
Myrable Knappe, son's daughter -- (£6. 13s. 4d. at marriage;
featherbed; 2 pairs of sheets);
John Knappe, son's eldest son -- (20s);
Joane, wife of John the eldest son -- (gown);
John, child of John the eldest son -- (6s. 8d);
Robard, child of John the eldest son -- (6s. 8d).
The only child of Robert not mentioned was George, presumably born
after the will was made (27th March 1552). All the other children were
minors.
In accordance with the will of Jilian's second husband, William Aldham,
the beneficiaries included:
Jelian, wife -- (7 mylche keen, 6 yearlings, 2 calves, 20 sheep,
swine, geese, capons & hens, gelding, wheat, corn & malt, 4 spoons,
household utensils & implements, 10 marks);
Robert Knapp -- (13s. 4d);
John Knapp, son of Robert -- (10s).
12. [KNAP581] Robert (-1564) of Needham married 1. (perhaps 1535)
[POLY581] Margaret Poley (-, see POLEY). They had seven children:
John the elder (1530), married Joan. (Although John was a
beneficiary in Gelyan's will, his share was small. He also figured in
Robert's will, see later. However he does not appear in the Pedigree
listing, so it would appear he was perhaps illegitimate);
Edmund (1540, based on age 69 when died in 1609), "son & heir",
married 1. (1562) Bridget Munninges; then 2. (1568) Elizabeth Woodock;
11. John the younger (1543), "2nd son", see later;
Robert (1546), "3rd son", married Christian Browne;
Thomas (1548), "4th son", was a merchant in Ipswich (died 1631);
Myrable (1550), married (1563) Robert Hovel alias Smith of
Ashfield;
George (1553), "youngest son".
Margaret died, and afterwards Robert married 2. (at Wetheringsett, July
1560) Ann Horsman, widow. Robert, an Esquire, died at Wetheringsett
(will made September 1563, proved May 1564.) A special request in his
will was that "No child of mine to benefit by my will if he sues my
executors for any legacy given to him by my late mother Jilian Aldame".
This clause may have something to do with his son "John the elder".
The chief beneficiaries of Robert's will were as follows:
Anne his wife, late widow of Robert Horseman -- (£10 annuity for
life from lands and tenements called Studdes in Needham & Barking, and
after Anne's death this passes to John the younger; £5 annuity for
life from lease of Bishoppes Hall in Battisford, and after Anne's
death this annuity passes to son George; close called Buttoler
containing 6.5 acres purchased of Anthony Lockwood);
John the younger, son -- (tenement and land called The Fenn with
one close called Pond Closse in towns and fields of Barking, Creeting,
Battisford & Badley; featherbed; quarter of residue);
Robert, son -- (lands & tenements called Bungeons & hawl in towns
of Barking, Creeting & Battisford, free & copyhold; meadow called
Gruchin in Barking; lease in Northey; lands, tenements, woods &
underwoods purchased of Robert Colchester the younger; featherbed;
quarter of residue);
Thomas, son -- (lands in Coddenham called The Pole; after 10
years, meadow in Creeting purchased of Mr Alnutt; featherbed; quarter
of residue);
John the elder, son -- (lands in Needham field & lands in
Bosberowe, free & copyhold; lease of Bosberowe);
George, son (under 21) -- (lands & tenements purchased of Henry
Aylin called Masons, Kings & Collyers in Battisford & Combes; best bed;
quarter of residue);
children of John the elder -- (6s. 8d. when 21);
Mirable, daughter -- (copper cauldron).
11. [KNAP591] John the younger (1543-1604) of Ipswich, married
[BLOS591] Martha Blosse (-, see BLOSSE). He was a merchant and portman
of Ipswich, where they had eleven children:
John, died young;
10. John, "2nd son & heir", see later;
Thomas, married Katharine Barker;
Margaret, married John Barron of Essex;
Mary, married John Randes of Ipswich;
Martha, married James Palmer a draper of London (mentioned
later);
Elizabeth, married 1. Thomas Woodgate of Ipswich; then 2. Revd.
Richard Holmested of Dinington, Norfolk;
Anne, married (1605) Newman Rookes of London;
Judith, married William Hobart of Essex;
Dorcas, married (at Belstead 1612) Revd. Robert Stansbye;
Phebe, remained unmarried.
John purchased New Place in Stoke, near Ipswich, from Edward Sulyard
(September 1576), where the family afterwards resided. John died at
Ipswich (May 1604). There was a plaque to John in St. Peter's Church,
Ipswich. The description in "County Churches: Suffolk" by T. Hugh
Bryant (1912) reads:
In the South aisle is a brass bearing the effigies of a civilian in
ruff and fur-lined gown, and his wife in calash and embroidered
petticoat; there are groups of 4 sons, two of them in cloaks, and 8
daughters, five of them in hats, shield, and mantling, and inscription
to John Knapp, merchant and portman, 1604, and Martha his wife.
The inscription on the brass itself reads:
HERE LYETH THE BODY OF IOHN KNAPP MARCHAT
AND PORTMAN OF THIS TOWNE OF IPSWICH WHO
DYED YE SECOND DAY OF MAYE ANNO 1604 AND HAD
ISSVE BY MARTHA HIS WIFE 4 SONES & 8 DAVGHTERS
The Knapp coat of arms above the brass has "three close helmets above a
lion passant".
By John's will, the beneficiaries included:
Martha his wife -- (house in occupation of testator, & houses, yards,
gardens, etc. in St. Peter's Ipswich, and after Martha's death this
passes to daughter Mary and her husband John Randes; also tenement in
occupation of Robert Barwicke, in St. Mary Key [viz St. Mary-at-Quay,
Ipswich], and after Martha's death this passes to son Thomas; also
lands & houses in Stoke next Ipswich, free & copyhold, and after
Martha's death this passes to son John; also house & lands called
"Parnells" in Ipswich, Kesgrave, Rushmere & Playford, and this passes
to son Thomas when he is 21; also rent from rent charge purchased of
Robert Sampson, esqr, at Netherhall, in Harsteed, Suffolk. [Query
Harkstead];
- Mary, his daughter, and her husband John Randes -- (part occupation
of house bequested to Martha by testator, & houses, yards, gardens,
etc. in St. Peter's Ipswich)
- Marye, daughter -- (an additional £100);
- Elizabeth, daughter -- (£300; also house, purchased on John &
Richard Smith, in Stowe Markett, Suffolk);-
- Anne, daughter -- (£200; also house in S. Peter's Ipswich bought of
Edmond Harrold);
- Judith, Dorcas and Phebe, three youngest daughters -- (£200 apiece;
also after Martha's death, £100 from house bequested to Martha by
testator, & houses, yards, gardens, etc. in St. Peter's Ipswich);
- Thomas, son -- (lands in Battisford bought of brother, George Knappe;
also £100 when 21);
- John, son -- (£50 per annum from lands & houses in Stoke next
Ipswich during his mother's lifetime; also lands in Sproughton ("???
Hilles Farme") purchased of Edward Cage & Richard Alexander, gents.
10. [KNAP601] John (-) the younger's son, known as "John of
Stoke-juxta-Ipswich", married [HOWA601] Elizabeth Howard (-, see
HOWARD). They had seven children:
Elizabeth, died young, (before 1612);
Margaret (1608), married James Palmer of Widnesham, Nfk;
Martha (1611);
Edmund (c.1612), latterly a gentleman;
John (1613);
9. James, see later;
William, Clerk in Holy Orders M.A., married (at Bentley 1662)
Margaret daughter of John Tesdale.
John, a gentleman, received New Place in Stoke (1615). He immediately
conveyed this property to his brother-in-law James Palmer (December
1615). John was last noted at Kenninghall (Norfolk).
9. [KNAP611] James (-1678) and Mary (-) had four children at
Winfarthing:
James (1649);
8. Mary (December 1651), see later;
William (1660);
Charles (1666).
James (a gentleman) died intestate at Winfarthing (April 1678), and
Administration of his estate was granted to his wife Mary.
8. [KNAP621] Mary (1651-1720) married (bet.1685-88) John Woods
(1646-1703, see WOODS).
The information below on the Knapp family of Ipswich, Suffolk indicates
that Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's father, John Knapp, merchant and portman
of Ipswich (#11 below), died 2 May 1604, and was buried at St. Peter's
church in Ipswich, Suffolk. He left a will leaving among other
bequests £200 apiece to his three youngest daughters, Judith, Dorcas,
and Phebe; also after his wife, Martha's death, the said Judith,
Dorcas, and Phebe were to receive £100 from a house bequeathed to his
wife, Martha, by testator, & houses, yards, gardens, etc. in St.
Peter's, Ipswich.
Thus, it appears that Judith Knapp, wife of William Hubbard, was
unmarried at the time of her father's will and presumably unmarried at
his death in 1604.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry.net
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Source: Knapp Family Material, available online at
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:qic ... =clnk&cd=1
KNAPP
In 1911 Oswald Greenwaye Knapp, M.A. wrote a book "A History of the
Chief English Families bearing the Name of Knapp". However the major
part of this chapter has been based on research by Paul White, also
wills and the published family pedigrees prepared in the 16th and 17th
Centuries at the Herald's "Visitations".
13. [KNAP571] William (-), as it is supposed, was married to Jilian
(-1552), and they probably had only one child:
12. Robert, see later.
William, as it is supposed, died and afterwards Jilian married 2.
William Aldham. William Aldham died at Brome (1540), and the
beneficiaries under his will included:
Jelian his wife -- (to receive 7 mylche keen, 6 yearlings, 2
calves, 20 sheep, swine, geese, capons and hens, wheat, corn & malt, 4
spoons, household utensils and implements);
Robert Knapp -- (13s. 4d, plus a further 10s. as one of the
executors);
John Knapp, son of Robert -- (10s.) [This John would have been
the John known as John the elder, implying that the later children of
Robert were all born after this will was made (17th February 1740).
John the elder was married prior to 1552, and in fact already had 2
children by then, so was born presumably before 1530]
When "Gelyan" died, the executor of her will was her son Robert Knappe
(who had married Margaret Poley), and the several references therein to
"son's child" etc mean "Robert's child". The chief beneficiaries were
as follows:
Edmund Knappe, son's child -- (£4);
John the younger, son's child -- (£4);
Robarde, son's child -- (£4);
Thomas, son's child -- (£4);
Myrable Knappe, son's daughter -- (£6. 13s. 4d. at marriage;
featherbed; 2 pairs of sheets);
John Knappe, son's eldest son -- (20s);
Joane, wife of John the eldest son -- (gown);
John, child of John the eldest son -- (6s. 8d);
Robard, child of John the eldest son -- (6s. 8d).
The only child of Robert not mentioned was George, presumably born
after the will was made (27th March 1552). All the other children were
minors.
In accordance with the will of Jilian's second husband, William Aldham,
the beneficiaries included:
Jelian, wife -- (7 mylche keen, 6 yearlings, 2 calves, 20 sheep,
swine, geese, capons & hens, gelding, wheat, corn & malt, 4 spoons,
household utensils & implements, 10 marks);
Robert Knapp -- (13s. 4d);
John Knapp, son of Robert -- (10s).
12. [KNAP581] Robert (-1564) of Needham married 1. (perhaps 1535)
[POLY581] Margaret Poley (-, see POLEY). They had seven children:
John the elder (1530), married Joan. (Although John was a
beneficiary in Gelyan's will, his share was small. He also figured in
Robert's will, see later. However he does not appear in the Pedigree
listing, so it would appear he was perhaps illegitimate);
Edmund (1540, based on age 69 when died in 1609), "son & heir",
married 1. (1562) Bridget Munninges; then 2. (1568) Elizabeth Woodock;
11. John the younger (1543), "2nd son", see later;
Robert (1546), "3rd son", married Christian Browne;
Thomas (1548), "4th son", was a merchant in Ipswich (died 1631);
Myrable (1550), married (1563) Robert Hovel alias Smith of
Ashfield;
George (1553), "youngest son".
Margaret died, and afterwards Robert married 2. (at Wetheringsett, July
1560) Ann Horsman, widow. Robert, an Esquire, died at Wetheringsett
(will made September 1563, proved May 1564.) A special request in his
will was that "No child of mine to benefit by my will if he sues my
executors for any legacy given to him by my late mother Jilian Aldame".
This clause may have something to do with his son "John the elder".
The chief beneficiaries of Robert's will were as follows:
Anne his wife, late widow of Robert Horseman -- (£10 annuity for
life from lands and tenements called Studdes in Needham & Barking, and
after Anne's death this passes to John the younger; £5 annuity for
life from lease of Bishoppes Hall in Battisford, and after Anne's
death this annuity passes to son George; close called Buttoler
containing 6.5 acres purchased of Anthony Lockwood);
John the younger, son -- (tenement and land called The Fenn with
one close called Pond Closse in towns and fields of Barking, Creeting,
Battisford & Badley; featherbed; quarter of residue);
Robert, son -- (lands & tenements called Bungeons & hawl in towns
of Barking, Creeting & Battisford, free & copyhold; meadow called
Gruchin in Barking; lease in Northey; lands, tenements, woods &
underwoods purchased of Robert Colchester the younger; featherbed;
quarter of residue);
Thomas, son -- (lands in Coddenham called The Pole; after 10
years, meadow in Creeting purchased of Mr Alnutt; featherbed; quarter
of residue);
John the elder, son -- (lands in Needham field & lands in
Bosberowe, free & copyhold; lease of Bosberowe);
George, son (under 21) -- (lands & tenements purchased of Henry
Aylin called Masons, Kings & Collyers in Battisford & Combes; best bed;
quarter of residue);
children of John the elder -- (6s. 8d. when 21);
Mirable, daughter -- (copper cauldron).
11. [KNAP591] John the younger (1543-1604) of Ipswich, married
[BLOS591] Martha Blosse (-, see BLOSSE). He was a merchant and portman
of Ipswich, where they had eleven children:
John, died young;
10. John, "2nd son & heir", see later;
Thomas, married Katharine Barker;
Margaret, married John Barron of Essex;
Mary, married John Randes of Ipswich;
Martha, married James Palmer a draper of London (mentioned
later);
Elizabeth, married 1. Thomas Woodgate of Ipswich; then 2. Revd.
Richard Holmested of Dinington, Norfolk;
Anne, married (1605) Newman Rookes of London;
Judith, married William Hobart of Essex;
Dorcas, married (at Belstead 1612) Revd. Robert Stansbye;
Phebe, remained unmarried.
John purchased New Place in Stoke, near Ipswich, from Edward Sulyard
(September 1576), where the family afterwards resided. John died at
Ipswich (May 1604). There was a plaque to John in St. Peter's Church,
Ipswich. The description in "County Churches: Suffolk" by T. Hugh
Bryant (1912) reads:
In the South aisle is a brass bearing the effigies of a civilian in
ruff and fur-lined gown, and his wife in calash and embroidered
petticoat; there are groups of 4 sons, two of them in cloaks, and 8
daughters, five of them in hats, shield, and mantling, and inscription
to John Knapp, merchant and portman, 1604, and Martha his wife.
The inscription on the brass itself reads:
HERE LYETH THE BODY OF IOHN KNAPP MARCHAT
AND PORTMAN OF THIS TOWNE OF IPSWICH WHO
DYED YE SECOND DAY OF MAYE ANNO 1604 AND HAD
ISSVE BY MARTHA HIS WIFE 4 SONES & 8 DAVGHTERS
The Knapp coat of arms above the brass has "three close helmets above a
lion passant".
By John's will, the beneficiaries included:
Martha his wife -- (house in occupation of testator, & houses, yards,
gardens, etc. in St. Peter's Ipswich, and after Martha's death this
passes to daughter Mary and her husband John Randes; also tenement in
occupation of Robert Barwicke, in St. Mary Key [viz St. Mary-at-Quay,
Ipswich], and after Martha's death this passes to son Thomas; also
lands & houses in Stoke next Ipswich, free & copyhold, and after
Martha's death this passes to son John; also house & lands called
"Parnells" in Ipswich, Kesgrave, Rushmere & Playford, and this passes
to son Thomas when he is 21; also rent from rent charge purchased of
Robert Sampson, esqr, at Netherhall, in Harsteed, Suffolk. [Query
Harkstead];
- Mary, his daughter, and her husband John Randes -- (part occupation
of house bequested to Martha by testator, & houses, yards, gardens,
etc. in St. Peter's Ipswich)
- Marye, daughter -- (an additional £100);
- Elizabeth, daughter -- (£300; also house, purchased on John &
Richard Smith, in Stowe Markett, Suffolk);-
- Anne, daughter -- (£200; also house in S. Peter's Ipswich bought of
Edmond Harrold);
- Judith, Dorcas and Phebe, three youngest daughters -- (£200 apiece;
also after Martha's death, £100 from house bequested to Martha by
testator, & houses, yards, gardens, etc. in St. Peter's Ipswich);
- Thomas, son -- (lands in Battisford bought of brother, George Knappe;
also £100 when 21);
- John, son -- (£50 per annum from lands & houses in Stoke next
Ipswich during his mother's lifetime; also lands in Sproughton ("???
Hilles Farme") purchased of Edward Cage & Richard Alexander, gents.
10. [KNAP601] John (-) the younger's son, known as "John of
Stoke-juxta-Ipswich", married [HOWA601] Elizabeth Howard (-, see
HOWARD). They had seven children:
Elizabeth, died young, (before 1612);
Margaret (1608), married James Palmer of Widnesham, Nfk;
Martha (1611);
Edmund (c.1612), latterly a gentleman;
John (1613);
9. James, see later;
William, Clerk in Holy Orders M.A., married (at Bentley 1662)
Margaret daughter of John Tesdale.
John, a gentleman, received New Place in Stoke (1615). He immediately
conveyed this property to his brother-in-law James Palmer (December
1615). John was last noted at Kenninghall (Norfolk).
9. [KNAP611] James (-1678) and Mary (-) had four children at
Winfarthing:
James (1649);
8. Mary (December 1651), see later;
William (1660);
Charles (1666).
James (a gentleman) died intestate at Winfarthing (April 1678), and
Administration of his estate was granted to his wife Mary.
8. [KNAP621] Mary (1651-1720) married (bet.1685-88) John Woods
(1646-1703, see WOODS).
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Vickie Elam White
Re: A third Hubbard question
The 1630 date *is* in error, since the "Defense" arrived in Boston in
October 1635.
Vickie Elam White
""Richard Smyth at UNC-CH"" <smyth@email.unc.edu> wrote in message
news:000c01c66c4b$292efc90$020010ac@pierce...
October 1635.
Vickie Elam White
""Richard Smyth at UNC-CH"" <smyth@email.unc.edu> wrote in message
news:000c01c66c4b$292efc90$020010ac@pierce...
Douglas:
Thank you for that information, which must refer to William Hubbard's
first
wife. Everyone seems to agree that Judith Knapp was not his first wife.
She was 25 in 1630 and some of his children were over twenty. (Savage
did
speculate that the 1630 date might be an error, but I don't think anyone
has
bought that.)
Speaking of errors, I was mistaken in what I posted about a possible name
of
William Hubbard's father. I will scan the Little Clacton parish record
entry and post it as an attachment for anyone who is interested.
Regards,
Richard Smyth
smyth@nc.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: A third Hubbard question
Dear Richard ~
I have a third Hubbard question. Boyd's Marriage Index shows the
following marriage for William and Judith Hubbard:
1609 Hubbard, William & Judith Hawes Lawford, Essex
Where is Judith Knapp?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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Vickie Elam White
Re: A third Hubbard question
I have wondered this myself. The Hubbards were listed thusly:
Came to America aboard the "Defense" -
William Hubbard, husb[andman], 40
Judith Hubbard, 25
John Hubbard, 15
William Hubbard, 13
Wm. Read, 48
Mabell Read, 30
George Read, 6
Ralph Read, 5
Justice Read, 18 mo.
Dorothie Knight, 30
Nathaniel Hubbard, 6
Richard Hubbard, 4
Martha Hubbard, 22
Mary Hubbard, 20
Why? I have found, when people with the same surname are separated on
passenger lists, there is usually a reason.
Vickie Elam White
"John Brandon" <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1146434428.999862.79220@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Came to America aboard the "Defense" -
William Hubbard, husb[andman], 40
Judith Hubbard, 25
John Hubbard, 15
William Hubbard, 13
Wm. Read, 48
Mabell Read, 30
George Read, 6
Ralph Read, 5
Justice Read, 18 mo.
Dorothie Knight, 30
Nathaniel Hubbard, 6
Richard Hubbard, 4
Martha Hubbard, 22
Mary Hubbard, 20
Why? I have found, when people with the same surname are separated on
passenger lists, there is usually a reason.
Vickie Elam White
"John Brandon" <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1146434428.999862.79220@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Notice that the Great Migration sketch of the Hubbards states that
Judith's age on the passenger list could be wrong, and that she
could be the mother of all of William's children.
But was the Martha Hubbard, aged 22 in the passenger list, actually the
daughter of William? If he was 40, he'd only be 18 years older ...
-
Douglas Richardson
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children [Revised Post]
Dear Newsgroup ~
The noble John Brandon kindly posted today a weblink showing a
passenger list for the family of New World immigrant, William Hubbard.
According to that information, William Hubbard, husbandman, aged 40,
immigrated to New England in 1635 on the ship, Defense, and was
accompanied by seven members of his family, Judith, aged 25, Martha,
aged 22, Mary, aged 20, John, aged 15, William, aged 13, Nathaniel,
aged 6, and Richard, aged 4. Coincidentally, on board the same ship,
were my own ancestors, William and Mabel Read, of Newcastle-upon-Tyne,
and their three children.
It appears to be commonly accepted that Judith Hubbard, aged 25, was
William Hubbard's wife, but my feeling is that this was actually his
eldest daughter. Whatever the case, if William Hubbard's wife was the
same person as Judith, daughter of John Knapp, of Ipswich, Suffolk as
believed by Gary Boyd Roberts, then we know for certainty that this
couple were married sometime before 1612, which is indicated by the
Knapp pedigree recorded in the published 1612 Visitation of Suffolk.
Thus, all of the children under aged 23 in 1635 would necessarily be
the issue of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard. Since Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's
mother was named Martha, it would seem likely that the child, Martha,
aged 22 in 1635, was her child and named for her mother. If so, we
might suppose that all of the children belong to Judith (Knapp)
Hubbard.
In the pedigree of the Knapp family found in Candler's Suffolk & Essex
Pedigrees, Volume II, page 317, specific detailed particulars are given
about the children of John Knapp, of St. Peter's, Ipswich, Suffolk, and
his wife, Martha Bloyse. Among the comments made there, it is stated
that John Knapp's daughter, Judith Knapp, married William "Hobert," and
that she had two children, an unnamed daughter who "married Mr. Knight
Minister of St. Matthewes parish in Ipswich," and a son, William, who
"married Mary daughter of Nathaniel Rogers."
As for the identity of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's son-in-law, this is
easily discovered by checking the published list of Cambridge alumnae
by Venn and Venn as suggested by Mr. Brandon. This source gives the
following information regarding the minister, William Knight, who was
presented to St. Matthew's, Ipswich, in 1655, and also information
regarding William Knight's son, William the younger, born about 1639,
and his grandson, William III, baptized 1677:
"William Knight. Admitted pens. at Emanuel, Jan. 31, 1626/7; 1st son
of William [Knight] of St. Olave, Southwark, and Elizabeth, widow of
Rev. Thomas Stoughton (1576-7). Matriculated 1626-7; B.A., 1630-1;
M.A., 1634. Went to New England, 1637, where he settled at Ipswich,
Mass., and was for some years a preacher. Returned to England, 1643,
with his half-brother, Col. Israel Stoughton. Presented by Oliver
Cromwell to St. Matthew's, Ipswich, July 31, 1655. Curate of St.
Mary-at-Elms [Ipswich]. Afterwards conformed. Ordained priest (Bishop
Brownrigg, of Exeter), Aug. 8, 1659, and held his livings till his
death. Buried at St. Mary-at-Elms [Ipswich], Jan. 6, 1694-5. Father
of the next. (Felt, 281; J.G. Bartlett)."
"William Knight. Admitted sizar (aged 17) at Pembroke, April 18, 1656.
Son of William (above), from New England. B.A., 1659; M.A., 1665.
Vicar of Bastwood, Essex, 1668-73. Vicar of Stotfold, Bedfordshire,
1676-81. Father of next."
"William Knight. Admitted at Corpus Christi, 1695. Of Bedfordshire.
Son of William (above). Baptized at Stotfold, Nov. 4, 1677.
Matriculated 1695; B.A., 1698-9." [Reference: Venn & Venn, Alumni
Cantabrigienses, Part I, Volume III (1924): 30].
Given that the first William Knight (born say 1611) was only in New
England between 1637 and 1643; and given that his son, William the
younger, was born about 1639, evidently in New England, it seems likely
to me that the elder William Knight probably married a daughter of
Judith (Knapp) Hubbard in New England in the period, 1637-1639, after
both the Hubbard and Knight families immigrated to New England. This
assumes, of course, that the William Knight's wife was a child of the
William Hubbard who immigrated in 1635 on the ship, Defense.
Past experience with ship passenger lists has found that the ages cited
in them can vary considerably from the actual ages of the individuals
who crossed the Atlantic. As such, it is entirely possible that
William Hubbard is the individual who married in 1609, at Lawford,
Essex to Judith Hawes, and that all the above children who appear on
the ship list in 1635 belong to this marriage. It is also possible
that Judith Hawes is the same person as Judith (Knapp) Hubbard, if
Judith Knapp can be shown to have had an earlier marriage to someone
named Hawes. It is also possible that William Hubbard's wife,
Judith, accompanied her husband on the ship, the Defense, and that her
name was left off the list of passengers.
The next logical step it seems would be to examine the parish registers
of Lawford, Essex for the marriage record of William Hubbard and Judith
Hawes, and also for the baptisms of any Hawes or Hubbard children. For
now, many questions remain unanswered.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
The noble John Brandon kindly posted today a weblink showing a
passenger list for the family of New World immigrant, William Hubbard.
According to that information, William Hubbard, husbandman, aged 40,
immigrated to New England in 1635 on the ship, Defense, and was
accompanied by seven members of his family, Judith, aged 25, Martha,
aged 22, Mary, aged 20, John, aged 15, William, aged 13, Nathaniel,
aged 6, and Richard, aged 4. Coincidentally, on board the same ship,
were my own ancestors, William and Mabel Read, of Newcastle-upon-Tyne,
and their three children.
It appears to be commonly accepted that Judith Hubbard, aged 25, was
William Hubbard's wife, but my feeling is that this was actually his
eldest daughter. Whatever the case, if William Hubbard's wife was the
same person as Judith, daughter of John Knapp, of Ipswich, Suffolk as
believed by Gary Boyd Roberts, then we know for certainty that this
couple were married sometime before 1612, which is indicated by the
Knapp pedigree recorded in the published 1612 Visitation of Suffolk.
Thus, all of the children under aged 23 in 1635 would necessarily be
the issue of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard. Since Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's
mother was named Martha, it would seem likely that the child, Martha,
aged 22 in 1635, was her child and named for her mother. If so, we
might suppose that all of the children belong to Judith (Knapp)
Hubbard.
In the pedigree of the Knapp family found in Candler's Suffolk & Essex
Pedigrees, Volume II, page 317, specific detailed particulars are given
about the children of John Knapp, of St. Peter's, Ipswich, Suffolk, and
his wife, Martha Bloyse. Among the comments made there, it is stated
that John Knapp's daughter, Judith Knapp, married William "Hobert," and
that she had two children, an unnamed daughter who "married Mr. Knight
Minister of St. Matthewes parish in Ipswich," and a son, William, who
"married Mary daughter of Nathaniel Rogers."
As for the identity of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's son-in-law, this is
easily discovered by checking the published list of Cambridge alumnae
by Venn and Venn as suggested by Mr. Brandon. This source gives the
following information regarding the minister, William Knight, who was
presented to St. Matthew's, Ipswich, in 1655, and also information
regarding William Knight's son, William the younger, born about 1639,
and his grandson, William III, baptized 1677:
"William Knight. Admitted pens. at Emanuel, Jan. 31, 1626/7; 1st son
of William [Knight] of St. Olave, Southwark, and Elizabeth, widow of
Rev. Thomas Stoughton (1576-7). Matriculated 1626-7; B.A., 1630-1;
M.A., 1634. Went to New England, 1637, where he settled at Ipswich,
Mass., and was for some years a preacher. Returned to England, 1643,
with his half-brother, Col. Israel Stoughton. Presented by Oliver
Cromwell to St. Matthew's, Ipswich, July 31, 1655. Curate of St.
Mary-at-Elms [Ipswich]. Afterwards conformed. Ordained priest (Bishop
Brownrigg, of Exeter), Aug. 8, 1659, and held his livings till his
death. Buried at St. Mary-at-Elms [Ipswich], Jan. 6, 1694-5. Father
of the next. (Felt, 281; J.G. Bartlett)."
"William Knight. Admitted sizar (aged 17) at Pembroke, April 18, 1656.
Son of William (above), from New England. B.A., 1659; M.A., 1665.
Vicar of Bastwood, Essex, 1668-73. Vicar of Stotfold, Bedfordshire,
1676-81. Father of next."
"William Knight. Admitted at Corpus Christi, 1695. Of Bedfordshire.
Son of William (above). Baptized at Stotfold, Nov. 4, 1677.
Matriculated 1695; B.A., 1698-9." [Reference: Venn & Venn, Alumni
Cantabrigienses, Part I, Volume III (1924): 30].
Given that the first William Knight (born say 1611) was only in New
England between 1637 and 1643; and given that his son, William the
younger, was born about 1639, evidently in New England, it seems likely
to me that the elder William Knight probably married a daughter of
Judith (Knapp) Hubbard in New England in the period, 1637-1639, after
both the Hubbard and Knight families immigrated to New England. This
assumes, of course, that the William Knight's wife was a child of the
William Hubbard who immigrated in 1635 on the ship, Defense.
Past experience with ship passenger lists has found that the ages cited
in them can vary considerably from the actual ages of the individuals
who crossed the Atlantic. As such, it is entirely possible that
William Hubbard is the individual who married in 1609, at Lawford,
Essex to Judith Hawes, and that all the above children who appear on
the ship list in 1635 belong to this marriage. It is also possible
that Judith Hawes is the same person as Judith (Knapp) Hubbard, if
Judith Knapp can be shown to have had an earlier marriage to someone
named Hawes. It is also possible that William Hubbard's wife,
Judith, accompanied her husband on the ship, the Defense, and that her
name was left off the list of passengers.
The next logical step it seems would be to examine the parish registers
of Lawford, Essex for the marriage record of William Hubbard and Judith
Hawes, and also for the baptisms of any Hawes or Hubbard children. For
now, many questions remain unanswered.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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Douglas Richardson
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
Dear Newsgroup ~
Below is a weblink to another reference to the monumental brass of
Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's father, John Knapp, of St. Peter's, Ipswich,
died 1604:
http://books.google.com/books?vid=0-o05 ... ich&pgis=1
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
Below is a weblink to another reference to the monumental brass of
Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's father, John Knapp, of St. Peter's, Ipswich,
died 1604:
http://books.google.com/books?vid=0-o05 ... ich&pgis=1
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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Douglas Richardson
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
Dear Newsgroup ~
This appears to be yet another reference to the monumental brass of
John Knapp, of St. Peter's, Ipswich, who died in 1604:
http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN0 ... pp+Ipswich
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
This appears to be yet another reference to the monumental brass of
John Knapp, of St. Peter's, Ipswich, who died in 1604:
http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN0 ... pp+Ipswich
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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Douglas Richardson
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children [Revised Post]
Dear Newsgroup ~
Pope's Pioneers of Massachusetts, page 245, gives the following brief
abstract of the will of the immigrant, William Hubbard:
"He made will 8 June 1670, probated 19 August 1670; bequeathed to son
William lands at Tendring Hundred, Eng. and at Ipswich, N.E.; referred
to lands already given to sons Richard and William; gave more to the
latter." END OF QUOTE.
As we can see from this will abstract, William Hubbard owned land in
Tendring Hundred in Essex at the time he made his will. Checking
various online sources, it appears that both Lawford and Little
Clacton, Essex lie in Tendring Hundred:
http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/bound_map_page.do
http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi? ... ale=100000
http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi? ... ale=200000
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
Pope's Pioneers of Massachusetts, page 245, gives the following brief
abstract of the will of the immigrant, William Hubbard:
"He made will 8 June 1670, probated 19 August 1670; bequeathed to son
William lands at Tendring Hundred, Eng. and at Ipswich, N.E.; referred
to lands already given to sons Richard and William; gave more to the
latter." END OF QUOTE.
As we can see from this will abstract, William Hubbard owned land in
Tendring Hundred in Essex at the time he made his will. Checking
various online sources, it appears that both Lawford and Little
Clacton, Essex lie in Tendring Hundred:
http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/bound_map_page.do
http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi? ... ale=100000
http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi? ... ale=200000
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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Douglas Richardson
Re: A third Hubbard question
Dear Vickie ~
Thank you for your good post. Much appreciated.
This past week Richard Smyth posted that William Hubbard was aged 40 in
1630, which was his age on the ship list for the Defence. I assumed
without checking that the ship Defense sailed in 1630. However, you
are correct that it actually sailed in 1635. Thus, William Hubbard was
aged 40 in 1635, not 1630. I've revised my post to indicate the
correct date of passage.
The ship Defense is important to my own family history. I descend from
William and Mabel Reade, who sailed on this ship with their three young
children, as well as Robert Longe, of Dunstable, Bedfordshire, who was
accompanied by his wife, Elizabeth, and their large brood of children.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
Thank you for your good post. Much appreciated.
This past week Richard Smyth posted that William Hubbard was aged 40 in
1630, which was his age on the ship list for the Defence. I assumed
without checking that the ship Defense sailed in 1630. However, you
are correct that it actually sailed in 1635. Thus, William Hubbard was
aged 40 in 1635, not 1630. I've revised my post to indicate the
correct date of passage.
The ship Defense is important to my own family history. I descend from
William and Mabel Reade, who sailed on this ship with their three young
children, as well as Robert Longe, of Dunstable, Bedfordshire, who was
accompanied by his wife, Elizabeth, and their large brood of children.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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Douglas Richardson
Re: A third Hubbard question
Dear Vickie ~
Thank you for your good post. Much appreciated.
This past week Richard Smyth posted that William Hubbard was aged 40 in
1630, which was his age on the ship list for the Defence. I assumed
without checking that the ship Defense sailed in 1630. However, you
are correct that it actually sailed in 1635. Thus, William Hubbard was
aged 40 in 1635, not 1630. I've revised my post to indicate the
correct date of passage.
The ship Defense is important to my own family history. I descend from
William and Mabel Reade, who sailed on this ship with their three young
children, as well as Robert Longe, of Dunstable, Bedfordshire, who was
accompanied by his wife, Elizabeth, and their large brood of children.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
Thank you for your good post. Much appreciated.
This past week Richard Smyth posted that William Hubbard was aged 40 in
1630, which was his age on the ship list for the Defence. I assumed
without checking that the ship Defense sailed in 1630. However, you
are correct that it actually sailed in 1635. Thus, William Hubbard was
aged 40 in 1635, not 1630. I've revised my post to indicate the
correct date of passage.
The ship Defense is important to my own family history. I descend from
William and Mabel Reade, who sailed on this ship with their three young
children, as well as Robert Longe, of Dunstable, Bedfordshire, who was
accompanied by his wife, Elizabeth, and their large brood of children.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
-
Gjest
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children [Revised Post]
Douglas Richardson schrieb:
Dear Douglas, although it is of course very easy to confuse me with the
"noble Mr Brandon", it was I who recommended checking Venn. Please
note that his work details alumni of Cambridge, as no alumna graduated
during the period he covers.
Regards
Michael
As for the identity of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's son-in-law, this is
easily discovered by checking the published list of Cambridge alumnae
by Venn and Venn as suggested by Mr. Brandon.
Dear Douglas, although it is of course very easy to confuse me with the
"noble Mr Brandon", it was I who recommended checking Venn. Please
note that his work details alumni of Cambridge, as no alumna graduated
during the period he covers.
Regards
Michael
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Gjest
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children [Revised Post]
Many thanks for checking further on this.
Notice that the parish registers of Lawford are not available at the
FHL in Utah.
When I submitted this lineage to Gary's RD600 book, I was unable to
find a record of the marriage of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard, and I couldnt
find the baptisms of her children.
Leslie
Notice that the parish registers of Lawford are not available at the
FHL in Utah.
When I submitted this lineage to Gary's RD600 book, I was unable to
find a record of the marriage of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard, and I couldnt
find the baptisms of her children.
Leslie
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John Brandon
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children [Revised Post]
Good work, noble Douglas.
It certainly cuts down on the number of errors if we assume that only
William's age is listed wrong in the passenger list (perhaps 45 or 50,
rather than 40), and that all the others (Judith [age 25], Martha [age
22], Mary [age 20], etc. etc.) were his children.
Very interesting that the Knight family they married into was closely
related to Stoughtons (which is a very prominent New England family).
I think this makes it more likely that Judith Knapp was wife of a
William Hubbard connected with New England.
It certainly cuts down on the number of errors if we assume that only
William's age is listed wrong in the passenger list (perhaps 45 or 50,
rather than 40), and that all the others (Judith [age 25], Martha [age
22], Mary [age 20], etc. etc.) were his children.
Very interesting that the Knight family they married into was closely
related to Stoughtons (which is a very prominent New England family).
I think this makes it more likely that Judith Knapp was wife of a
William Hubbard connected with New England.
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John Brandon
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children [Revised Post]
Dear Douglas, although it is of course very easy to confuse me with the
"noble Mr Brandon", it was I who recommended checking Venn. Please
note that his work details alumni of Cambridge, as no alumna graduated
during the period he covers.
Is it necessary to be always the pedantic stickler even in threads in
which you take little interest?
-
Gjest
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children [Revised Post]
John Brandon wrote:
Yawn. Is it necessary for you to toss your tiresome bilge in every
five minutes? It may have escaped your inattentive eye, but far from
taking little interest, I have contributed a number of items to this
thread.
It is sad that you categorise a desire for accuracy as "being a
pedantic stickler", John; you must have alarmingly low standards of
scholarship. There's no shame in making errors - I made one the other
day, referring to a deforciant as a defendant - but I assume that, as a
professional genealogist, Douglas would be concerned about citing
correct sources and getting his information right.
Dear Douglas, although it is of course very easy to confuse me with the
"noble Mr Brandon", it was I who recommended checking Venn. Please
note that his work details alumni of Cambridge, as no alumna graduated
during the period he covers.
Is it necessary to be always the pedantic stickler even in threads in
which you take little interest?
Yawn. Is it necessary for you to toss your tiresome bilge in every
five minutes? It may have escaped your inattentive eye, but far from
taking little interest, I have contributed a number of items to this
thread.
It is sad that you categorise a desire for accuracy as "being a
pedantic stickler", John; you must have alarmingly low standards of
scholarship. There's no shame in making errors - I made one the other
day, referring to a deforciant as a defendant - but I assume that, as a
professional genealogist, Douglas would be concerned about citing
correct sources and getting his information right.
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John Brandon
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children [Revised Post]
Yawn. Is it necessary for you to toss your tiresome bilge in every
five minutes? It may have escaped your inattentive eye, but far from
taking little interest, I have contributed a number of items to this
thread.
Yawn right back at you. You have contributed nothing of any great
value to this thread.
Everybody realizes that there was a little slip made in Doug's
spelling, and everybody knows women were not admitted to Cambridge in
this time period.
-
Gjest
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children [Revised Post]
John Brandon wrote:
Dear John
It is not necessary to be abusive, or misrepresent another poster's
statements. If you have a personal ax to grind (which you seem to do),
I recommend you take it to private. The newsgroup is for medieval
genealogy, and to make friends.
Best wishes, Michael
Yawn right back at you. You have contributed nothing of any great
value to this thread.
Everybody realizes that there was a little slip made in Doug's
spelling, and everybody knows women were not admitted to Cambridge in
this time period.
Dear John
It is not necessary to be abusive, or misrepresent another poster's
statements. If you have a personal ax to grind (which you seem to do),
I recommend you take it to private. The newsgroup is for medieval
genealogy, and to make friends.
Best wishes, Michael
-
Richard Smyth at Road Run
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children [Revised Post]
I will add my thanks. I think the1612 date of the Suffolk Visitation, which
Douglas posted, is strong evidence, when coupled with the Candler pedigree.
The latter definitely associates this couple with the New England William
Hubbard.
This entirely reverses the probabilities for me. The identity of the mother
of most of William Hubbard's children appears more certain than William's
age (and hence, more certain than his identity.)
My 4th query was also predicated on an error. The Hubbards of Little
Clacton seem to have been residents at Boville Hall.
Regards,
Richard Smyth
smyth@nc.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <lmahler@att.net>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children [Revised Post]
Douglas posted, is strong evidence, when coupled with the Candler pedigree.
The latter definitely associates this couple with the New England William
Hubbard.
This entirely reverses the probabilities for me. The identity of the mother
of most of William Hubbard's children appears more certain than William's
age (and hence, more certain than his identity.)
My 4th query was also predicated on an error. The Hubbards of Little
Clacton seem to have been residents at Boville Hall.
Regards,
Richard Smyth
smyth@nc.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <lmahler@att.net>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children [Revised Post]
Many thanks for checking further on this.
Notice that the parish registers of Lawford are not available at the
FHL in Utah.
When I submitted this lineage to Gary's RD600 book, I was unable to
find a record of the marriage of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard, and I couldnt
find the baptisms of her children.
Leslie
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John Brandon
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children [Revised Post]
Tee hee, what a marvelous sense of humor you have ...
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Gjest
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children [Revised Post]
John Brandon schrieb:
Thanks!
Tee hee, what a marvelous sense of humor you have ...
Thanks!
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Douglas Richardson
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children [Revised Post]
Dear Michael and John ~
Special thanks go to both of you for your contributions in this thread,
also thanks to Richard, Leslie, and Vickie. Hats off to all of you.
You're all noble.
As Michael says, the newsgroup is about medieval genealogy and making
friends. When we're dealing with a complex problem like Judith (Knapp)
Hubbard, everyone's contributions are important. I very much
appreciate the interest all of you have shown in this thread.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
Special thanks go to both of you for your contributions in this thread,
also thanks to Richard, Leslie, and Vickie. Hats off to all of you.
You're all noble.
As Michael says, the newsgroup is about medieval genealogy and making
friends. When we're dealing with a complex problem like Judith (Knapp)
Hubbard, everyone's contributions are important. I very much
appreciate the interest all of you have shown in this thread.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
John Brandon wrote:
Yawn right back at you. You have contributed nothing of any great
value to this thread.
Everybody realizes that there was a little slip made in Doug's
spelling, and everybody knows women were not admitted to Cambridge in
this time period.
Dear John
It is not necessary to be abusive, or misrepresent another poster's
statements. If you have a personal ax to grind (which you seem to do),
I recommend you take it to private. The newsgroup is for medieval
genealogy, and to make friends.
Best wishes, Michael
-
Vickie Elam White
Re: A third Hubbard question
John,
Evidently, per pg. 490 of that reference, there seem to be many errors in
this manuscript.
I looked at William Hubbard's sketch in Great Migration Begins, 1634-1635.
There is no mention of a daughter of his marrying a Knight. However, the
daughter who supposedly married a Knight was called a daughter of Judith
Knapp's, not "their daughter". That may or may not be significant. But
wasn't
the info on this daughter written ca 1660? Enough time would have elapsed
to muddle memories about her parentage, perhaps.
There *was* a Dorothy Knight, age 30, traveling on the "Defense", though.
Who was she?
And a final question - at least a few of the passengers on the "Defense"
were
traveling under assumed names (such as Rev. Shepherd) and/or incorrect ages
so they'd be able to leave England undetected or maybe because they didn't
have the proper authorizations. Could this be the case with William Hubbard
and his group?
Vickie Elam White
"John Brandon" <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1146422683.120793.272120@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Evidently, per pg. 490 of that reference, there seem to be many errors in
this manuscript.
I looked at William Hubbard's sketch in Great Migration Begins, 1634-1635.
There is no mention of a daughter of his marrying a Knight. However, the
daughter who supposedly married a Knight was called a daughter of Judith
Knapp's, not "their daughter". That may or may not be significant. But
wasn't
the info on this daughter written ca 1660? Enough time would have elapsed
to muddle memories about her parentage, perhaps.
There *was* a Dorothy Knight, age 30, traveling on the "Defense", though.
Who was she?
And a final question - at least a few of the passengers on the "Defense"
were
traveling under assumed names (such as Rev. Shepherd) and/or incorrect ages
so they'd be able to leave England undetected or maybe because they didn't
have the proper authorizations. Could this be the case with William Hubbard
and his group?
Vickie Elam White
"John Brandon" <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1146422683.120793.272120@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Remember this reference ...
http://books.google.com/books?vid=0-7A5 ... ler+rogers
which states that "a daughter of hers [Judith Knapp Hubbard] married
Mr. Knight, minister of St. Matthew's parish in Ipswich." I don't
believe there was a St. Matthew's parish in Ipswich, Massachusetts, so
this must be OLD Ipswich.
Furthermore, I don't see any daughter of Hubbard's marrying a Knight in
Savage's _Dictionary_. See
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/newen ... d-huff.htm
. Does anyone have the relevant Great Migration volume handy?
I'm wondering if the wife of Rev. Knight wasn't a sister of William
Hubbard of New England, and if Judith Knapp Hubbard wasn't his mother,
rather than his wife --
-
Vickie Elam White
Re: A third Hubbard question
Leslie,
That same sketch says that William was age 50, not 40. Supposedly
the source for this is Hotten 106-7 (I don't have access to this, do you?)
but I had read in other messages that both Coldham and Banks say he
was 40. What say you?
Vickie Elam White
<lmahler@att.net> wrote in message
news:1146431879.598158.116610@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
That same sketch says that William was age 50, not 40. Supposedly
the source for this is Hotten 106-7 (I don't have access to this, do you?)
but I had read in other messages that both Coldham and Banks say he
was 40. What say you?
Vickie Elam White
<lmahler@att.net> wrote in message
news:1146431879.598158.116610@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
I dont know if Im really some great authority.
I am familiar with a great number of New England colonists,
so occasionally, Im able to make some new discoveries.
Notice that the Great Migration sketch of the Hubbards states that
Judith's age on the passenger list could be wrong, and that she
could be the mother of all of William's children.
Perhaps we should let Doug take over, since he can
'solve the unsolvable', and he is supposedly a trained researcher /
historian.
Leslie
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Douglas Richardson
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
Dear Newsgroup ~
Below is a weblink to a map of medieval Ipswich, Suffolk where John
Knapp (died 1604), the father of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard, resided. John
Knapp is stated to have resided in Stoke, a suburb of Ipswich. The map
referenced below indicates that Stoke is located across a bridge over
the River Orwell from Ipswich. Stoke was evidently served by St.
Peter's Parish, Ipswich, which is the church in which John Knapp was
buried.
http://www.trytel.com/~tristan/towns/ipswmap1.html
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
Below is a weblink to a map of medieval Ipswich, Suffolk where John
Knapp (died 1604), the father of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard, resided. John
Knapp is stated to have resided in Stoke, a suburb of Ipswich. The map
referenced below indicates that Stoke is located across a bridge over
the River Orwell from Ipswich. Stoke was evidently served by St.
Peter's Parish, Ipswich, which is the church in which John Knapp was
buried.
http://www.trytel.com/~tristan/towns/ipswmap1.html
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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Douglas Richardson
Re: A third Hubbard question
Dear Vickie ~
Besides overlooking the Hubbard daughter who married Rev. William
Knight, I assume the Great Migration Begins also treated William
Hubbard's daughter, Judith, aged 25, as William Hubbard's wife. Is
that right?
As best I can tell, Judith Hubbard, aged 25, is in fact the Hubbard
daughter who married Rev. William Knight, as I believe the other two
daughters, Martha and Mary, both have contrary histories. Again, is
that right?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
Besides overlooking the Hubbard daughter who married Rev. William
Knight, I assume the Great Migration Begins also treated William
Hubbard's daughter, Judith, aged 25, as William Hubbard's wife. Is
that right?
As best I can tell, Judith Hubbard, aged 25, is in fact the Hubbard
daughter who married Rev. William Knight, as I believe the other two
daughters, Martha and Mary, both have contrary histories. Again, is
that right?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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Douglas Richardson
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
Dear Newsgroup ~
The will of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's father, John Knapp, merchant, of
Ipswich, Suffolk, was proved in 1604 in the Prerogative Court of
Canterbury (Reference: PCC, 54 Harte). A copy of this will can be
ordered online from the National Archives at the following weblink:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/docu ... Score+desc
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
The will of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's father, John Knapp, merchant, of
Ipswich, Suffolk, was proved in 1604 in the Prerogative Court of
Canterbury (Reference: PCC, 54 Harte). A copy of this will can be
ordered online from the National Archives at the following weblink:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/docu ... Score+desc
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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Douglas Richardson
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
Dear Newsgroup ~
The following weblink provides some interesting background information
regarding the parish of St. Peter's, Ipswich, Suffolk, in which church
Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's father, John Knapp, is buried.
http://www.crsbi.ac.uk/ed/sf/ipstp/index.htm
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
The following weblink provides some interesting background information
regarding the parish of St. Peter's, Ipswich, Suffolk, in which church
Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's father, John Knapp, is buried.
http://www.crsbi.ac.uk/ed/sf/ipstp/index.htm
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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Vickie Elam White
Re: A third Hubbard question
Douglas,
Below is the sketch for William Hubbard found in The Great Migration Begins,
1634-1635, Vol. 3, G-H:
ORIGIN: Unknown (but see COMMENTS below).
MIGRATION: 1635 on the Defence (on 18 July 1635, "W[illia]m Hubbard,"
husbandman, aged 50, "Judith Hubbard," aged 25, "John Hubbard," aged 15,
"W[illia]m Hubbard," aged 13, "Nathaniel Hubbard," aged 6, "Richard
Hubbard," aged 4, "Martha Hubbard," aged 22, and "Mary Hubbard," aged 20,
were enrolled at London as passengers for New England on the Defence [Hotten
106-7]).
FIRST RESIDENCE: Ipswich.
REMOVES: Boston by 1662 [ILR 3:93].
OCCUPATION: Magistrate.
CHURCH MEMBERSHIP: Admission to Ipswich church prior to 2 May 1638 implied
by freemanship.
FREEMAN: 2 May 1638 (as "Mr. William Hubberd," first in a sequence of six
Ipswich men) [MBCR 1:374].
OFFICES: Deputy for Ipswich to Massachusetts Bay General Court, 6 September
1638, 22 May 1639, 10 May 1643, 7 March 1643/4, 29 May 1644, 14 May 1645, 12
August 1645, 2 October 1645, 6 May 1646, 14 May 1656, 6 May 1657, 19 May
1658, 30 May 1660 [MBCR 1:236, 256, 2:33, 55, 66, 96, 146, 3:1, 9, 39, 44,
62, 422, 4:1:255, 286, 321, 416].
Massachusetts Bay committee on wages and prices, 12 March 1637/8 [MBCR
1:223]. Committee on colony rate, 6 September 1638 [MBCR 1:242]. Committee
on bounds between Salem and Ipswich, 27 March 1643 [MBCR 2:36]. Committee to
"consider of & examine the bill about judicial proceedings sent from the
magistrates," 31 May 1644 [MBCR 3:4]. Committee to "consider of the best
ways and means to destroy the wolves," 14 May 1645 [MBCR 3:10]. Committee to
"enquire into the state of ministers' widow's & children," 6 May 1657 [MBCR
3:423-24, 4:1:286].
Essex judge, 8 June 1638, 6 June 1639, 13 May 1640, 2 June 1641, 28
[December] 1641, 29 May 1644, [blank] March 1647/8, 27 September 1653, 28
March 1654, 26 September 1654, 28 November 1654, 27 March 1655, 26 June
1655, 25 September 1655, 27 November 1655, 25 March 1656, 30 September 1656,
25 November 1656, 31 March 1657, 29 September 1657, 30 March 1658, 29 June
1658, 20 July 1658, 28 September 1658, 29 March 1659, 27 September 1659, 25
September 1660 [MBCR 1:232, 261, 290, 328, 2:68, 227; EQC 1:37, 289, 328,
362, 372, 381, 387, 390, 396, 408, 414, 2:1, 6, 11, 51, 61, 71, 106, 111,
138, 168, 225].
On 24 October 1651, "[a]t the request of Mr. Phillips, of Rowley, it is
ordered, that Mr. W[illia]m Hubbard Senior, of Ipswich, shall be, & is
hereby, empowered to marry the said Mr. Phillips, who hath been thrice
published, as the law requires" [MBCR 3:249, 4:1:72, 244].
EDUCATION: Sufficient to be appointed magistrate and deputy. Signed his deed
and will.
ESTATE: In October 1635 the town of Ipswich granted to Thomas Dudley "one
parcel of ground containing about nine acres . upon parcel of which nine
acres, Mr. Dudley hath built an house ., also . twenty-five acres late
Goodman Mussey's ., and a lot late Goodman Cross, now Mr. Saltonstall's,
also a ten-acre lot in the reedy marsh, also one hundred acres of meadow and
one hundred acres of upland"; this was annotated "all which premises .
Thomas Dudley Esq. hath sold to Mr. Hubbard" [ITR].
On 6 September 1638, Massachusetts Bay General Court granted 300 acres of
land to "Mr. Willi[am] Hubberd" [MBCR 1:240].
On 31 May 1652, in "answer to the petition of Mr. W[illia]m Hubbard, of
Ipswich, it is ordered, that he shall have (in consideration of money
formerly disbursed for public use) five hundred acres of land, to be laid
out by Joseph Jewet & Joh[n] Gage, of Ipswich, on the north side of the
bounds of Haverhill, & within two miles of their outmost line" [MBCR 3:275,
4:1:90]. On 14 October 1656, "Mr. W[illia]m Hubbard having long since
disbursed £50 for public use in England, for which he had land formerly
granted him upon the bounds of Hav[er]ell, but being disappointed thereof,
upon his petition, & relinquishing of his former grant, this Court thinks
meet to grant him one thousand acres of land in any place or places that he
can find lying out of any former grants or townships beyond Exeter River,
towards the east or northeast" [MBCR 3:420, 4:1:283].
On 28 April 1657, the Court entered a report of the laying out of land "to
Mr. W[illia]m Hubbard, of Ipswich, Senior, 1000 acres of land in any place
or places beyond Exeter River, . viz: upon the north side of Inochecha [sic]
River, about 8 or 9 miles from the mills, as we judge, the number of 890
acres in a pine swamp . & the remainder of the 1000 acres laid out in two
small parcels of land on both sides of the river, that on the north side
containing about 70 acres ., that parcel of land on the south side about
forty acres ., these two latter parcels lying about 3 or 4 miles from the
mills upon Inochecha [sic] River" [MBCR 3:435-36, 4:1:300-1]. On 20 May
1657, "Willi[am] Hubbard Senior of Ipswich ., gent., & Judeth his wife" sold
to "Capt. Thomas Wiggin of Quomscooke . all that parcel or parcels of land
granted them by a General Court held at Boston on the fifteenth day of
October in the year of our Lord one thousand six hundred fifty six
containing per estimation one thousand acres of land . upon the north side
of Quochecho River about eight or nine miles from the mills the number of
eight hundred & ninety acres in a pine swamp . and the remainder of the
thousand acres laid out in two several parcels of land on both sides the
river that on the north side containing about seventy acres . that parcel on
the south side about forty acres . these two latter parcels lying about
three or four miles from the mills upon Quochecho River all the said parcels
containing one thousand acres" [NLR 1:55].
On 24 June 1662, "W[illia]m Hubbard of Boston ., gent.," deeded to "Richard
Hubbard of Ipswich ., my son, all that my farm, lately in the tenure and
occupation of Daniel Ringe of Ipswich deceased, " in Ipswich, "together with
some parcels of land, on the southeast side of the Mile River, bounded as
before, formerly bought of John Tuttle, W[illia]m Bartholmew, Isack Comings,
and whatever other parcel on that side of the river to my said farm now
belonging . containing by estimation eight hundred acres" [ILR 3:93].
In his will, dated 8 June 1670 and proved 19 August 1670, "William Hubbard
Senior now of Boston" bequeathed to "my eldest son William Hubbard . all my
land in old England situate in Tendring Hundred both free & copyhold with
all the houses, buildings & appurtenances thereunto belonging . as likewise
my house & land at Ipswich . together with a parcel of meadow six acres .
purchased of my cousin John Brown ., all the arrears of the rents of my
lands which are or shall be due unto me at the time of my death from any
that do occupy the same either in old England or New England ., all the
remaining part of my farm at Ipswich not included in the deed of eight
hundred acres confirmed to my son Richard, viz: three hundred acres of
pasture & meadow on the south side of my said farm"; to "my son Nathaniel I
have already given a sufficient portion in my land at Dover Court &
otherwise"; to "my son Richard . that part of my farm containing eight
hundred acres part whereof lyeth on the easterly side of the river called
Mile Brook"; "my son William" to be sole executor and residuary legatee [SPR
7:76].
The inventory of the estate of "Mr. W[illiam] Hubbard lately deceased,"
presented 19 August 1670, was untotalled, and consisted of three items:
"wearing apparel," £20; "a parcel of land belonging to a farm at Ipswich
containing three hundred acres more or less," £150; and "debts by arrears of
rents uncertain" [SPR 7:77].
BIRTH: About 1585 (aged 50 on 18 July 1635 [Hotten 106-7], but see COMMENTS
below).
DEATH: Between 8 June 1670 (date of will) and 19 August 1670 (probate of
will).
MARRIAGE: (1) By about 1613 _____ _____.
(2) By about 1629 Judith _____. She was living on 28 May 1657 [NLR 1:55].
CHILDREN:
With first wife
i MARTHA HUBBARD, b. about 1613 (aged 22 on 18 July 1635 [Hotten
107]); m. (1) about 1638 JOHN WHITTINGHAM {1638, Ipswich} (in his will of
1648, "John Whittingham of Ipswich" made bequests to "my wife Martha," and
to three sons and three daughters, and made "my father-in-law Mr. William
Hubbard & my brother Samuel Haugh & Martha my wife executors" [EPR 1:103-5;
EQC 1:200, 235, 381]); m. (2) by 1652 SIMON EYRE {1635, Watertown} [GM
2:2:483-89].
ii MARY HUBBARD, b. about 1615 (aged 20 on 18 July 1635 [Hotten
107]); sailed for New England with family in 1635; no further record.
iii JOHN HUBBARD, b. about 1620 (aged 15 on 18 July 1635 [Hotten
107]); sailed for New England with family in 1635; no further record.
iv WILLIAM HUBBARD, b. about 1622 (aged 13 on 18 July 1635 [Hotten
107]); Harvard College 1642 [Sibley 1:54-62]; m. (1) by about 1650 Mary
Rogers, daughter of Rev. NATHANIEL ROGERS {1636, Ipswich} (in his will of 3
July 1655, "Mr. Nathaniel Rogers, pastor of the Church of Christ at
Ipswich," included a bequest to "my three grandchildren John, Nathaniel,
Margaret Hubbard" [EPR 1:222-23]); m. (2) 1694 Mary (Giddings) Pierce,
daughter of GEORGE GIDDINGS {1635, Ipswich} [GM 2:3:52-56] and widow of
Samuel Pierce. (This William Hubbard was the author of A General History of
New England from the Discovery to MDCLXXX, completed by 1682, but not
published until 1815.)
With second wife
v NATHANIEL HUBBARD, b. about 1629 (aged 6 on 18 July 1635 [Hotten
107]); m. by about 1668 (or earlier) _____ _____ (on 25 March 1672, he had
two daughters, Mary and Anne [SPR 7:224]).
vi RICHARD HUBBARD, b. about 1631 (aged 4 on 18 July 1635 [Hotten
107]); Harvard College 1653 [Sibley 1:342-43]; m. by about 1658 Sarah
Bradstreet, daughter of SIMON BRADSTREET {1630, Boston} [GMB 1:213].
vii MARGARET HUBBARD, b. say 1636; m. (1) by about 1656 Thomas
Scott (he d. in 1657 leaving two children and a third who was born
posthumously on 24 March 1657[/8] [Phoebe Tilton Anc 119-20; EPR 1:258-59]);
m. (2) by about 1661 Ezekiel Rogers (eldest known child b. about 1661 [EQC
6:345; NEHGR 5:316-17]). (In her will of 22 June 1678, Margaret Rogers,
widow, referred to the estate of "my son Tho[mas] Scott to which I am
executrix" [EQC 9:227-28]. On 15 April 1684, in a dispute over the estate of
Thomas Scott, son of Thomas and Margaret (Hubbard) Scott, "William Hubbard
and Mary Hubbard testified . that they saw the will and Thomas had left
everything to his mother, who was at the time the widow of deponent's
brother Ezekiel Rogers" [EQC 9:224].)
ASSOCIATIONS: In his will William Hubbard refers to land which he "purchased
of my cousin John Brown," but the exact manner in which these two men were
cousins has not been discovered. There may be a further clue to this
relationship in a court case of 29 September 1657, in which John Allen
deposed that "he saw Edmond Bridges at Mr. Hubbard's house two or three
times this summer; and saw his unseemly carriages towards Mary Browne" [EQC
2:54].
COMMENTS: In his will William Hubbard bequeathed to two of his sons land in
"Tendring Hundred" and "Dover Court." Tendring and Dovercourt are parishes
in the easternmost end of Essex, Tendring Hundred being a grouping of
parishes which includes Tendring. Based on this clue, Winifred Lovering
Holman undertook research in Tendring, Great Clacton and Little Clacton. The
only useful item was obtained from the vicar of Little Clacton, who reported
that "William Hubbard the son of Firgard(?) and Susan his wife of Bovells
Hall was baptized the fifth day of September 1589" [TAG 11:120]. (The name
of the father, which the vicar could not read, might be Richard.) This might
possibly be the baptismal record for the immigrant, but more evidence is
needed.
If we take the ages on the 1635 passenger list at face value, then William
Hubbard must have had two wives. His wife Judith, aged twenty-five in 1635,
could have been the mother only of the two youngest children entered on the
passenger list, Nathaniel and Richard. The existence of two wives is
supported by the apparent gap of seven years between sons William and
Nathaniel.
Ages entered in the London Port Books are, however, notoriously unreliable,
which leads us to make two observations. First, if the age for Judith should
have been forty-five rather than twenty-five, then she could have been
mother of all the children, and William Hubbard would have had only one
wife. In the absence of further evidence, we retain the interpretation in
which she was twenty-five, and Hubbard had two wives. Second, if the age of
William Hubbard, given as fifty, is only an approximation, then he could be
the William baptized at Little Clacton in 1589. This would make him about
twenty-four at the birth of his first known child.
The record of William Hubbard's service as deputy to the General Court and
judge at the Essex courts leads to some interesting observations. First,
William Hubbard was returned to these two offices repeatedly from 1638 to
1660. Initially Hubbard sat only on the Ipswich bench, but beginning in 1654
he served on courts held at both Salem and Ipswich. There is a gap in
service at both levels. He was not a deputy between 1646 and 1656, and there
is no record of him as a judge from 1648 to 1653. The gap in county service
may not be real, as the records are not complete for this period. The
ten-year gap in service as a deputy is real, but remains unexplained.
Second, the public service of William Hubbard ended rather abruptly, his
last appearance as a deputy being on 30 May 1669, and as a judge on 25
September 1660. Less than two years later, on 24 June 1662, William Hubbard
had removed his residence from Ipswich to Boston. The reason for the
cessation of service is not hard to find, as he would have been about
seventy-five years old in 1660. From his very brief inventory, we see that,
aside from his landholdings in old England and in Ipswich, he owned nothing
but his clothes. He owned no real estate in Boston. Apparently in his old
age he went to Boston to live quietly with his eldest daughter, the
twice-widowed Martha (Hubbard) (Whittingham) Eyre.
On 21 June 1637, "W[illiam] Hubbard" signed the petition of Ipswich
inhabitants in favor of keeping John Winthrop Jr. as a resident of Ipswich
[WP 3:432-33]. On 6 September 1639, Rev. Hugh Peter reported to Gov. John
Winthrop that "[w]e are just now about meeting Mr. Hubbard and 3 more of
Ipswich to sell your son's Castle Hill to them, but you would wonder to see
their dodging. If they have it they must pay for it in some measure else it
were more honorable for him to give it" [WP 4:140].
On 1 October 1645, "Mr. Willi[am] Hubbard" and six other prominent men of
Essex County successfully petitioned the General Court to be "established .
as a free company of adventurers" for trade with the Indians [MBCR 2:138-39,
3:53-54].
In his will of 25 March 1672, "William Whittingham late of Boston ., gent.,"
first made bequests to his five children (sons Richard and William and
daughters Mary, Elisabeth and Martha), and then made the following
arrangements: "£163 due unto my uncle Nathaniell Hubbard of London,
gentleman," to be paid out of rents (with reference to "my brother Richard
Whittingham, gentleman, deceased"); debts contracted "upon the account of my
brother-in-law John Clarke of Boston in New England aforesaid, gentleman,"
to be repaid, "together with the annuity due unto my mother Mrs. Martha Eire
for her natural life"; to "my brother John Clarke of Boston aforesaid,
gentleman, all his proportion of debts"; refers to "James Whetcomb of Boston
aforesaid, gentleman," his business partner; to "my cousins Mary Hubbart &
Anne Hubbert, daughters of my said uncle Hubbert," £5 each; "my trusty &
well beloved friend my father-in-law John Lawrence of New York in America,
gentleman, William Hubbert of Ipswich in New England aforesaid, gent., my
said uncle Nathaniell Hubbert of London, gent., & John Lewine of London,
Esq.," to be executors [SPR 7:224].
BIBLIOGRAPHIC NOTE: In 1934 Winifred Lovering Holman published a brief
article on the results of her searches in the parish registers of three
Essex parishes: Tendring, Great Clacton and Little Clacton [TAG 11:120].
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146663124.758459.86010@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Below is the sketch for William Hubbard found in The Great Migration Begins,
1634-1635, Vol. 3, G-H:
ORIGIN: Unknown (but see COMMENTS below).
MIGRATION: 1635 on the Defence (on 18 July 1635, "W[illia]m Hubbard,"
husbandman, aged 50, "Judith Hubbard," aged 25, "John Hubbard," aged 15,
"W[illia]m Hubbard," aged 13, "Nathaniel Hubbard," aged 6, "Richard
Hubbard," aged 4, "Martha Hubbard," aged 22, and "Mary Hubbard," aged 20,
were enrolled at London as passengers for New England on the Defence [Hotten
106-7]).
FIRST RESIDENCE: Ipswich.
REMOVES: Boston by 1662 [ILR 3:93].
OCCUPATION: Magistrate.
CHURCH MEMBERSHIP: Admission to Ipswich church prior to 2 May 1638 implied
by freemanship.
FREEMAN: 2 May 1638 (as "Mr. William Hubberd," first in a sequence of six
Ipswich men) [MBCR 1:374].
OFFICES: Deputy for Ipswich to Massachusetts Bay General Court, 6 September
1638, 22 May 1639, 10 May 1643, 7 March 1643/4, 29 May 1644, 14 May 1645, 12
August 1645, 2 October 1645, 6 May 1646, 14 May 1656, 6 May 1657, 19 May
1658, 30 May 1660 [MBCR 1:236, 256, 2:33, 55, 66, 96, 146, 3:1, 9, 39, 44,
62, 422, 4:1:255, 286, 321, 416].
Massachusetts Bay committee on wages and prices, 12 March 1637/8 [MBCR
1:223]. Committee on colony rate, 6 September 1638 [MBCR 1:242]. Committee
on bounds between Salem and Ipswich, 27 March 1643 [MBCR 2:36]. Committee to
"consider of & examine the bill about judicial proceedings sent from the
magistrates," 31 May 1644 [MBCR 3:4]. Committee to "consider of the best
ways and means to destroy the wolves," 14 May 1645 [MBCR 3:10]. Committee to
"enquire into the state of ministers' widow's & children," 6 May 1657 [MBCR
3:423-24, 4:1:286].
Essex judge, 8 June 1638, 6 June 1639, 13 May 1640, 2 June 1641, 28
[December] 1641, 29 May 1644, [blank] March 1647/8, 27 September 1653, 28
March 1654, 26 September 1654, 28 November 1654, 27 March 1655, 26 June
1655, 25 September 1655, 27 November 1655, 25 March 1656, 30 September 1656,
25 November 1656, 31 March 1657, 29 September 1657, 30 March 1658, 29 June
1658, 20 July 1658, 28 September 1658, 29 March 1659, 27 September 1659, 25
September 1660 [MBCR 1:232, 261, 290, 328, 2:68, 227; EQC 1:37, 289, 328,
362, 372, 381, 387, 390, 396, 408, 414, 2:1, 6, 11, 51, 61, 71, 106, 111,
138, 168, 225].
On 24 October 1651, "[a]t the request of Mr. Phillips, of Rowley, it is
ordered, that Mr. W[illia]m Hubbard Senior, of Ipswich, shall be, & is
hereby, empowered to marry the said Mr. Phillips, who hath been thrice
published, as the law requires" [MBCR 3:249, 4:1:72, 244].
EDUCATION: Sufficient to be appointed magistrate and deputy. Signed his deed
and will.
ESTATE: In October 1635 the town of Ipswich granted to Thomas Dudley "one
parcel of ground containing about nine acres . upon parcel of which nine
acres, Mr. Dudley hath built an house ., also . twenty-five acres late
Goodman Mussey's ., and a lot late Goodman Cross, now Mr. Saltonstall's,
also a ten-acre lot in the reedy marsh, also one hundred acres of meadow and
one hundred acres of upland"; this was annotated "all which premises .
Thomas Dudley Esq. hath sold to Mr. Hubbard" [ITR].
On 6 September 1638, Massachusetts Bay General Court granted 300 acres of
land to "Mr. Willi[am] Hubberd" [MBCR 1:240].
On 31 May 1652, in "answer to the petition of Mr. W[illia]m Hubbard, of
Ipswich, it is ordered, that he shall have (in consideration of money
formerly disbursed for public use) five hundred acres of land, to be laid
out by Joseph Jewet & Joh[n] Gage, of Ipswich, on the north side of the
bounds of Haverhill, & within two miles of their outmost line" [MBCR 3:275,
4:1:90]. On 14 October 1656, "Mr. W[illia]m Hubbard having long since
disbursed £50 for public use in England, for which he had land formerly
granted him upon the bounds of Hav[er]ell, but being disappointed thereof,
upon his petition, & relinquishing of his former grant, this Court thinks
meet to grant him one thousand acres of land in any place or places that he
can find lying out of any former grants or townships beyond Exeter River,
towards the east or northeast" [MBCR 3:420, 4:1:283].
On 28 April 1657, the Court entered a report of the laying out of land "to
Mr. W[illia]m Hubbard, of Ipswich, Senior, 1000 acres of land in any place
or places beyond Exeter River, . viz: upon the north side of Inochecha [sic]
River, about 8 or 9 miles from the mills, as we judge, the number of 890
acres in a pine swamp . & the remainder of the 1000 acres laid out in two
small parcels of land on both sides of the river, that on the north side
containing about 70 acres ., that parcel of land on the south side about
forty acres ., these two latter parcels lying about 3 or 4 miles from the
mills upon Inochecha [sic] River" [MBCR 3:435-36, 4:1:300-1]. On 20 May
1657, "Willi[am] Hubbard Senior of Ipswich ., gent., & Judeth his wife" sold
to "Capt. Thomas Wiggin of Quomscooke . all that parcel or parcels of land
granted them by a General Court held at Boston on the fifteenth day of
October in the year of our Lord one thousand six hundred fifty six
containing per estimation one thousand acres of land . upon the north side
of Quochecho River about eight or nine miles from the mills the number of
eight hundred & ninety acres in a pine swamp . and the remainder of the
thousand acres laid out in two several parcels of land on both sides the
river that on the north side containing about seventy acres . that parcel on
the south side about forty acres . these two latter parcels lying about
three or four miles from the mills upon Quochecho River all the said parcels
containing one thousand acres" [NLR 1:55].
On 24 June 1662, "W[illia]m Hubbard of Boston ., gent.," deeded to "Richard
Hubbard of Ipswich ., my son, all that my farm, lately in the tenure and
occupation of Daniel Ringe of Ipswich deceased, " in Ipswich, "together with
some parcels of land, on the southeast side of the Mile River, bounded as
before, formerly bought of John Tuttle, W[illia]m Bartholmew, Isack Comings,
and whatever other parcel on that side of the river to my said farm now
belonging . containing by estimation eight hundred acres" [ILR 3:93].
In his will, dated 8 June 1670 and proved 19 August 1670, "William Hubbard
Senior now of Boston" bequeathed to "my eldest son William Hubbard . all my
land in old England situate in Tendring Hundred both free & copyhold with
all the houses, buildings & appurtenances thereunto belonging . as likewise
my house & land at Ipswich . together with a parcel of meadow six acres .
purchased of my cousin John Brown ., all the arrears of the rents of my
lands which are or shall be due unto me at the time of my death from any
that do occupy the same either in old England or New England ., all the
remaining part of my farm at Ipswich not included in the deed of eight
hundred acres confirmed to my son Richard, viz: three hundred acres of
pasture & meadow on the south side of my said farm"; to "my son Nathaniel I
have already given a sufficient portion in my land at Dover Court &
otherwise"; to "my son Richard . that part of my farm containing eight
hundred acres part whereof lyeth on the easterly side of the river called
Mile Brook"; "my son William" to be sole executor and residuary legatee [SPR
7:76].
The inventory of the estate of "Mr. W[illiam] Hubbard lately deceased,"
presented 19 August 1670, was untotalled, and consisted of three items:
"wearing apparel," £20; "a parcel of land belonging to a farm at Ipswich
containing three hundred acres more or less," £150; and "debts by arrears of
rents uncertain" [SPR 7:77].
BIRTH: About 1585 (aged 50 on 18 July 1635 [Hotten 106-7], but see COMMENTS
below).
DEATH: Between 8 June 1670 (date of will) and 19 August 1670 (probate of
will).
MARRIAGE: (1) By about 1613 _____ _____.
(2) By about 1629 Judith _____. She was living on 28 May 1657 [NLR 1:55].
CHILDREN:
With first wife
i MARTHA HUBBARD, b. about 1613 (aged 22 on 18 July 1635 [Hotten
107]); m. (1) about 1638 JOHN WHITTINGHAM {1638, Ipswich} (in his will of
1648, "John Whittingham of Ipswich" made bequests to "my wife Martha," and
to three sons and three daughters, and made "my father-in-law Mr. William
Hubbard & my brother Samuel Haugh & Martha my wife executors" [EPR 1:103-5;
EQC 1:200, 235, 381]); m. (2) by 1652 SIMON EYRE {1635, Watertown} [GM
2:2:483-89].
ii MARY HUBBARD, b. about 1615 (aged 20 on 18 July 1635 [Hotten
107]); sailed for New England with family in 1635; no further record.
iii JOHN HUBBARD, b. about 1620 (aged 15 on 18 July 1635 [Hotten
107]); sailed for New England with family in 1635; no further record.
iv WILLIAM HUBBARD, b. about 1622 (aged 13 on 18 July 1635 [Hotten
107]); Harvard College 1642 [Sibley 1:54-62]; m. (1) by about 1650 Mary
Rogers, daughter of Rev. NATHANIEL ROGERS {1636, Ipswich} (in his will of 3
July 1655, "Mr. Nathaniel Rogers, pastor of the Church of Christ at
Ipswich," included a bequest to "my three grandchildren John, Nathaniel,
Margaret Hubbard" [EPR 1:222-23]); m. (2) 1694 Mary (Giddings) Pierce,
daughter of GEORGE GIDDINGS {1635, Ipswich} [GM 2:3:52-56] and widow of
Samuel Pierce. (This William Hubbard was the author of A General History of
New England from the Discovery to MDCLXXX, completed by 1682, but not
published until 1815.)
With second wife
v NATHANIEL HUBBARD, b. about 1629 (aged 6 on 18 July 1635 [Hotten
107]); m. by about 1668 (or earlier) _____ _____ (on 25 March 1672, he had
two daughters, Mary and Anne [SPR 7:224]).
vi RICHARD HUBBARD, b. about 1631 (aged 4 on 18 July 1635 [Hotten
107]); Harvard College 1653 [Sibley 1:342-43]; m. by about 1658 Sarah
Bradstreet, daughter of SIMON BRADSTREET {1630, Boston} [GMB 1:213].
vii MARGARET HUBBARD, b. say 1636; m. (1) by about 1656 Thomas
Scott (he d. in 1657 leaving two children and a third who was born
posthumously on 24 March 1657[/8] [Phoebe Tilton Anc 119-20; EPR 1:258-59]);
m. (2) by about 1661 Ezekiel Rogers (eldest known child b. about 1661 [EQC
6:345; NEHGR 5:316-17]). (In her will of 22 June 1678, Margaret Rogers,
widow, referred to the estate of "my son Tho[mas] Scott to which I am
executrix" [EQC 9:227-28]. On 15 April 1684, in a dispute over the estate of
Thomas Scott, son of Thomas and Margaret (Hubbard) Scott, "William Hubbard
and Mary Hubbard testified . that they saw the will and Thomas had left
everything to his mother, who was at the time the widow of deponent's
brother Ezekiel Rogers" [EQC 9:224].)
ASSOCIATIONS: In his will William Hubbard refers to land which he "purchased
of my cousin John Brown," but the exact manner in which these two men were
cousins has not been discovered. There may be a further clue to this
relationship in a court case of 29 September 1657, in which John Allen
deposed that "he saw Edmond Bridges at Mr. Hubbard's house two or three
times this summer; and saw his unseemly carriages towards Mary Browne" [EQC
2:54].
COMMENTS: In his will William Hubbard bequeathed to two of his sons land in
"Tendring Hundred" and "Dover Court." Tendring and Dovercourt are parishes
in the easternmost end of Essex, Tendring Hundred being a grouping of
parishes which includes Tendring. Based on this clue, Winifred Lovering
Holman undertook research in Tendring, Great Clacton and Little Clacton. The
only useful item was obtained from the vicar of Little Clacton, who reported
that "William Hubbard the son of Firgard(?) and Susan his wife of Bovells
Hall was baptized the fifth day of September 1589" [TAG 11:120]. (The name
of the father, which the vicar could not read, might be Richard.) This might
possibly be the baptismal record for the immigrant, but more evidence is
needed.
If we take the ages on the 1635 passenger list at face value, then William
Hubbard must have had two wives. His wife Judith, aged twenty-five in 1635,
could have been the mother only of the two youngest children entered on the
passenger list, Nathaniel and Richard. The existence of two wives is
supported by the apparent gap of seven years between sons William and
Nathaniel.
Ages entered in the London Port Books are, however, notoriously unreliable,
which leads us to make two observations. First, if the age for Judith should
have been forty-five rather than twenty-five, then she could have been
mother of all the children, and William Hubbard would have had only one
wife. In the absence of further evidence, we retain the interpretation in
which she was twenty-five, and Hubbard had two wives. Second, if the age of
William Hubbard, given as fifty, is only an approximation, then he could be
the William baptized at Little Clacton in 1589. This would make him about
twenty-four at the birth of his first known child.
The record of William Hubbard's service as deputy to the General Court and
judge at the Essex courts leads to some interesting observations. First,
William Hubbard was returned to these two offices repeatedly from 1638 to
1660. Initially Hubbard sat only on the Ipswich bench, but beginning in 1654
he served on courts held at both Salem and Ipswich. There is a gap in
service at both levels. He was not a deputy between 1646 and 1656, and there
is no record of him as a judge from 1648 to 1653. The gap in county service
may not be real, as the records are not complete for this period. The
ten-year gap in service as a deputy is real, but remains unexplained.
Second, the public service of William Hubbard ended rather abruptly, his
last appearance as a deputy being on 30 May 1669, and as a judge on 25
September 1660. Less than two years later, on 24 June 1662, William Hubbard
had removed his residence from Ipswich to Boston. The reason for the
cessation of service is not hard to find, as he would have been about
seventy-five years old in 1660. From his very brief inventory, we see that,
aside from his landholdings in old England and in Ipswich, he owned nothing
but his clothes. He owned no real estate in Boston. Apparently in his old
age he went to Boston to live quietly with his eldest daughter, the
twice-widowed Martha (Hubbard) (Whittingham) Eyre.
On 21 June 1637, "W[illiam] Hubbard" signed the petition of Ipswich
inhabitants in favor of keeping John Winthrop Jr. as a resident of Ipswich
[WP 3:432-33]. On 6 September 1639, Rev. Hugh Peter reported to Gov. John
Winthrop that "[w]e are just now about meeting Mr. Hubbard and 3 more of
Ipswich to sell your son's Castle Hill to them, but you would wonder to see
their dodging. If they have it they must pay for it in some measure else it
were more honorable for him to give it" [WP 4:140].
On 1 October 1645, "Mr. Willi[am] Hubbard" and six other prominent men of
Essex County successfully petitioned the General Court to be "established .
as a free company of adventurers" for trade with the Indians [MBCR 2:138-39,
3:53-54].
In his will of 25 March 1672, "William Whittingham late of Boston ., gent.,"
first made bequests to his five children (sons Richard and William and
daughters Mary, Elisabeth and Martha), and then made the following
arrangements: "£163 due unto my uncle Nathaniell Hubbard of London,
gentleman," to be paid out of rents (with reference to "my brother Richard
Whittingham, gentleman, deceased"); debts contracted "upon the account of my
brother-in-law John Clarke of Boston in New England aforesaid, gentleman,"
to be repaid, "together with the annuity due unto my mother Mrs. Martha Eire
for her natural life"; to "my brother John Clarke of Boston aforesaid,
gentleman, all his proportion of debts"; refers to "James Whetcomb of Boston
aforesaid, gentleman," his business partner; to "my cousins Mary Hubbart &
Anne Hubbert, daughters of my said uncle Hubbert," £5 each; "my trusty &
well beloved friend my father-in-law John Lawrence of New York in America,
gentleman, William Hubbert of Ipswich in New England aforesaid, gent., my
said uncle Nathaniell Hubbert of London, gent., & John Lewine of London,
Esq.," to be executors [SPR 7:224].
BIBLIOGRAPHIC NOTE: In 1934 Winifred Lovering Holman published a brief
article on the results of her searches in the parish registers of three
Essex parishes: Tendring, Great Clacton and Little Clacton [TAG 11:120].
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146663124.758459.86010@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dear Vickie ~
Besides overlooking the Hubbard daughter who married Rev. William
Knight, I assume the Great Migration Begins also treated William
Hubbard's daughter, Judith, aged 25, as William Hubbard's wife. Is
that right?
As best I can tell, Judith Hubbard, aged 25, is in fact the Hubbard
daughter who married Rev. William Knight, as I believe the other two
daughters, Martha and Mary, both have contrary histories. Again, is
that right?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
-
Vickie Elam White
Re: A third Hubbard question
Douglas,
Judith *was* his wife -
"On 20 May 1657, "Willi[am] Hubbard Senior of Ipswich ., gent., & Judeth his
wife" sold
to 'Capt. Thomas Wiggin of Quomscooke . all that parcel or parcels of land
granted them by a General Court held at Boston on the fifteenth day of
October in the year of our Lord one thousand six hundred fifty six
containing per estimation one thousand acres of land . upon the north side
of Quochecho River about eight or nine miles from the mills the number of
eight hundred & ninety acres in a pine swamp . and the remainder of the
thousand acres laid out in two several parcels of land on both sides the
river that on the north side containing about seventy acres . that parcel on
the south side about forty acres . these two latter parcels lying about
three or four miles from the mills upon Quochecho River all the said parcels
containing one thousand acres' [NLR 1:55]'."
Vickie Elam White
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146663124.758459.86010@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Judith *was* his wife -
"On 20 May 1657, "Willi[am] Hubbard Senior of Ipswich ., gent., & Judeth his
wife" sold
to 'Capt. Thomas Wiggin of Quomscooke . all that parcel or parcels of land
granted them by a General Court held at Boston on the fifteenth day of
October in the year of our Lord one thousand six hundred fifty six
containing per estimation one thousand acres of land . upon the north side
of Quochecho River about eight or nine miles from the mills the number of
eight hundred & ninety acres in a pine swamp . and the remainder of the
thousand acres laid out in two several parcels of land on both sides the
river that on the north side containing about seventy acres . that parcel on
the south side about forty acres . these two latter parcels lying about
three or four miles from the mills upon Quochecho River all the said parcels
containing one thousand acres' [NLR 1:55]'."
Vickie Elam White
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146663124.758459.86010@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dear Vickie ~
Besides overlooking the Hubbard daughter who married Rev. William
Knight, I assume the Great Migration Begins also treated William
Hubbard's daughter, Judith, aged 25, as William Hubbard's wife. Is
that right?
As best I can tell, Judith Hubbard, aged 25, is in fact the Hubbard
daughter who married Rev. William Knight, as I believe the other two
daughters, Martha and Mary, both have contrary histories. Again, is
that right?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
-
Douglas Richardson
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children [Revised Post]
Dear Newsgroup ~
The weblink below indicates that the early parish registers of Lawford,
Essex are available on microfiche from the Essex Record Office in
Chelmsford, Essex, England:
http://194.72.123.51/applications/parishrecords/
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
The weblink below indicates that the early parish registers of Lawford,
Essex are available on microfiche from the Essex Record Office in
Chelmsford, Essex, England:
http://194.72.123.51/applications/parishrecords/
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
-
Douglas Richardson
Re: A third Hubbard question
Dear Vickie ~
Thank you for posting the information from the book, The Great
Migration Begins, concerning the New World immigrant, William Hubbard,
of Ipswich and Boston, Massachusetts It's much appreciated.
Checking the online database, Ancestry World Tree, I've found various
people claim that Mary Hubbard, daughter of William and Judith Hubbard,
married Thomas Scott and Ezekiel Rogers. That is why I thought Mary's
marital history was already settled. I see the Great Migration Begins,
however, indicates it was Margaret Hubbard, a younger sister of Mary,
who had these two marriages. That frees Mary Hubbard to be the Hubbard
daughter who married Rev. William Knight, c. 1637-1639.
For interest's sake, I checked for a will yesterday for Rev. William
Knight who died at Ipswich, Suffolk in 1696. I found nothing for him
in the PCC index, nor in the local Suffolk probate court index.
Regardless, possibly Rev. Wright's wife's burial can be found in the
parish registers of St. Matthew's, Ipswich, or St. Mary-at-Elms,
Ipswich. If his wife's name can be confirmed as being Mary, then I
think this marriage would be fully confirmed.
This also allows the Judith Hubbard, whose age is given in the 1635
passenger list as 25, to be the wife of William Hubbard, not his
daughter. I concur with Mr. Anderson's assessment that the ages
entered in the London Port Books are "notoriously unreliable."
Vickie - Is the Hubbard line is your own ancestry?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
Thank you for posting the information from the book, The Great
Migration Begins, concerning the New World immigrant, William Hubbard,
of Ipswich and Boston, Massachusetts It's much appreciated.
Checking the online database, Ancestry World Tree, I've found various
people claim that Mary Hubbard, daughter of William and Judith Hubbard,
married Thomas Scott and Ezekiel Rogers. That is why I thought Mary's
marital history was already settled. I see the Great Migration Begins,
however, indicates it was Margaret Hubbard, a younger sister of Mary,
who had these two marriages. That frees Mary Hubbard to be the Hubbard
daughter who married Rev. William Knight, c. 1637-1639.
For interest's sake, I checked for a will yesterday for Rev. William
Knight who died at Ipswich, Suffolk in 1696. I found nothing for him
in the PCC index, nor in the local Suffolk probate court index.
Regardless, possibly Rev. Wright's wife's burial can be found in the
parish registers of St. Matthew's, Ipswich, or St. Mary-at-Elms,
Ipswich. If his wife's name can be confirmed as being Mary, then I
think this marriage would be fully confirmed.
This also allows the Judith Hubbard, whose age is given in the 1635
passenger list as 25, to be the wife of William Hubbard, not his
daughter. I concur with Mr. Anderson's assessment that the ages
entered in the London Port Books are "notoriously unreliable."
Vickie - Is the Hubbard line is your own ancestry?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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Vickie Elam White
Re: A third Hubbard question
Douglas,
No, like you I often research lines that are not my own or my own
family.
Vickie Elam White
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
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No, like you I often research lines that are not my own or my own
family.
Vickie Elam White
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
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Dear Vickie ~
Thank you for posting the information from the book, The Great
Migration Begins, concerning the New World immigrant, William Hubbard,
of Ipswich and Boston, Massachusetts It's much appreciated.
Checking the online database, Ancestry World Tree, I've found various
people claim that Mary Hubbard, daughter of William and Judith Hubbard,
married Thomas Scott and Ezekiel Rogers. That is why I thought Mary's
marital history was already settled. I see the Great Migration Begins,
however, indicates it was Margaret Hubbard, a younger sister of Mary,
who had these two marriages. That frees Mary Hubbard to be the Hubbard
daughter who married Rev. William Knight, c. 1637-1639.
For interest's sake, I checked for a will yesterday for Rev. William
Knight who died at Ipswich, Suffolk in 1696. I found nothing for him
in the PCC index, nor in the local Suffolk probate court index.
Regardless, possibly Rev. Wright's wife's burial can be found in the
parish registers of St. Matthew's, Ipswich, or St. Mary-at-Elms,
Ipswich. If his wife's name can be confirmed as being Mary, then I
think this marriage would be fully confirmed.
This also allows the Judith Hubbard, whose age is given in the 1635
passenger list as 25, to be the wife of William Hubbard, not his
daughter. I concur with Mr. Anderson's assessment that the ages
entered in the London Port Books are "notoriously unreliable."
Vickie - Is the Hubbard line is your own ancestry?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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Douglas Richardson
Re: A third Hubbard question
Dear Newsgroup ~
The weblink below contains information regarding the immediate family
of Rev. William Knight, whose wife was a daughter of William and Judith
(Knapp) Hubbard, of Ipswich, Massachusetts.
http://www.e-familytree.net/F240/F240753.htm
The author, Mr. Salzman, indicates that Rev. William Knight was joined
in New England by his mother, Widow Elizabeth Knight, and by his three
sisters, Elizabeth Knight (wife of Israel Stoughton), Mary Knight (wife
of Thomas Clark), and Ursula Knight (wife of David Yale). He cites as
his source the book, The Great Migration Begins, Vol. III, 1775 6.
Can someone confirm that this information is in The Great Migration
Begins?
I note that Mr. Salzman includes the following disclaimer:
"This is my speculative data. I've verified very little of it. Use it
for hints and pointers, but do your own research!"
Well said, Mr. Salzman.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
The weblink below contains information regarding the immediate family
of Rev. William Knight, whose wife was a daughter of William and Judith
(Knapp) Hubbard, of Ipswich, Massachusetts.
http://www.e-familytree.net/F240/F240753.htm
The author, Mr. Salzman, indicates that Rev. William Knight was joined
in New England by his mother, Widow Elizabeth Knight, and by his three
sisters, Elizabeth Knight (wife of Israel Stoughton), Mary Knight (wife
of Thomas Clark), and Ursula Knight (wife of David Yale). He cites as
his source the book, The Great Migration Begins, Vol. III, 1775 6.
Can someone confirm that this information is in The Great Migration
Begins?
I note that Mr. Salzman includes the following disclaimer:
"This is my speculative data. I've verified very little of it. Use it
for hints and pointers, but do your own research!"
Well said, Mr. Salzman.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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Douglas Richardson
Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
Dear Newsgroup ~
I should mention that The Great Migration Begins by Mr. Anderson
confirms the statement in Candler's Suffolk and Essex Pedigrees, a
contemporary source, that William Hubbard, son of Judith (Knapp)
Hubbard, married Mary Rogers, daughter of Rev. Nathaniel Rogers. Mr
Anderson states:
" ... Rev. NATHANIEL ROGERS {1636, Ipswich} (in his will of 3
July 1655, "Mr. Nathaniel Rogers, pastor of the Church of Christ at
Ipswich," included a bequest to "my three grandchildren John,
Nathaniel,
Margaret Hubbard" [EPR 1:222-23] ...."
Thus, there can be no question that Judith Knapp was the wife of the
immigrant, Mr. William Hubbard, or that she was the mother of ALL of
his children. I find that Judith Knapp was William Hubbard's wife in
1612, 1635, and 1652. The Hubbard children were born between "about
1613" and "say 1636," all within the time frame that William Hubbard
had a wife named Judith.
Thus, the identity of Judith Knapp, her parentage, and her royal
descent from King John and from the Magna Carta baron, Saier de Quincy,
are now fully confirmed.
Thanks again to Vickie for posting the information from The Great
Migration Begins.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
I should mention that The Great Migration Begins by Mr. Anderson
confirms the statement in Candler's Suffolk and Essex Pedigrees, a
contemporary source, that William Hubbard, son of Judith (Knapp)
Hubbard, married Mary Rogers, daughter of Rev. Nathaniel Rogers. Mr
Anderson states:
" ... Rev. NATHANIEL ROGERS {1636, Ipswich} (in his will of 3
July 1655, "Mr. Nathaniel Rogers, pastor of the Church of Christ at
Ipswich," included a bequest to "my three grandchildren John,
Nathaniel,
Margaret Hubbard" [EPR 1:222-23] ...."
Thus, there can be no question that Judith Knapp was the wife of the
immigrant, Mr. William Hubbard, or that she was the mother of ALL of
his children. I find that Judith Knapp was William Hubbard's wife in
1612, 1635, and 1652. The Hubbard children were born between "about
1613" and "say 1636," all within the time frame that William Hubbard
had a wife named Judith.
Thus, the identity of Judith Knapp, her parentage, and her royal
descent from King John and from the Magna Carta baron, Saier de Quincy,
are now fully confirmed.
Thanks again to Vickie for posting the information from The Great
Migration Begins.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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Vickie Elam White
Re: A third Hubbard question
Douglas,
I find it curious that a researcher of your reputation, who works with New
England families so much, doesn't have a membership to NEHGS, a
subscription to the "Great Migration Newsletter" and access to the Great
Migration books.
Vickie Elam White
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
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I find it curious that a researcher of your reputation, who works with New
England families so much, doesn't have a membership to NEHGS, a
subscription to the "Great Migration Newsletter" and access to the Great
Migration books.
Vickie Elam White
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146677086.286289.84070@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Dear Newsgroup ~
The weblink below contains information regarding the immediate family
of Rev. William Knight, whose wife was a daughter of William and Judith
(Knapp) Hubbard, of Ipswich, Massachusetts.
http://www.e-familytree.net/F240/F240753.htm
The author, Mr. Salzman, indicates that Rev. William Knight was joined
in New England by his mother, Widow Elizabeth Knight, and by his three
sisters, Elizabeth Knight (wife of Israel Stoughton), Mary Knight (wife
of Thomas Clark), and Ursula Knight (wife of David Yale). He cites as
his source the book, The Great Migration Begins, Vol. III, 1775 6.
Can someone confirm that this information is in The Great Migration
Begins?
I note that Mr. Salzman includes the following disclaimer:
"This is my speculative data. I've verified very little of it. Use it
for hints and pointers, but do your own research!"
Well said, Mr. Salzman.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
-
John Brandon
Re: A third Hubbard question
"Several members of the family of Elizabeth Knight, wife of Israel
Stoughton, also came to New England, including her mother, the widow
Elizabeth Knight, her brother, Rev. William Knight, and two sisters,
Mary, wife of Thomas Clark, and Ursula, wife of David Yale [TAG
33:108-12]."
http://www.newenglandancestors.org/rese ... sp?print=1
Stoughton, also came to New England, including her mother, the widow
Elizabeth Knight, her brother, Rev. William Knight, and two sisters,
Mary, wife of Thomas Clark, and Ursula, wife of David Yale [TAG
33:108-12]."
http://www.newenglandancestors.org/rese ... sp?print=1
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Douglas Richardson
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
Vickie ~
In your own post of today's date (which I've copied below), you
provided evidence that the immigrant, William Hubbard, of Ipswich,
Massachusetts, died in 1670, and that his son, William Hubbard, was
living as late as 1694. In the same post, you gave evidence which
proves Candler's statement that the younger William Hubbard married
Mary, daughter of Nathaniel Rogers. Elsewhere, I provided evidence
that William Hubbard's son-in-law, Rev. William Knight, of Ipswich,
Massachusetts, and later of Ipswich, Suffolk, England, died in 1696.
As such, Candler's pedigree of the Knapp family dated c. 1660 is very
much contemporaneous to the lives of these people. In fact, I get the
impression from reading Candler's pedigree that he personally knew at
least one member of the Knapp family in England, which person was the
source of his information on this family. Candler's information nicely
corroborates the earlier 1612 Visitation of the Knapp family, as well
as the 1604 will of William Hubbard's father-in-law, John Knapp. Thus,
Candler can be deemed very trustworthy and reliable, besides being
contemporary to the immigrant, William Hubbard, and his children.
There can be no question that the immigrant's wife, Judith, was the
daughter of John Knapp, merchant, of Ipswich, Suffolk, England
The only point which you might wish to argue is the accuracy of the age
of William Hubbard's wife, Judith, on the 1635 ship list for the
Defense. Again, in your own post, Mr. Anderson states that "ages
entered in the London Port Books are, however, notoriously unreliable."
I completely concur with Mr. Anderson's statement.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Vickie Elam White wrote:
Douglas,
Below is the sketch for William Hubbard found in The Great Migration
Begins,
1634-1635, Vol. 3, G-H:
ORIGIN: Unknown (but see COMMENTS below).
MIGRATION: 1635 on the Defence (on 18 July 1635, "W[illia]m Hubbard,"
husbandman, aged 50, "Judith Hubbard," aged 25, "John Hubbard," aged
15,
"W[illia]m Hubbard," aged 13, "Nathaniel Hubbard," aged 6, "Richard
Hubbard," aged 4, "Martha Hubbard," aged 22, and "Mary Hubbard," aged
20,
were enrolled at London as passengers for New England on the Defence
[Hotten
106-7]).
FIRST RESIDENCE: Ipswich.
REMOVES: Boston by 1662 [ILR 3:93].
OCCUPATION: Magistrate.
CHURCH MEMBERSHIP: Admission to Ipswich church prior to 2 May 1638
implied
by freemanship.
FREEMAN: 2 May 1638 (as "Mr. William Hubberd," first in a sequence of
six
Ipswich men) [MBCR 1:374].
OFFICES: Deputy for Ipswich to Massachusetts Bay General Court, 6
September
1638, 22 May 1639, 10 May 1643, 7 March 1643/4, 29 May 1644, 14 May
1645, 12
August 1645, 2 October 1645, 6 May 1646, 14 May 1656, 6 May 1657, 19
May
1658, 30 May 1660 [MBCR 1:236, 256, 2:33, 55, 66, 96, 146, 3:1, 9, 39,
44,
62, 422, 4:1:255, 286, 321, 416].
Massachusetts Bay committee on wages and prices, 12 March 1637/8 [MBCR
1:223]. Committee on colony rate, 6 September 1638 [MBCR 1:242].
Committee
on bounds between Salem and Ipswich, 27 March 1643 [MBCR 2:36].
Committee to
"consider of & examine the bill about judicial proceedings sent from
the
magistrates," 31 May 1644 [MBCR 3:4]. Committee to "consider of the
best
ways and means to destroy the wolves," 14 May 1645 [MBCR 3:10].
Committee to
"enquire into the state of ministers' widow's & children," 6 May 1657
[MBCR
3:423-24, 4:1:286].
Essex judge, 8 June 1638, 6 June 1639, 13 May 1640, 2 June 1641, 28
[December] 1641, 29 May 1644, [blank] March 1647/8, 27 September 1653,
28
March 1654, 26 September 1654, 28 November 1654, 27 March 1655, 26 June
1655, 25 September 1655, 27 November 1655, 25 March 1656, 30 September
1656,
25 November 1656, 31 March 1657, 29 September 1657, 30 March 1658, 29
June
1658, 20 July 1658, 28 September 1658, 29 March 1659, 27 September
1659, 25
September 1660 [MBCR 1:232, 261, 290, 328, 2:68, 227; EQC 1:37, 289,
328,
362, 372, 381, 387, 390, 396, 408, 414, 2:1, 6, 11, 51, 61, 71, 106,
111,
138, 168, 225].
On 24 October 1651, "[a]t the request of Mr. Phillips, of Rowley, it is
ordered, that Mr. W[illia]m Hubbard Senior, of Ipswich, shall be, & is
hereby, empowered to marry the said Mr. Phillips, who hath been thrice
published, as the law requires" [MBCR 3:249, 4:1:72, 244].
EDUCATION: Sufficient to be appointed magistrate and deputy. Signed his
deed
and will.
ESTATE: In October 1635 the town of Ipswich granted to Thomas Dudley
"one
parcel of ground containing about nine acres . upon parcel of which
nine
acres, Mr. Dudley hath built an house ., also . twenty-five acres late
Goodman Mussey's ., and a lot late Goodman Cross, now Mr.
Saltonstall's,
also a ten-acre lot in the reedy marsh, also one hundred acres of
meadow and
one hundred acres of upland"; this was annotated "all which premises .
Thomas Dudley Esq. hath sold to Mr. Hubbard" [ITR].
On 6 September 1638, Massachusetts Bay General Court granted 300 acres
of
land to "Mr. Willi[am] Hubberd" [MBCR 1:240].
On 31 May 1652, in "answer to the petition of Mr. W[illia]m Hubbard, of
Ipswich, it is ordered, that he shall have (in consideration of money
formerly disbursed for public use) five hundred acres of land, to be
laid
out by Joseph Jewet & Joh[n] Gage, of Ipswich, on the north side of the
bounds of Haverhill, & within two miles of their outmost line" [MBCR
3:275,
4:1:90]. On 14 October 1656, "Mr. W[illia]m Hubbard having long since
disbursed £50 for public use in England, for which he had land
formerly
granted him upon the bounds of Hav[er]ell, but being disappointed
thereof,
upon his petition, & relinquishing of his former grant, this Court
thinks
meet to grant him one thousand acres of land in any place or places
that he
can find lying out of any former grants or townships beyond Exeter
River,
towards the east or northeast" [MBCR 3:420, 4:1:283].
On 28 April 1657, the Court entered a report of the laying out of land
"to
Mr. W[illia]m Hubbard, of Ipswich, Senior, 1000 acres of land in any
place
or places beyond Exeter River, . viz: upon the north side of Inochecha
[sic]
River, about 8 or 9 miles from the mills, as we judge, the number of
890
acres in a pine swamp . & the remainder of the 1000 acres laid out in
two
small parcels of land on both sides of the river, that on the north
side
containing about 70 acres ., that parcel of land on the south side
about
forty acres ., these two latter parcels lying about 3 or 4 miles from
the
mills upon Inochecha [sic] River" [MBCR 3:435-36, 4:1:300-1]. On 20 May
1657, "Willi[am] Hubbard Senior of Ipswich ., gent., & Judeth his wife"
sold
to "Capt. Thomas Wiggin of Quomscooke . all that parcel or parcels of
land
granted them by a General Court held at Boston on the fifteenth day of
October in the year of our Lord one thousand six hundred fifty six
containing per estimation one thousand acres of land . upon the north
side
of Quochecho River about eight or nine miles from the mills the number
of
eight hundred & ninety acres in a pine swamp . and the remainder of the
thousand acres laid out in two several parcels of land on both sides
the
river that on the north side containing about seventy acres . that
parcel on
the south side about forty acres . these two latter parcels lying about
three or four miles from the mills upon Quochecho River all the said
parcels
containing one thousand acres" [NLR 1:55].
On 24 June 1662, "W[illia]m Hubbard of Boston ., gent.," deeded to
"Richard
Hubbard of Ipswich ., my son, all that my farm, lately in the tenure
and
occupation of Daniel Ringe of Ipswich deceased, " in Ipswich, "together
with
some parcels of land, on the southeast side of the Mile River, bounded
as
before, formerly bought of John Tuttle, W[illia]m Bartholmew, Isack
Comings,
and whatever other parcel on that side of the river to my said farm now
belonging . containing by estimation eight hundred acres" [ILR 3:93].
In his will, dated 8 June 1670 and proved 19 August 1670, "William
Hubbard
Senior now of Boston" bequeathed to "my eldest son William Hubbard .
all my
land in old England situate in Tendring Hundred both free & copyhold
with
all the houses, buildings & appurtenances thereunto belonging . as
likewise
my house & land at Ipswich . together with a parcel of meadow six acres
..
purchased of my cousin John Brown ., all the arrears of the rents of my
lands which are or shall be due unto me at the time of my death from
any
that do occupy the same either in old England or New England ., all the
remaining part of my farm at Ipswich not included in the deed of eight
hundred acres confirmed to my son Richard, viz: three hundred acres of
pasture & meadow on the south side of my said farm"; to "my son
Nathaniel I
have already given a sufficient portion in my land at Dover Court &
otherwise"; to "my son Richard . that part of my farm containing eight
hundred acres part whereof lyeth on the easterly side of the river
called
Mile Brook"; "my son William" to be sole executor and residuary legatee
[SPR
7:76].
The inventory of the estate of "Mr. W[illiam] Hubbard lately deceased,"
presented 19 August 1670, was untotalled, and consisted of three items:
"wearing apparel," £20; "a parcel of land belonging to a farm at
Ipswich
containing three hundred acres more or less," £150; and "debts by
arrears of
rents uncertain" [SPR 7:77].
BIRTH: About 1585 (aged 50 on 18 July 1635 [Hotten 106-7], but see
COMMENTS
below).
DEATH: Between 8 June 1670 (date of will) and 19 August 1670 (probate
of
will).
MARRIAGE: (1) By about 1613 _____ _____.
(2) By about 1629 Judith _____. She was living on 28 May 1657 [NLR
1:55].
CHILDREN:
With first wife
i MARTHA HUBBARD, b. about 1613 (aged 22 on 18 July 1635
[Hotten
107]); m. (1) about 1638 JOHN WHITTINGHAM {1638, Ipswich} (in his will
of
1648, "John Whittingham of Ipswich" made bequests to "my wife Martha,"
and
to three sons and three daughters, and made "my father-in-law Mr.
William
Hubbard & my brother Samuel Haugh & Martha my wife executors" [EPR
1:103-5;
EQC 1:200, 235, 381]); m. (2) by 1652 SIMON EYRE {1635, Watertown} [GM
2:2:483-89].
ii MARY HUBBARD, b. about 1615 (aged 20 on 18 July 1635
[Hotten
107]); sailed for New England with family in 1635; no further record.
iii JOHN HUBBARD, b. about 1620 (aged 15 on 18 July 1635
[Hotten
107]); sailed for New England with family in 1635; no further record.
iv WILLIAM HUBBARD, b. about 1622 (aged 13 on 18 July 1635
[Hotten
107]); Harvard College 1642 [Sibley 1:54-62]; m. (1) by about 1650 Mary
Rogers, daughter of Rev. NATHANIEL ROGERS {1636, Ipswich} (in his will
of 3
July 1655, "Mr. Nathaniel Rogers, pastor of the Church of Christ at
Ipswich," included a bequest to "my three grandchildren John,
Nathaniel,
Margaret Hubbard" [EPR 1:222-23]); m. (2) 1694 Mary (Giddings) Pierce,
daughter of GEORGE GIDDINGS {1635, Ipswich} [GM 2:3:52-56] and widow of
Samuel Pierce. (This William Hubbard was the author of A General
History of
New England from the Discovery to MDCLXXX, completed by 1682, but not
published until 1815.)
With second wife
v NATHANIEL HUBBARD, b. about 1629 (aged 6 on 18 July 1635
[Hotten
107]); m. by about 1668 (or earlier) _____ _____ (on 25 March 1672, he
had
two daughters, Mary and Anne [SPR 7:224]).
vi RICHARD HUBBARD, b. about 1631 (aged 4 on 18 July 1635
[Hotten
107]); Harvard College 1653 [Sibley 1:342-43]; m. by about 1658 Sarah
Bradstreet, daughter of SIMON BRADSTREET {1630, Boston} [GMB 1:213].
vii MARGARET HUBBARD, b. say 1636; m. (1) by about 1656 Thomas
Scott (he d. in 1657 leaving two children and a third who was born
posthumously on 24 March 1657[/8] [Phoebe Tilton Anc 119-20; EPR
1:258-59]);
m. (2) by about 1661 Ezekiel Rogers (eldest known child b. about 1661
[EQC
6:345; NEHGR 5:316-17]). (In her will of 22 June 1678, Margaret Rogers,
widow, referred to the estate of "my son Tho[mas] Scott to which I am
executrix" [EQC 9:227-28]. On 15 April 1684, in a dispute over the
estate of
Thomas Scott, son of Thomas and Margaret (Hubbard) Scott, "William
Hubbard
and Mary Hubbard testified . that they saw the will and Thomas had left
everything to his mother, who was at the time the widow of deponent's
brother Ezekiel Rogers" [EQC 9:224].)
ASSOCIATIONS: In his will William Hubbard refers to land which he
"purchased
of my cousin John Brown," but the exact manner in which these two men
were
cousins has not been discovered. There may be a further clue to this
relationship in a court case of 29 September 1657, in which John Allen
deposed that "he saw Edmond Bridges at Mr. Hubbard's house two or three
times this summer; and saw his unseemly carriages towards Mary Browne"
[EQC
2:54].
COMMENTS: In his will William Hubbard bequeathed to two of his sons
land in
"Tendring Hundred" and "Dover Court." Tendring and Dovercourt are
parishes
in the easternmost end of Essex, Tendring Hundred being a grouping of
parishes which includes Tendring. Based on this clue, Winifred Lovering
Holman undertook research in Tendring, Great Clacton and Little
Clacton. The
only useful item was obtained from the vicar of Little Clacton, who
reported
that "William Hubbard the son of Firgard(?) and Susan his wife of
Bovells
Hall was baptized the fifth day of September 1589" [TAG 11:120]. (The
name
of the father, which the vicar could not read, might be Richard.) This
might
possibly be the baptismal record for the immigrant, but more evidence
is
needed.
If we take the ages on the 1635 passenger list at face value, then
William
Hubbard must have had two wives. His wife Judith, aged twenty-five in
1635,
could have been the mother only of the two youngest children entered on
the
passenger list, Nathaniel and Richard. The existence of two wives is
supported by the apparent gap of seven years between sons William and
Nathaniel.
Ages entered in the London Port Books are, however, notoriously
unreliable,
which leads us to make two observations. First, if the age for Judith
should
have been forty-five rather than twenty-five, then she could have been
mother of all the children, and William Hubbard would have had only one
wife. In the absence of further evidence, we retain the interpretation
in
which she was twenty-five, and Hubbard had two wives. Second, if the
age of
William Hubbard, given as fifty, is only an approximation, then he
could be
the William baptized at Little Clacton in 1589. This would make him
about
twenty-four at the birth of his first known child.
The record of William Hubbard's service as deputy to the General Court
and
judge at the Essex courts leads to some interesting observations.
First,
William Hubbard was returned to these two offices repeatedly from 1638
to
1660. Initially Hubbard sat only on the Ipswich bench, but beginning in
1654
he served on courts held at both Salem and Ipswich. There is a gap in
service at both levels. He was not a deputy between 1646 and 1656, and
there
is no record of him as a judge from 1648 to 1653. The gap in county
service
may not be real, as the records are not complete for this period. The
ten-year gap in service as a deputy is real, but remains unexplained.
Second, the public service of William Hubbard ended rather abruptly,
his
last appearance as a deputy being on 30 May 1669, and as a judge on 25
September 1660. Less than two years later, on 24 June 1662, William
Hubbard
had removed his residence from Ipswich to Boston. The reason for the
cessation of service is not hard to find, as he would have been about
seventy-five years old in 1660. From his very brief inventory, we see
that,
aside from his landholdings in old England and in Ipswich, he owned
nothing
but his clothes. He owned no real estate in Boston. Apparently in his
old
age he went to Boston to live quietly with his eldest daughter, the
twice-widowed Martha (Hubbard) (Whittingham) Eyre.
On 21 June 1637, "W[illiam] Hubbard" signed the petition of Ipswich
inhabitants in favor of keeping John Winthrop Jr. as a resident of
Ipswich
[WP 3:432-33]. On 6 September 1639, Rev. Hugh Peter reported to Gov.
John
Winthrop that "[w]e are just now about meeting Mr. Hubbard and 3 more
of
Ipswich to sell your son's Castle Hill to them, but you would wonder to
see
their dodging. If they have it they must pay for it in some measure
else it
were more honorable for him to give it" [WP 4:140].
On 1 October 1645, "Mr. Willi[am] Hubbard" and six other prominent men
of
Essex County successfully petitioned the General Court to be
"established .
as a free company of adventurers" for trade with the Indians [MBCR
2:138-39,
3:53-54].
In his will of 25 March 1672, "William Whittingham late of Boston .,
gent.,"
first made bequests to his five children (sons Richard and William and
daughters Mary, Elisabeth and Martha), and then made the following
arrangements: "£163 due unto my uncle Nathaniell Hubbard of London,
gentleman," to be paid out of rents (with reference to "my brother
Richard
Whittingham, gentleman, deceased"); debts contracted "upon the account
of my
brother-in-law John Clarke of Boston in New England aforesaid,
gentleman,"
to be repaid, "together with the annuity due unto my mother Mrs. Martha
Eire
for her natural life"; to "my brother John Clarke of Boston aforesaid,
gentleman, all his proportion of debts"; refers to "James Whetcomb of
Boston
aforesaid, gentleman," his business partner; to "my cousins Mary
Hubbart &
Anne Hubbert, daughters of my said uncle Hubbert," £5 each; "my trusty
&
well beloved friend my father-in-law John Lawrence of New York in
America,
gentleman, William Hubbert of Ipswich in New England aforesaid, gent.,
my
said uncle Nathaniell Hubbert of London, gent., & John Lewine of
London,
Esq.," to be executors [SPR 7:224].
BIBLIOGRAPHIC NOTE: In 1934 Winifred Lovering Holman published a brief
article on the results of her searches in the parish registers of three
Essex parishes: Tendring, Great Clacton and Little Clacton [TAG 11:120].
In your own post of today's date (which I've copied below), you
provided evidence that the immigrant, William Hubbard, of Ipswich,
Massachusetts, died in 1670, and that his son, William Hubbard, was
living as late as 1694. In the same post, you gave evidence which
proves Candler's statement that the younger William Hubbard married
Mary, daughter of Nathaniel Rogers. Elsewhere, I provided evidence
that William Hubbard's son-in-law, Rev. William Knight, of Ipswich,
Massachusetts, and later of Ipswich, Suffolk, England, died in 1696.
As such, Candler's pedigree of the Knapp family dated c. 1660 is very
much contemporaneous to the lives of these people. In fact, I get the
impression from reading Candler's pedigree that he personally knew at
least one member of the Knapp family in England, which person was the
source of his information on this family. Candler's information nicely
corroborates the earlier 1612 Visitation of the Knapp family, as well
as the 1604 will of William Hubbard's father-in-law, John Knapp. Thus,
Candler can be deemed very trustworthy and reliable, besides being
contemporary to the immigrant, William Hubbard, and his children.
There can be no question that the immigrant's wife, Judith, was the
daughter of John Knapp, merchant, of Ipswich, Suffolk, England
The only point which you might wish to argue is the accuracy of the age
of William Hubbard's wife, Judith, on the 1635 ship list for the
Defense. Again, in your own post, Mr. Anderson states that "ages
entered in the London Port Books are, however, notoriously unreliable."
I completely concur with Mr. Anderson's statement.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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Vickie Elam White wrote:
Douglas,
Below is the sketch for William Hubbard found in The Great Migration
Begins,
1634-1635, Vol. 3, G-H:
ORIGIN: Unknown (but see COMMENTS below).
MIGRATION: 1635 on the Defence (on 18 July 1635, "W[illia]m Hubbard,"
husbandman, aged 50, "Judith Hubbard," aged 25, "John Hubbard," aged
15,
"W[illia]m Hubbard," aged 13, "Nathaniel Hubbard," aged 6, "Richard
Hubbard," aged 4, "Martha Hubbard," aged 22, and "Mary Hubbard," aged
20,
were enrolled at London as passengers for New England on the Defence
[Hotten
106-7]).
FIRST RESIDENCE: Ipswich.
REMOVES: Boston by 1662 [ILR 3:93].
OCCUPATION: Magistrate.
CHURCH MEMBERSHIP: Admission to Ipswich church prior to 2 May 1638
implied
by freemanship.
FREEMAN: 2 May 1638 (as "Mr. William Hubberd," first in a sequence of
six
Ipswich men) [MBCR 1:374].
OFFICES: Deputy for Ipswich to Massachusetts Bay General Court, 6
September
1638, 22 May 1639, 10 May 1643, 7 March 1643/4, 29 May 1644, 14 May
1645, 12
August 1645, 2 October 1645, 6 May 1646, 14 May 1656, 6 May 1657, 19
May
1658, 30 May 1660 [MBCR 1:236, 256, 2:33, 55, 66, 96, 146, 3:1, 9, 39,
44,
62, 422, 4:1:255, 286, 321, 416].
Massachusetts Bay committee on wages and prices, 12 March 1637/8 [MBCR
1:223]. Committee on colony rate, 6 September 1638 [MBCR 1:242].
Committee
on bounds between Salem and Ipswich, 27 March 1643 [MBCR 2:36].
Committee to
"consider of & examine the bill about judicial proceedings sent from
the
magistrates," 31 May 1644 [MBCR 3:4]. Committee to "consider of the
best
ways and means to destroy the wolves," 14 May 1645 [MBCR 3:10].
Committee to
"enquire into the state of ministers' widow's & children," 6 May 1657
[MBCR
3:423-24, 4:1:286].
Essex judge, 8 June 1638, 6 June 1639, 13 May 1640, 2 June 1641, 28
[December] 1641, 29 May 1644, [blank] March 1647/8, 27 September 1653,
28
March 1654, 26 September 1654, 28 November 1654, 27 March 1655, 26 June
1655, 25 September 1655, 27 November 1655, 25 March 1656, 30 September
1656,
25 November 1656, 31 March 1657, 29 September 1657, 30 March 1658, 29
June
1658, 20 July 1658, 28 September 1658, 29 March 1659, 27 September
1659, 25
September 1660 [MBCR 1:232, 261, 290, 328, 2:68, 227; EQC 1:37, 289,
328,
362, 372, 381, 387, 390, 396, 408, 414, 2:1, 6, 11, 51, 61, 71, 106,
111,
138, 168, 225].
On 24 October 1651, "[a]t the request of Mr. Phillips, of Rowley, it is
ordered, that Mr. W[illia]m Hubbard Senior, of Ipswich, shall be, & is
hereby, empowered to marry the said Mr. Phillips, who hath been thrice
published, as the law requires" [MBCR 3:249, 4:1:72, 244].
EDUCATION: Sufficient to be appointed magistrate and deputy. Signed his
deed
and will.
ESTATE: In October 1635 the town of Ipswich granted to Thomas Dudley
"one
parcel of ground containing about nine acres . upon parcel of which
nine
acres, Mr. Dudley hath built an house ., also . twenty-five acres late
Goodman Mussey's ., and a lot late Goodman Cross, now Mr.
Saltonstall's,
also a ten-acre lot in the reedy marsh, also one hundred acres of
meadow and
one hundred acres of upland"; this was annotated "all which premises .
Thomas Dudley Esq. hath sold to Mr. Hubbard" [ITR].
On 6 September 1638, Massachusetts Bay General Court granted 300 acres
of
land to "Mr. Willi[am] Hubberd" [MBCR 1:240].
On 31 May 1652, in "answer to the petition of Mr. W[illia]m Hubbard, of
Ipswich, it is ordered, that he shall have (in consideration of money
formerly disbursed for public use) five hundred acres of land, to be
laid
out by Joseph Jewet & Joh[n] Gage, of Ipswich, on the north side of the
bounds of Haverhill, & within two miles of their outmost line" [MBCR
3:275,
4:1:90]. On 14 October 1656, "Mr. W[illia]m Hubbard having long since
disbursed £50 for public use in England, for which he had land
formerly
granted him upon the bounds of Hav[er]ell, but being disappointed
thereof,
upon his petition, & relinquishing of his former grant, this Court
thinks
meet to grant him one thousand acres of land in any place or places
that he
can find lying out of any former grants or townships beyond Exeter
River,
towards the east or northeast" [MBCR 3:420, 4:1:283].
On 28 April 1657, the Court entered a report of the laying out of land
"to
Mr. W[illia]m Hubbard, of Ipswich, Senior, 1000 acres of land in any
place
or places beyond Exeter River, . viz: upon the north side of Inochecha
[sic]
River, about 8 or 9 miles from the mills, as we judge, the number of
890
acres in a pine swamp . & the remainder of the 1000 acres laid out in
two
small parcels of land on both sides of the river, that on the north
side
containing about 70 acres ., that parcel of land on the south side
about
forty acres ., these two latter parcels lying about 3 or 4 miles from
the
mills upon Inochecha [sic] River" [MBCR 3:435-36, 4:1:300-1]. On 20 May
1657, "Willi[am] Hubbard Senior of Ipswich ., gent., & Judeth his wife"
sold
to "Capt. Thomas Wiggin of Quomscooke . all that parcel or parcels of
land
granted them by a General Court held at Boston on the fifteenth day of
October in the year of our Lord one thousand six hundred fifty six
containing per estimation one thousand acres of land . upon the north
side
of Quochecho River about eight or nine miles from the mills the number
of
eight hundred & ninety acres in a pine swamp . and the remainder of the
thousand acres laid out in two several parcels of land on both sides
the
river that on the north side containing about seventy acres . that
parcel on
the south side about forty acres . these two latter parcels lying about
three or four miles from the mills upon Quochecho River all the said
parcels
containing one thousand acres" [NLR 1:55].
On 24 June 1662, "W[illia]m Hubbard of Boston ., gent.," deeded to
"Richard
Hubbard of Ipswich ., my son, all that my farm, lately in the tenure
and
occupation of Daniel Ringe of Ipswich deceased, " in Ipswich, "together
with
some parcels of land, on the southeast side of the Mile River, bounded
as
before, formerly bought of John Tuttle, W[illia]m Bartholmew, Isack
Comings,
and whatever other parcel on that side of the river to my said farm now
belonging . containing by estimation eight hundred acres" [ILR 3:93].
In his will, dated 8 June 1670 and proved 19 August 1670, "William
Hubbard
Senior now of Boston" bequeathed to "my eldest son William Hubbard .
all my
land in old England situate in Tendring Hundred both free & copyhold
with
all the houses, buildings & appurtenances thereunto belonging . as
likewise
my house & land at Ipswich . together with a parcel of meadow six acres
..
purchased of my cousin John Brown ., all the arrears of the rents of my
lands which are or shall be due unto me at the time of my death from
any
that do occupy the same either in old England or New England ., all the
remaining part of my farm at Ipswich not included in the deed of eight
hundred acres confirmed to my son Richard, viz: three hundred acres of
pasture & meadow on the south side of my said farm"; to "my son
Nathaniel I
have already given a sufficient portion in my land at Dover Court &
otherwise"; to "my son Richard . that part of my farm containing eight
hundred acres part whereof lyeth on the easterly side of the river
called
Mile Brook"; "my son William" to be sole executor and residuary legatee
[SPR
7:76].
The inventory of the estate of "Mr. W[illiam] Hubbard lately deceased,"
presented 19 August 1670, was untotalled, and consisted of three items:
"wearing apparel," £20; "a parcel of land belonging to a farm at
Ipswich
containing three hundred acres more or less," £150; and "debts by
arrears of
rents uncertain" [SPR 7:77].
BIRTH: About 1585 (aged 50 on 18 July 1635 [Hotten 106-7], but see
COMMENTS
below).
DEATH: Between 8 June 1670 (date of will) and 19 August 1670 (probate
of
will).
MARRIAGE: (1) By about 1613 _____ _____.
(2) By about 1629 Judith _____. She was living on 28 May 1657 [NLR
1:55].
CHILDREN:
With first wife
i MARTHA HUBBARD, b. about 1613 (aged 22 on 18 July 1635
[Hotten
107]); m. (1) about 1638 JOHN WHITTINGHAM {1638, Ipswich} (in his will
of
1648, "John Whittingham of Ipswich" made bequests to "my wife Martha,"
and
to three sons and three daughters, and made "my father-in-law Mr.
William
Hubbard & my brother Samuel Haugh & Martha my wife executors" [EPR
1:103-5;
EQC 1:200, 235, 381]); m. (2) by 1652 SIMON EYRE {1635, Watertown} [GM
2:2:483-89].
ii MARY HUBBARD, b. about 1615 (aged 20 on 18 July 1635
[Hotten
107]); sailed for New England with family in 1635; no further record.
iii JOHN HUBBARD, b. about 1620 (aged 15 on 18 July 1635
[Hotten
107]); sailed for New England with family in 1635; no further record.
iv WILLIAM HUBBARD, b. about 1622 (aged 13 on 18 July 1635
[Hotten
107]); Harvard College 1642 [Sibley 1:54-62]; m. (1) by about 1650 Mary
Rogers, daughter of Rev. NATHANIEL ROGERS {1636, Ipswich} (in his will
of 3
July 1655, "Mr. Nathaniel Rogers, pastor of the Church of Christ at
Ipswich," included a bequest to "my three grandchildren John,
Nathaniel,
Margaret Hubbard" [EPR 1:222-23]); m. (2) 1694 Mary (Giddings) Pierce,
daughter of GEORGE GIDDINGS {1635, Ipswich} [GM 2:3:52-56] and widow of
Samuel Pierce. (This William Hubbard was the author of A General
History of
New England from the Discovery to MDCLXXX, completed by 1682, but not
published until 1815.)
With second wife
v NATHANIEL HUBBARD, b. about 1629 (aged 6 on 18 July 1635
[Hotten
107]); m. by about 1668 (or earlier) _____ _____ (on 25 March 1672, he
had
two daughters, Mary and Anne [SPR 7:224]).
vi RICHARD HUBBARD, b. about 1631 (aged 4 on 18 July 1635
[Hotten
107]); Harvard College 1653 [Sibley 1:342-43]; m. by about 1658 Sarah
Bradstreet, daughter of SIMON BRADSTREET {1630, Boston} [GMB 1:213].
vii MARGARET HUBBARD, b. say 1636; m. (1) by about 1656 Thomas
Scott (he d. in 1657 leaving two children and a third who was born
posthumously on 24 March 1657[/8] [Phoebe Tilton Anc 119-20; EPR
1:258-59]);
m. (2) by about 1661 Ezekiel Rogers (eldest known child b. about 1661
[EQC
6:345; NEHGR 5:316-17]). (In her will of 22 June 1678, Margaret Rogers,
widow, referred to the estate of "my son Tho[mas] Scott to which I am
executrix" [EQC 9:227-28]. On 15 April 1684, in a dispute over the
estate of
Thomas Scott, son of Thomas and Margaret (Hubbard) Scott, "William
Hubbard
and Mary Hubbard testified . that they saw the will and Thomas had left
everything to his mother, who was at the time the widow of deponent's
brother Ezekiel Rogers" [EQC 9:224].)
ASSOCIATIONS: In his will William Hubbard refers to land which he
"purchased
of my cousin John Brown," but the exact manner in which these two men
were
cousins has not been discovered. There may be a further clue to this
relationship in a court case of 29 September 1657, in which John Allen
deposed that "he saw Edmond Bridges at Mr. Hubbard's house two or three
times this summer; and saw his unseemly carriages towards Mary Browne"
[EQC
2:54].
COMMENTS: In his will William Hubbard bequeathed to two of his sons
land in
"Tendring Hundred" and "Dover Court." Tendring and Dovercourt are
parishes
in the easternmost end of Essex, Tendring Hundred being a grouping of
parishes which includes Tendring. Based on this clue, Winifred Lovering
Holman undertook research in Tendring, Great Clacton and Little
Clacton. The
only useful item was obtained from the vicar of Little Clacton, who
reported
that "William Hubbard the son of Firgard(?) and Susan his wife of
Bovells
Hall was baptized the fifth day of September 1589" [TAG 11:120]. (The
name
of the father, which the vicar could not read, might be Richard.) This
might
possibly be the baptismal record for the immigrant, but more evidence
is
needed.
If we take the ages on the 1635 passenger list at face value, then
William
Hubbard must have had two wives. His wife Judith, aged twenty-five in
1635,
could have been the mother only of the two youngest children entered on
the
passenger list, Nathaniel and Richard. The existence of two wives is
supported by the apparent gap of seven years between sons William and
Nathaniel.
Ages entered in the London Port Books are, however, notoriously
unreliable,
which leads us to make two observations. First, if the age for Judith
should
have been forty-five rather than twenty-five, then she could have been
mother of all the children, and William Hubbard would have had only one
wife. In the absence of further evidence, we retain the interpretation
in
which she was twenty-five, and Hubbard had two wives. Second, if the
age of
William Hubbard, given as fifty, is only an approximation, then he
could be
the William baptized at Little Clacton in 1589. This would make him
about
twenty-four at the birth of his first known child.
The record of William Hubbard's service as deputy to the General Court
and
judge at the Essex courts leads to some interesting observations.
First,
William Hubbard was returned to these two offices repeatedly from 1638
to
1660. Initially Hubbard sat only on the Ipswich bench, but beginning in
1654
he served on courts held at both Salem and Ipswich. There is a gap in
service at both levels. He was not a deputy between 1646 and 1656, and
there
is no record of him as a judge from 1648 to 1653. The gap in county
service
may not be real, as the records are not complete for this period. The
ten-year gap in service as a deputy is real, but remains unexplained.
Second, the public service of William Hubbard ended rather abruptly,
his
last appearance as a deputy being on 30 May 1669, and as a judge on 25
September 1660. Less than two years later, on 24 June 1662, William
Hubbard
had removed his residence from Ipswich to Boston. The reason for the
cessation of service is not hard to find, as he would have been about
seventy-five years old in 1660. From his very brief inventory, we see
that,
aside from his landholdings in old England and in Ipswich, he owned
nothing
but his clothes. He owned no real estate in Boston. Apparently in his
old
age he went to Boston to live quietly with his eldest daughter, the
twice-widowed Martha (Hubbard) (Whittingham) Eyre.
On 21 June 1637, "W[illiam] Hubbard" signed the petition of Ipswich
inhabitants in favor of keeping John Winthrop Jr. as a resident of
Ipswich
[WP 3:432-33]. On 6 September 1639, Rev. Hugh Peter reported to Gov.
John
Winthrop that "[w]e are just now about meeting Mr. Hubbard and 3 more
of
Ipswich to sell your son's Castle Hill to them, but you would wonder to
see
their dodging. If they have it they must pay for it in some measure
else it
were more honorable for him to give it" [WP 4:140].
On 1 October 1645, "Mr. Willi[am] Hubbard" and six other prominent men
of
Essex County successfully petitioned the General Court to be
"established .
as a free company of adventurers" for trade with the Indians [MBCR
2:138-39,
3:53-54].
In his will of 25 March 1672, "William Whittingham late of Boston .,
gent.,"
first made bequests to his five children (sons Richard and William and
daughters Mary, Elisabeth and Martha), and then made the following
arrangements: "£163 due unto my uncle Nathaniell Hubbard of London,
gentleman," to be paid out of rents (with reference to "my brother
Richard
Whittingham, gentleman, deceased"); debts contracted "upon the account
of my
brother-in-law John Clarke of Boston in New England aforesaid,
gentleman,"
to be repaid, "together with the annuity due unto my mother Mrs. Martha
Eire
for her natural life"; to "my brother John Clarke of Boston aforesaid,
gentleman, all his proportion of debts"; refers to "James Whetcomb of
Boston
aforesaid, gentleman," his business partner; to "my cousins Mary
Hubbart &
Anne Hubbert, daughters of my said uncle Hubbert," £5 each; "my trusty
&
well beloved friend my father-in-law John Lawrence of New York in
America,
gentleman, William Hubbert of Ipswich in New England aforesaid, gent.,
my
said uncle Nathaniell Hubbert of London, gent., & John Lewine of
London,
Esq.," to be executors [SPR 7:224].
BIBLIOGRAPHIC NOTE: In 1934 Winifred Lovering Holman published a brief
article on the results of her searches in the parish registers of three
Essex parishes: Tendring, Great Clacton and Little Clacton [TAG 11:120].
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Merilyn Pedrick
Re: A third Hubbard question
I have seen the early Massachusetts settlers named Hobart also sometimes
referred to as Hubbard. (Nazareth Hobart married John Beal in 1630 in
Hingham, Norfolk, England).
Is there any connection?
Merilyn Pedrick
-------Original Message-------
From: Douglas Richardson
Date: 05/03/06 23:09:02
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: A third Hubbard question
Dear Vickie ~
Besides overlooking the Hubbard daughter who married Rev. William
Knight, I assume the Great Migration Begins also treated William
Hubbard's daughter, Judith, aged 25, as William Hubbard's wife. Is
that right?
As best I can tell, Judith Hubbard, aged 25, is in fact the Hubbard
daughter who married Rev. William Knight, as I believe the other two
daughters, Martha and Mary, both have contrary histories. Again, is
that right?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
referred to as Hubbard. (Nazareth Hobart married John Beal in 1630 in
Hingham, Norfolk, England).
Is there any connection?
Merilyn Pedrick
-------Original Message-------
From: Douglas Richardson
Date: 05/03/06 23:09:02
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: A third Hubbard question
Dear Vickie ~
Besides overlooking the Hubbard daughter who married Rev. William
Knight, I assume the Great Migration Begins also treated William
Hubbard's daughter, Judith, aged 25, as William Hubbard's wife. Is
that right?
As best I can tell, Judith Hubbard, aged 25, is in fact the Hubbard
daughter who married Rev. William Knight, as I believe the other two
daughters, Martha and Mary, both have contrary histories. Again, is
that right?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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Douglas Richardson
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
Dear Newsgroup ~
As a followup to my post about the dating of Candler's Suffolk & Essex
Pedigrees, I found the following comment written in Volume II regarding
the children of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's cousin, Samuel Knapp.
According to Candler, Samuel Knapp and his wife, Anne Cooke, had twenty
children, of which ten were living in 1658:
pg. 161: "XX. children of which were alive 1658 Anne, Samuel,
Elizabeth, Mary, Alice, Thomas, John, Robert, Daniel, Simon
(posthumous)."
It seems obvious from this comment that the author of the pedigree, Mr.
Candler, had first hand knowledge of the Knapp family provided to him
by a member of the Knapp family sometime in the year, 1658.
This date agrees well with our other information about Rev. William
Knight, the son-in-law of William and Judith (Knapp) Hubbard, who was
presented to St. Matthew's, Ipswich in 1655 by Oliver Cromwell. Volume
II of the Candler's Pedigrees specifically names him:
pg. 158 (Knapp pedigree: "Judith [Knapp], married to William Hobert.
William her sonne married Mary daughter of Nathll Rogers, pastor of a
church in N. England .... one of her daughters was married to William
Knight, minister of St. Matthewes parish in Ipswich."),
Since Rev. Knight was not presented until 1655, the Knapp pedigree in
Volume II must date after that date. Also, please note that Mr.
Candler refers to the multiple daughters of Judith Knapp, making it
clear that she was the mother of both older Hubbard girls, Martha and
Mary.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
As a followup to my post about the dating of Candler's Suffolk & Essex
Pedigrees, I found the following comment written in Volume II regarding
the children of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's cousin, Samuel Knapp.
According to Candler, Samuel Knapp and his wife, Anne Cooke, had twenty
children, of which ten were living in 1658:
pg. 161: "XX. children of which were alive 1658 Anne, Samuel,
Elizabeth, Mary, Alice, Thomas, John, Robert, Daniel, Simon
(posthumous)."
It seems obvious from this comment that the author of the pedigree, Mr.
Candler, had first hand knowledge of the Knapp family provided to him
by a member of the Knapp family sometime in the year, 1658.
This date agrees well with our other information about Rev. William
Knight, the son-in-law of William and Judith (Knapp) Hubbard, who was
presented to St. Matthew's, Ipswich in 1655 by Oliver Cromwell. Volume
II of the Candler's Pedigrees specifically names him:
pg. 158 (Knapp pedigree: "Judith [Knapp], married to William Hobert.
William her sonne married Mary daughter of Nathll Rogers, pastor of a
church in N. England .... one of her daughters was married to William
Knight, minister of St. Matthewes parish in Ipswich."),
Since Rev. Knight was not presented until 1655, the Knapp pedigree in
Volume II must date after that date. Also, please note that Mr.
Candler refers to the multiple daughters of Judith Knapp, making it
clear that she was the mother of both older Hubbard girls, Martha and
Mary.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
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John Brandon
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
Nice work on this, Doug.
I'm still wondering if "Judith, aged 25" wasn't an older daughter who
died soon after arrival in New England. That way, none of the ages
would be terribly off (if we accept Hotten's reading of William's age
as 50, rather than 40).
Do you still think the 1609 Hubbard-Hawes marriage is for the New
England immigrants? Seems quite possible if Judith had a brief first
marriage ...
I'm still wondering if "Judith, aged 25" wasn't an older daughter who
died soon after arrival in New England. That way, none of the ages
would be terribly off (if we accept Hotten's reading of William's age
as 50, rather than 40).
Do you still think the 1609 Hubbard-Hawes marriage is for the New
England immigrants? Seems quite possible if Judith had a brief first
marriage ...
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Douglas Richardson
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
Dear John ~
After giving the matter some thought, I've decided to follow the
traditional view that Judith Hubbard, aged 25, on the ship Defense in
1635 was William Hubbard's wife, rather than a daughter of the same
name. I also believe that the Judith Hubbard who was on the ship,
Defense, was Judith Knapp. I have three reasons for taking this
position:
(1) We know that William Hubbard's wife's name before and after 1635
was Judith. We also know that ages in the London Port Books are
notoriously inaccurate.
(2) If William Hubbard's wife in 1635 was a much younger second wife,
we should expect them to produce a flock of children between 1635 and
1652, when Judith last occurs in the records. Instead, it appears that
there was but one additional child born to this couple, a daughter,
Margaret, born say 1636 (Mr. Anderson's guesstimate). If we place
Margaret's birth at the extreme end of Judith Knapp's child bearing
years at age 42-44, it gives us a birthdate for Judith Knapp of
1592-1594. This estimated birthdate agrees well with the fact that
Judith Knapp was an unmarried minor in 1604, but married before 1612.
(3) There is no record of a subsequent history of any Hubbard daughter
named Judith in New England records. Conversely, we do find records
for the daughters, Martha and Margaret Hubbard, but not for Mary
Hubbard, who evidently returned to England with her husband, Rev.
William Knight.
I remain neutral as to whether Judith Knapp is the same person as
Judith Hawes who married in 1609 at Lawford, Essex to William Hubbard.
The date and the place for the marriage certainly look good. And,
there was certainly a well placed Hawes family in Ipswich, Suffolk,
into which family Judith Knapp could have married. However, if Judith
Knapp had a first marriage to a Hawes, it was necessarily brief. On
this score, I think we should wait until the Lawford parish registers
are checked to see what they say.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
John Brandon wrote:
< Nice work on this, Doug.
<
< I'm still wondering if "Judith, aged 25" wasn't an older daughter who
< died soon after arrival in New England. That way, none of the ages
< would be terribly off (if we accept Hotten's reading of William's age
< as 50, rather than 40).
<
< Do you still think the 1609 Hubbard-Hawes marriage is for the New
< England immigrants? Seems quite possible if Judith had a brief first
< marriage ...
After giving the matter some thought, I've decided to follow the
traditional view that Judith Hubbard, aged 25, on the ship Defense in
1635 was William Hubbard's wife, rather than a daughter of the same
name. I also believe that the Judith Hubbard who was on the ship,
Defense, was Judith Knapp. I have three reasons for taking this
position:
(1) We know that William Hubbard's wife's name before and after 1635
was Judith. We also know that ages in the London Port Books are
notoriously inaccurate.
(2) If William Hubbard's wife in 1635 was a much younger second wife,
we should expect them to produce a flock of children between 1635 and
1652, when Judith last occurs in the records. Instead, it appears that
there was but one additional child born to this couple, a daughter,
Margaret, born say 1636 (Mr. Anderson's guesstimate). If we place
Margaret's birth at the extreme end of Judith Knapp's child bearing
years at age 42-44, it gives us a birthdate for Judith Knapp of
1592-1594. This estimated birthdate agrees well with the fact that
Judith Knapp was an unmarried minor in 1604, but married before 1612.
(3) There is no record of a subsequent history of any Hubbard daughter
named Judith in New England records. Conversely, we do find records
for the daughters, Martha and Margaret Hubbard, but not for Mary
Hubbard, who evidently returned to England with her husband, Rev.
William Knight.
I remain neutral as to whether Judith Knapp is the same person as
Judith Hawes who married in 1609 at Lawford, Essex to William Hubbard.
The date and the place for the marriage certainly look good. And,
there was certainly a well placed Hawes family in Ipswich, Suffolk,
into which family Judith Knapp could have married. However, if Judith
Knapp had a first marriage to a Hawes, it was necessarily brief. On
this score, I think we should wait until the Lawford parish registers
are checked to see what they say.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
John Brandon wrote:
< Nice work on this, Doug.
<
< I'm still wondering if "Judith, aged 25" wasn't an older daughter who
< died soon after arrival in New England. That way, none of the ages
< would be terribly off (if we accept Hotten's reading of William's age
< as 50, rather than 40).
<
< Do you still think the 1609 Hubbard-Hawes marriage is for the New
< England immigrants? Seems quite possible if Judith had a brief first
< marriage ...
-
Vickie Elam White
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
Douglas,
You have said that the marriage of William Hubbard and Judith Knapp
is given in the 1612 Visitation of Suffolk. What is the exact wording?
Was she called a widow? Was her name given as Knapp, or Hawes, or
merely a daughter of John Knapp?
Vickie Elam White
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146762170.227587.250470@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
snip
You have said that the marriage of William Hubbard and Judith Knapp
is given in the 1612 Visitation of Suffolk. What is the exact wording?
Was she called a widow? Was her name given as Knapp, or Hawes, or
merely a daughter of John Knapp?
Vickie Elam White
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146762170.227587.250470@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
snip
I remain neutral as to whether Judith Knapp is the same person as
Judith Hawes who married in 1609 at Lawford, Essex to William Hubbard.
The date and the place for the marriage certainly look good. And,
there was certainly a well placed Hawes family in Ipswich, Suffolk,
into which family Judith Knapp could have married. However, if Judith
Knapp had a first marriage to a Hawes, it was necessarily brief. On
this score, I think we should wait until the Lawford parish registers
are checked to see what they say.
snip
-
John Brandon
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
Doug, it makes a lot of sense to me ...
Douglas Richardson wrote:
Douglas Richardson wrote:
Dear John ~
After giving the matter some thought, I've decided to follow the
traditional view that Judith Hubbard, aged 25, on the ship Defense in
1635 was William Hubbard's wife, rather than a daughter of the same
name. I also believe that the Judith Hubbard who was on the ship,
Defense, was Judith Knapp. I have three reasons for taking this
position:
(1) We know that William Hubbard's wife's name before and after 1635
was Judith. We also know that ages in the London Port Books are
notoriously inaccurate.
(2) If William Hubbard's wife in 1635 was a much younger second wife,
we should expect them to produce a flock of children between 1635 and
1652, when Judith last occurs in the records. Instead, it appears that
there was but one additional child born to this couple, a daughter,
Margaret, born say 1636 (Mr. Anderson's guesstimate). If we place
Margaret's birth at the extreme end of Judith Knapp's child bearing
years at age 42-44, it gives us a birthdate for Judith Knapp of
1592-1594. This estimated birthdate agrees well with the fact that
Judith Knapp was an unmarried minor in 1604, but married before 1612.
(3) There is no record of a subsequent history of any Hubbard daughter
named Judith in New England records. Conversely, we do find records
for the daughters, Martha and Margaret Hubbard, but not for Mary
Hubbard, who evidently returned to England with her husband, Rev.
William Knight.
I remain neutral as to whether Judith Knapp is the same person as
Judith Hawes who married in 1609 at Lawford, Essex to William Hubbard.
The date and the place for the marriage certainly look good. And,
there was certainly a well placed Hawes family in Ipswich, Suffolk,
into which family Judith Knapp could have married. However, if Judith
Knapp had a first marriage to a Hawes, it was necessarily brief. On
this score, I think we should wait until the Lawford parish registers
are checked to see what they say.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
John Brandon wrote:
Nice work on this, Doug.
I'm still wondering if "Judith, aged 25" wasn't an older daughter who
died soon after arrival in New England. That way, none of the ages
would be terribly off (if we accept Hotten's reading of William's age
as 50, rather than 40).
Do you still think the 1609 Hubbard-Hawes marriage is for the New
England immigrants? Seems quite possible if Judith had a brief first
marriage ...
-
John Brandon
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
--from "Blois Family Archives" on A2A ...
Reference: HA30/312/257
Grant of annuity of L6 from the same messuage, William Bloyse, younger,
Ipswich, gent., to Martha Knapp, of the same town, widow, by right of
dower
Creation dates: 8th April, 1605
Reference: HA30/312/257
Grant of annuity of L6 from the same messuage, William Bloyse, younger,
Ipswich, gent., to Martha Knapp, of the same town, widow, by right of
dower
Creation dates: 8th April, 1605
-
Douglas Richardson
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
Dear John, et al.
Below are eight additional references to John Knapp (died 1604), of
Ipswich, Suffolk, father of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard, taken from the A2A
Catalogue.
I'm curious to know if anyone on the newsgroup is descended from the
immigrant, William Hubbard, and his wife, Judith Knapp?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Source: A2A Catalogue (http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp)
1. Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch: Ipswich Borough Court of
Quarter Sessions
Reference: C/2/9/1/2/4/2/1
Articles of agreement for repair of Bourne Bridge
Creation dates: 1 Sep. 1579
Made between Sir Robert Wyngfeld of Letheringham, kt., Sir Phillip
Parker of Erwarton, kt., Thomas Seckford of Ipswich, esq, and Philip
Tylney of Shelley, esq. [county Justices]; Robert Cutler and John
Knappe [Bailiffs], John Moore and John Barker [borough Justices], all
of Ipswich, merchants; and John Knights of Balton [? Belton] and
William Knights of Crowfield, free masons; the bridge, said to be
'gretely ruyned and decaied', to be repaired for £300, half to be paid
by the county and half by the borough
2. Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch: Ipswich Borough Court of
Quarter Sessions
Reference: C/2/10/1/22
Robert Cutler, John Knappe, Bailiffs
Creation dates: 1578-1579
Extent and Form: 12 membranes
Scope and Content
Includes:
-- will, Robert Braye, 15 Dec. 1578
-- deposition re alteration to will of George Coppinge, fishmonger, 6
Mar. 1579
-- Assize of Fresh Force, 1-20 Apr. 1574
3. Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch: Ipswich Borough Court of
Quarter Sessions
Reference: C/2/10/1/29
John Moore, John Knappe, Bailiffs
Creation dates: 1584-1585
Extent and Form: 17 membranes
4. Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch: Ipswich Borough Court of
Quarter Sessions
Reference: C/2/10/1/37
John Knappe, Robert Cutler jun., Bailiffs
Creation dates: 1591-1592
Extent and Form: 8 membranes
Scope and Content
Includes as wrapper:
-- fragment of deed of property in Barham, Henley and Hemingstone,
stitched to fragment of will, John Armiger of Clopton, both n.d. [16c.]
5. Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch: Ipswich Borough Court of
Quarter Sessions
Reference: C/2/10/1/43
John Knappe, Robert Cutler, Bailiffs
Creation dates: 1597-1598
Extent and Form: 16 membranes
Scope and Content
Portmanmote omitted
Includes:
-- writ, 5 Feb. 1599 forbidding Ipswich JPs to molest Merable Cason,
spinster, who has been pardoned of felony by the Crown; stitched to
enrolment of Sessions of the Peace, 6 Mar. 1598
6. Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch: Ipswich Borough Court of
Quarter Sessions
Reference: C/2/10/1/47
John Knappe, Robert Snellinge, William Bloyse, Bailiffs
Creation dates: 1601-1602
Extent and Form: 4 membranes
Scope and Content
Petty Pleas omitted; Sessions incomplete
Includes as wrapper:
-- exemplification of depositions of Simon Sutton, clerk, Matthew
Wynde, glazier and Christopher Brooke, tailor, all of Ipswich, re
valuation of goods in possession of Richard Frythe and Daniel Felton,
n.d.; stitched to fragment of deed of property copyhold of manor of
Claydon, n.d. [? late 16c.]
7. Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch: Ipswich Borough Court of
Quarter Sessions
Reference: C/2/10/1/50
Edward Goodinge, William Bloyse jun., Bailiffs
Creation dates: 1604-1605
Extent and Form: 7 membranes
Scope and Content
Portmanmote and Petty Pleas omitted
Includes as wrapper:
-- feoffment of tenement in PE, copyhold of manor of Weylonds, John
Knappe of Ipswich, merchant to John Dicklie of Ipswich, gent., 13 Oct.
1578; stitched to apprenticeship indenture, James Shearman, son of John
Shearman of Ipswich, innholder, bound to Peter Raye of Ipswich, tailor,
10 Mar. 1579; endorsed with brief scriptural texts
8. Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch: Blois Family Archives
Reference: HA30/312/217
Conveyance of a messuage Chasers in Levington, John Knappe, Ipswich,
merchant, to Humfrey Seckford
Creation dates: 19th January, 1593
Below are eight additional references to John Knapp (died 1604), of
Ipswich, Suffolk, father of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard, taken from the A2A
Catalogue.
I'm curious to know if anyone on the newsgroup is descended from the
immigrant, William Hubbard, and his wife, Judith Knapp?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Source: A2A Catalogue (http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp)
1. Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch: Ipswich Borough Court of
Quarter Sessions
Reference: C/2/9/1/2/4/2/1
Articles of agreement for repair of Bourne Bridge
Creation dates: 1 Sep. 1579
Made between Sir Robert Wyngfeld of Letheringham, kt., Sir Phillip
Parker of Erwarton, kt., Thomas Seckford of Ipswich, esq, and Philip
Tylney of Shelley, esq. [county Justices]; Robert Cutler and John
Knappe [Bailiffs], John Moore and John Barker [borough Justices], all
of Ipswich, merchants; and John Knights of Balton [? Belton] and
William Knights of Crowfield, free masons; the bridge, said to be
'gretely ruyned and decaied', to be repaired for £300, half to be paid
by the county and half by the borough
2. Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch: Ipswich Borough Court of
Quarter Sessions
Reference: C/2/10/1/22
Robert Cutler, John Knappe, Bailiffs
Creation dates: 1578-1579
Extent and Form: 12 membranes
Scope and Content
Includes:
-- will, Robert Braye, 15 Dec. 1578
-- deposition re alteration to will of George Coppinge, fishmonger, 6
Mar. 1579
-- Assize of Fresh Force, 1-20 Apr. 1574
3. Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch: Ipswich Borough Court of
Quarter Sessions
Reference: C/2/10/1/29
John Moore, John Knappe, Bailiffs
Creation dates: 1584-1585
Extent and Form: 17 membranes
4. Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch: Ipswich Borough Court of
Quarter Sessions
Reference: C/2/10/1/37
John Knappe, Robert Cutler jun., Bailiffs
Creation dates: 1591-1592
Extent and Form: 8 membranes
Scope and Content
Includes as wrapper:
-- fragment of deed of property in Barham, Henley and Hemingstone,
stitched to fragment of will, John Armiger of Clopton, both n.d. [16c.]
5. Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch: Ipswich Borough Court of
Quarter Sessions
Reference: C/2/10/1/43
John Knappe, Robert Cutler, Bailiffs
Creation dates: 1597-1598
Extent and Form: 16 membranes
Scope and Content
Portmanmote omitted
Includes:
-- writ, 5 Feb. 1599 forbidding Ipswich JPs to molest Merable Cason,
spinster, who has been pardoned of felony by the Crown; stitched to
enrolment of Sessions of the Peace, 6 Mar. 1598
6. Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch: Ipswich Borough Court of
Quarter Sessions
Reference: C/2/10/1/47
John Knappe, Robert Snellinge, William Bloyse, Bailiffs
Creation dates: 1601-1602
Extent and Form: 4 membranes
Scope and Content
Petty Pleas omitted; Sessions incomplete
Includes as wrapper:
-- exemplification of depositions of Simon Sutton, clerk, Matthew
Wynde, glazier and Christopher Brooke, tailor, all of Ipswich, re
valuation of goods in possession of Richard Frythe and Daniel Felton,
n.d.; stitched to fragment of deed of property copyhold of manor of
Claydon, n.d. [? late 16c.]
7. Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch: Ipswich Borough Court of
Quarter Sessions
Reference: C/2/10/1/50
Edward Goodinge, William Bloyse jun., Bailiffs
Creation dates: 1604-1605
Extent and Form: 7 membranes
Scope and Content
Portmanmote and Petty Pleas omitted
Includes as wrapper:
-- feoffment of tenement in PE, copyhold of manor of Weylonds, John
Knappe of Ipswich, merchant to John Dicklie of Ipswich, gent., 13 Oct.
1578; stitched to apprenticeship indenture, James Shearman, son of John
Shearman of Ipswich, innholder, bound to Peter Raye of Ipswich, tailor,
10 Mar. 1579; endorsed with brief scriptural texts
8. Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch: Blois Family Archives
Reference: HA30/312/217
Conveyance of a messuage Chasers in Levington, John Knappe, Ipswich,
merchant, to Humfrey Seckford
Creation dates: 19th January, 1593
-
Douglas Richardson
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
Vickie ~
You have your facts wrong.
I have a copy of the Rogers pedigree in Candler's Suffolk and Essex
Pedigrees, Vol. 1, pp. 466-467. It gives the following information:
"Nath'll [Rogers] who married Marg[ar]et daughter of Robert Crane of
Cockshall in Essex - he died in New England and left issue. He was the
father of John, Nath'll, Samuel, Timothy, and Mary married to Wm.
Hobert."
So, the Rogers pedigree states that Mary Rogers married William Hobert
(or Hubbard), not William Heley. It says the same thing in the Knapp
pedigree on pages 316-317. Hobert is a variant form of Hubbard.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
Vickie Elam White wrote:
You have your facts wrong.
I have a copy of the Rogers pedigree in Candler's Suffolk and Essex
Pedigrees, Vol. 1, pp. 466-467. It gives the following information:
"Nath'll [Rogers] who married Marg[ar]et daughter of Robert Crane of
Cockshall in Essex - he died in New England and left issue. He was the
father of John, Nath'll, Samuel, Timothy, and Mary married to Wm.
Hobert."
So, the Rogers pedigree states that Mary Rogers married William Hobert
(or Hubbard), not William Heley. It says the same thing in the Knapp
pedigree on pages 316-317. Hobert is a variant form of Hubbard.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
Vickie Elam White wrote:
Douglas,
Earlier in this discussion I had said that the Candler manuscript contained
several grave errors. I was incorrect, and I apologize. It is actually a
paper by Joseph Hunter on early Suffolk emigrants, published __ Proceedings
of the Massachusetts Historical Society __ Vol. X, 3d series (1849),
beginning on p. 147, that contained those errors.
Hunter, usually a careful and well-respected researcher, used the Candler
manuscript as his source, but he bungled it. An article by Joseph L.
Chester revealed and corrected the errors on the Rogers family that had
appeared in Hunter's paper. Chester's article was published in NEHGR
17:43-50 (1863) (it also appeared in __ Proceedings of the Massachusetts
Historical Society __ in 1862, and John Brandon had posted a link to this
earlier in this discussion).
However, even the Candler manuscript has some inconsistencies. Under the
Knapp pedigree it says "Judith Knappe, wife to Wm Hobert; a daughter of hers
married Mr. Knight, minister of St. Mathew's Parish in Ipswich: Wm Hobert
married Mary, daught. of Natha. Rogers." But under the Rogers pedigree
lists Nathaniel Rogers's daughter thusly - "Mary, married to Wm. Heley."
Source: NEHGR 17:47.
Vickie Elam White
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146754569.716599.35400@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dear Newsgroup ~
As a followup to my post about the dating of Candler's Suffolk & Essex
Pedigrees, I found the following comment written in Volume II regarding
the children of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's cousin, Samuel Knapp.
According to Candler, Samuel Knapp and his wife, Anne Cooke, had twenty
children, of which ten were living in 1658:
pg. 161: "XX. children of which were alive 1658 Anne, Samuel,
Elizabeth, Mary, Alice, Thomas, John, Robert, Daniel, Simon
(posthumous)."
It seems obvious from this comment that the author of the pedigree, Mr.
Candler, had first hand knowledge of the Knapp family provided to him
by a member of the Knapp family sometime in the year, 1658.
This date agrees well with our other information about Rev. William
Knight, the son-in-law of William and Judith (Knapp) Hubbard, who was
presented to St. Matthew's, Ipswich in 1655 by Oliver Cromwell. Volume
II of the Candler's Pedigrees specifically names him:
pg. 158 (Knapp pedigree: "Judith [Knapp], married to William Hobert.
William her sonne married Mary daughter of Nathll Rogers, pastor of a
church in N. England .... one of her daughters was married to William
Knight, minister of St. Matthewes parish in Ipswich."),
Since Rev. Knight was not presented until 1655, the Knapp pedigree in
Volume II must date after that date. Also, please note that Mr.
Candler refers to the multiple daughters of Judith Knapp, making it
clear that she was the mother of both older Hubbard girls, Martha and
Mary.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
-
Vickie Elam White
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
Douglas,
I was just relaying what the NEHGR article said. I don't have a copy of
the Candler manuscript.
Vickie Elam White
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146842170.950061.44110@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I was just relaying what the NEHGR article said. I don't have a copy of
the Candler manuscript.
Vickie Elam White
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146842170.950061.44110@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Vickie ~
You have your facts wrong.
I have a copy of the Rogers pedigree in Candler's Suffolk and Essex
Pedigrees, Vol. 1, pp. 466-467. It gives the following information:
"Nath'll [Rogers] who married Marg[ar]et daughter of Robert Crane of
Cockshall in Essex - he died in New England and left issue. He was the
father of John, Nath'll, Samuel, Timothy, and Mary married to Wm.
Hobert."
So, the Rogers pedigree states that Mary Rogers married William Hobert
(or Hubbard), not William Heley. It says the same thing in the Knapp
pedigree on pages 316-317. Hobert is a variant form of Hubbard.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
Vickie Elam White wrote:
Douglas,
Earlier in this discussion I had said that the Candler manuscript
contained
several grave errors. I was incorrect, and I apologize. It is actually
a
paper by Joseph Hunter on early Suffolk emigrants, published __
Proceedings
of the Massachusetts Historical Society __ Vol. X, 3d series (1849),
beginning on p. 147, that contained those errors.
Hunter, usually a careful and well-respected researcher, used the
Candler
manuscript as his source, but he bungled it. An article by Joseph L.
Chester revealed and corrected the errors on the Rogers family that had
appeared in Hunter's paper. Chester's article was published in NEHGR
17:43-50 (1863) (it also appeared in __ Proceedings of the Massachusetts
Historical Society __ in 1862, and John Brandon had posted a link to
this
earlier in this discussion).
However, even the Candler manuscript has some inconsistencies. Under
the
Knapp pedigree it says "Judith Knappe, wife to Wm Hobert; a daughter of
hers
married Mr. Knight, minister of St. Mathew's Parish in Ipswich: Wm
Hobert
married Mary, daught. of Natha. Rogers." But under the Rogers pedigree
lists Nathaniel Rogers's daughter thusly - "Mary, married to Wm. Heley."
Source: NEHGR 17:47.
Vickie Elam White
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146754569.716599.35400@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dear Newsgroup ~
As a followup to my post about the dating of Candler's Suffolk & Essex
Pedigrees, I found the following comment written in Volume II
regarding
the children of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's cousin, Samuel Knapp.
According to Candler, Samuel Knapp and his wife, Anne Cooke, had
twenty
children, of which ten were living in 1658:
pg. 161: "XX. children of which were alive 1658 Anne, Samuel,
Elizabeth, Mary, Alice, Thomas, John, Robert, Daniel, Simon
(posthumous)."
It seems obvious from this comment that the author of the pedigree,
Mr.
Candler, had first hand knowledge of the Knapp family provided to him
by a member of the Knapp family sometime in the year, 1658.
This date agrees well with our other information about Rev. William
Knight, the son-in-law of William and Judith (Knapp) Hubbard, who was
presented to St. Matthew's, Ipswich in 1655 by Oliver Cromwell.
Volume
II of the Candler's Pedigrees specifically names him:
pg. 158 (Knapp pedigree: "Judith [Knapp], married to William Hobert.
William her sonne married Mary daughter of Nathll Rogers, pastor of a
church in N. England .... one of her daughters was married to William
Knight, minister of St. Matthewes parish in Ipswich."),
Since Rev. Knight was not presented until 1655, the Knapp pedigree in
Volume II must date after that date. Also, please note that Mr.
Candler refers to the multiple daughters of Judith Knapp, making it
clear that she was the mother of both older Hubbard girls, Martha and
Mary.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
-
Vickie Elam White
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
Douglas,
I forgot to ask - are the Candler manuscript, as Chester and Hunter called
it, and Candler's Suffolk and Essex Pedigrees two different sources (the
latter based on the former)? Chester specifically called his source a
manuscript and said it was in the British Museum (at least in 1863). It
didn't sound like it had been published.
Just wondering. That would probably account for the differences between
what you're seeing and what Hunter and Chester saw. In which case,
what other differences are there? And if any, are they important?
Vickie Elam White
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146842170.950061.44110@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I forgot to ask - are the Candler manuscript, as Chester and Hunter called
it, and Candler's Suffolk and Essex Pedigrees two different sources (the
latter based on the former)? Chester specifically called his source a
manuscript and said it was in the British Museum (at least in 1863). It
didn't sound like it had been published.
Just wondering. That would probably account for the differences between
what you're seeing and what Hunter and Chester saw. In which case,
what other differences are there? And if any, are they important?
Vickie Elam White
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146842170.950061.44110@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Vickie ~
You have your facts wrong.
I have a copy of the Rogers pedigree in Candler's Suffolk and Essex
Pedigrees, Vol. 1, pp. 466-467. It gives the following information:
"Nath'll [Rogers] who married Marg[ar]et daughter of Robert Crane of
Cockshall in Essex - he died in New England and left issue. He was the
father of John, Nath'll, Samuel, Timothy, and Mary married to Wm.
Hobert."
So, the Rogers pedigree states that Mary Rogers married William Hobert
(or Hubbard), not William Heley. It says the same thing in the Knapp
pedigree on pages 316-317. Hobert is a variant form of Hubbard.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
Vickie Elam White wrote:
Douglas,
Earlier in this discussion I had said that the Candler manuscript
contained
several grave errors. I was incorrect, and I apologize. It is actually
a
paper by Joseph Hunter on early Suffolk emigrants, published __
Proceedings
of the Massachusetts Historical Society __ Vol. X, 3d series (1849),
beginning on p. 147, that contained those errors.
Hunter, usually a careful and well-respected researcher, used the
Candler
manuscript as his source, but he bungled it. An article by Joseph L.
Chester revealed and corrected the errors on the Rogers family that had
appeared in Hunter's paper. Chester's article was published in NEHGR
17:43-50 (1863) (it also appeared in __ Proceedings of the Massachusetts
Historical Society __ in 1862, and John Brandon had posted a link to
this
earlier in this discussion).
However, even the Candler manuscript has some inconsistencies. Under
the
Knapp pedigree it says "Judith Knappe, wife to Wm Hobert; a daughter of
hers
married Mr. Knight, minister of St. Mathew's Parish in Ipswich: Wm
Hobert
married Mary, daught. of Natha. Rogers." But under the Rogers pedigree
lists Nathaniel Rogers's daughter thusly - "Mary, married to Wm. Heley."
Source: NEHGR 17:47.
Vickie Elam White
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146754569.716599.35400@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dear Newsgroup ~
As a followup to my post about the dating of Candler's Suffolk & Essex
Pedigrees, I found the following comment written in Volume II
regarding
the children of Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's cousin, Samuel Knapp.
According to Candler, Samuel Knapp and his wife, Anne Cooke, had
twenty
children, of which ten were living in 1658:
pg. 161: "XX. children of which were alive 1658 Anne, Samuel,
Elizabeth, Mary, Alice, Thomas, John, Robert, Daniel, Simon
(posthumous)."
It seems obvious from this comment that the author of the pedigree,
Mr.
Candler, had first hand knowledge of the Knapp family provided to him
by a member of the Knapp family sometime in the year, 1658.
This date agrees well with our other information about Rev. William
Knight, the son-in-law of William and Judith (Knapp) Hubbard, who was
presented to St. Matthew's, Ipswich in 1655 by Oliver Cromwell.
Volume
II of the Candler's Pedigrees specifically names him:
pg. 158 (Knapp pedigree: "Judith [Knapp], married to William Hobert.
William her sonne married Mary daughter of Nathll Rogers, pastor of a
church in N. England .... one of her daughters was married to William
Knight, minister of St. Matthewes parish in Ipswich."),
Since Rev. Knight was not presented until 1655, the Knapp pedigree in
Volume II must date after that date. Also, please note that Mr.
Candler refers to the multiple daughters of Judith Knapp, making it
clear that she was the mother of both older Hubbard girls, Martha and
Mary.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
-
Douglas Richardson
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
Vickie,
Here is the information for Candler's Suffolk and Essex Pedigrees from
the FHL Catalogue .
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... umns=*,0,0
According to the catalogue, the original Candler manuscript is held by
the Bodleian Library, Oxford, England.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
Vickie Elam White wrote:
< Douglas,
<
< I forgot to ask - are the Candler manuscript, as Chester and Hunter
called
< it, and Candler's Suffolk and Essex Pedigrees two different sources
(the
< latter based on the former)? Chester specifically called his source
a
< manuscript and said it was in the British Museum (at least in 1863).
It
< didn't sound like it had been published.
<
< Just wondering. That would probably account for the differences
between
< what you're seeing and what Hunter and Chester saw. In which case,
< what other differences are there? And if any, are they important?
<
< Vickie Elam White
Here is the information for Candler's Suffolk and Essex Pedigrees from
the FHL Catalogue .
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... umns=*,0,0
According to the catalogue, the original Candler manuscript is held by
the Bodleian Library, Oxford, England.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
Vickie Elam White wrote:
< Douglas,
<
< I forgot to ask - are the Candler manuscript, as Chester and Hunter
called
< it, and Candler's Suffolk and Essex Pedigrees two different sources
(the
< latter based on the former)? Chester specifically called his source
a
< manuscript and said it was in the British Museum (at least in 1863).
It
< didn't sound like it had been published.
<
< Just wondering. That would probably account for the differences
between
< what you're seeing and what Hunter and Chester saw. In which case,
< what other differences are there? And if any, are they important?
<
< Vickie Elam White
-
Vickie Elam White
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
Douglas,
OK, seems like two different things. Chester must have transcribed the
manuscript into book form after he wrote the NEHGR article. I still don't
understand why there were differences. Have you read the NEHGR article?
Vickie Elam White
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146848354.466587.206090@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
OK, seems like two different things. Chester must have transcribed the
manuscript into book form after he wrote the NEHGR article. I still don't
understand why there were differences. Have you read the NEHGR article?
Vickie Elam White
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146848354.466587.206090@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Vickie,
Here is the information for Candler's Suffolk and Essex Pedigrees from
the FHL Catalogue .
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... umns=*,0,0
According to the catalogue, the original Candler manuscript is held by
the Bodleian Library, Oxford, England.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
Vickie Elam White wrote:
Douglas,
I forgot to ask - are the Candler manuscript, as Chester and Hunter
called
it, and Candler's Suffolk and Essex Pedigrees two different sources
(the
latter based on the former)? Chester specifically called his source
a
manuscript and said it was in the British Museum (at least in 1863).
It
didn't sound like it had been published.
Just wondering. That would probably account for the differences
between
what you're seeing and what Hunter and Chester saw. In which case,
what other differences are there? And if any, are they important?
Vickie Elam White
-
Vickie Elam White
Re: Judith (Knapp) Hubbard and her children
Douglas,
Elsewhere in this thread, the date of the Candler manuscript was given as ca
1660. According to Chester, it was written in 1656. Source: NEHGR 71:48.
On p. 50 of his article, Chester states "It is also right to state that the
Rogers pedigree, as given by Candler, is certainly defective and incomplete,
and only to be relied upon so far as it extends." Further in the same
paragraph he states, that it is his "design eventually to produce another
volume of a purely genealogical and anecdotal character, which, I have
reason to believe, will prove acceptable on both sides of the Atlantic."
So, that subsequent work is evidently what you are using.
I would be interested to know if, in the body of that subsequent work,
Chester mentions his NEHGR article (or the work in which it originally
appeared, _Proceedings of the Massachusetts Historical Society_) and why he
made some changes.
Vickie Elam White
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146848354.466587.206090@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Elsewhere in this thread, the date of the Candler manuscript was given as ca
1660. According to Chester, it was written in 1656. Source: NEHGR 71:48.
On p. 50 of his article, Chester states "It is also right to state that the
Rogers pedigree, as given by Candler, is certainly defective and incomplete,
and only to be relied upon so far as it extends." Further in the same
paragraph he states, that it is his "design eventually to produce another
volume of a purely genealogical and anecdotal character, which, I have
reason to believe, will prove acceptable on both sides of the Atlantic."
So, that subsequent work is evidently what you are using.
I would be interested to know if, in the body of that subsequent work,
Chester mentions his NEHGR article (or the work in which it originally
appeared, _Proceedings of the Massachusetts Historical Society_) and why he
made some changes.
Vickie Elam White
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146848354.466587.206090@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Vickie,
Here is the information for Candler's Suffolk and Essex Pedigrees from
the FHL Catalogue .
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... umns=*,0,0
According to the catalogue, the original Candler manuscript is held by
the Bodleian Library, Oxford, England.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
Vickie Elam White wrote:
Douglas,
I forgot to ask - are the Candler manuscript, as Chester and Hunter
called
it, and Candler's Suffolk and Essex Pedigrees two different sources
(the
latter based on the former)? Chester specifically called his source
a
manuscript and said it was in the British Museum (at least in 1863).
It
didn't sound like it had been published.
Just wondering. That would probably account for the differences
between
what you're seeing and what Hunter and Chester saw. In which case,
what other differences are there? And if any, are they important?
Vickie Elam White
-
Douglas Richardson
Document relating to Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's ancestors
Dear Newsgroup ~
Below is a document dated 1401 taken from the helpful online A2A
Catalogue, which relates to Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's ancestors, William
Geddyng and his wife, Mirabel Aspale. The document likewise mentions
Mirabel Aspale's mother and step-father, Lady Katherine (Pecche) de
Aspale and Sir Thomas Notebem. Katherine (Pecche) (de Aspale) Notebem
is also ancestress through her Notebem marriage to another New World
immigrant, Jane (Lawrence) Giddings. The document concerns the manors
of Flempton, Lackford, and West Stow, Suffolk, which estates were part
of Mirabel (Aspale) Geddyng's inheritance from her father.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Source: A2A Catalogue (http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp)
Suffolk Record Office, Bury St Edmunds Branch: Hengrave
Reference: 449/2/150
Title Deed
Creation dates: 1401
Physical characteristics: Seals: 1. Armorial: SIGILI. ICHANNIS.
HYNKELEY. 2. Initial letter surmounted by a crown: damaged. 3. Seal
tag, seal missing.
Manors of Flempton, Lackford and West Stow
20 September 1401
At Great Thurlow
(i) John Hynkelegh, Robert Clerk, clerk, and Thomas Lopham to (ii)
William Geddyng and Mirabel his wife.
Grant in reversion of the manors of Lackford, Flempton and West Stow,
after the death of Katherine, wife of Thomas Notebem, kt.
To hold to (ii) and their issue; in default to the right heirs of
Mirabel.
Recites: 1. Grant, dated 1 September 1401, by (i) to Thomas Notebem,
kt., and Katherine his wife, of the said manors, for the term of the
life of the said Katherine, with reversion to (i).
2. Grant, dated 4 September 1401, by (i) to the said Thomas and
Katherine, of licence to waste the said manors during the life of
Katherine, without impeachment of the heirs, of (i), and also grant to
the said Thomas, if surviving his wife, or executors of Katherine if
she survives her husband, of freedom of entry and exit on the said
manors for one year after the death of the said Katherine, for the
purpose of removing corn, animals, goods and chattels, etc.
Witnesses: George Felbrygge, kt., Roger Drowery, kt., William
Berdewell, kt., Walter Kersener; Robert Kersener; Walter Glemsford;
John Notebem; John Cristemesse.
Endorsed: Carta talliat' de Lakford Flempton et Westowe. [c.16th
cent.].
In J. Gage's hand: Flempton.
Another hand: Henry IV.[19th cent.].
Below is a document dated 1401 taken from the helpful online A2A
Catalogue, which relates to Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's ancestors, William
Geddyng and his wife, Mirabel Aspale. The document likewise mentions
Mirabel Aspale's mother and step-father, Lady Katherine (Pecche) de
Aspale and Sir Thomas Notebem. Katherine (Pecche) (de Aspale) Notebem
is also ancestress through her Notebem marriage to another New World
immigrant, Jane (Lawrence) Giddings. The document concerns the manors
of Flempton, Lackford, and West Stow, Suffolk, which estates were part
of Mirabel (Aspale) Geddyng's inheritance from her father.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Source: A2A Catalogue (http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp)
Suffolk Record Office, Bury St Edmunds Branch: Hengrave
Reference: 449/2/150
Title Deed
Creation dates: 1401
Physical characteristics: Seals: 1. Armorial: SIGILI. ICHANNIS.
HYNKELEY. 2. Initial letter surmounted by a crown: damaged. 3. Seal
tag, seal missing.
Manors of Flempton, Lackford and West Stow
20 September 1401
At Great Thurlow
(i) John Hynkelegh, Robert Clerk, clerk, and Thomas Lopham to (ii)
William Geddyng and Mirabel his wife.
Grant in reversion of the manors of Lackford, Flempton and West Stow,
after the death of Katherine, wife of Thomas Notebem, kt.
To hold to (ii) and their issue; in default to the right heirs of
Mirabel.
Recites: 1. Grant, dated 1 September 1401, by (i) to Thomas Notebem,
kt., and Katherine his wife, of the said manors, for the term of the
life of the said Katherine, with reversion to (i).
2. Grant, dated 4 September 1401, by (i) to the said Thomas and
Katherine, of licence to waste the said manors during the life of
Katherine, without impeachment of the heirs, of (i), and also grant to
the said Thomas, if surviving his wife, or executors of Katherine if
she survives her husband, of freedom of entry and exit on the said
manors for one year after the death of the said Katherine, for the
purpose of removing corn, animals, goods and chattels, etc.
Witnesses: George Felbrygge, kt., Roger Drowery, kt., William
Berdewell, kt., Walter Kersener; Robert Kersener; Walter Glemsford;
John Notebem; John Cristemesse.
Endorsed: Carta talliat' de Lakford Flempton et Westowe. [c.16th
cent.].
In J. Gage's hand: Flempton.
Another hand: Henry IV.[19th cent.].
-
Hal Bradley
RE: Document relating to Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's ancestors
Douglas,
This is an interesting find. In the ancestry of John Stratton, husband of
Anne Derehaugh, is one Margery Felbrigg, who married Thomas Sampson.
Margery's paternal grandfather was Sir George Felbrigg who married Margery
Aspall, daughter of Sir John Aspall [Copinger, 3:86; Yorkshire Arch.
Journal, 35:209].
With "George Felbrygge, kt." being one of the witnesses to this transaction,
it is very likely that Margery Aspall's father is the same man who married
Katherine Pecche, as her first husband. It is unclear if Margery is the
daughter of Katherine Pecche or of an earlier, unidentified wife of Sir John
Aspall. Even so, John Stratton would still have a Magna Charta descent
through Margery Aspall's maternal grandmother, Mirabel Wake. Margery
Aspall's first husband was Sir Thomas Naunton, by whom she had a daughter
Margery who married Sir Roger Drury of Rougham, Suffolk [Morant, 1:471]. I
believe there are modern descendants of this marriage as well.
Any comments?
Hal Bradley
This is an interesting find. In the ancestry of John Stratton, husband of
Anne Derehaugh, is one Margery Felbrigg, who married Thomas Sampson.
Margery's paternal grandfather was Sir George Felbrigg who married Margery
Aspall, daughter of Sir John Aspall [Copinger, 3:86; Yorkshire Arch.
Journal, 35:209].
With "George Felbrygge, kt." being one of the witnesses to this transaction,
it is very likely that Margery Aspall's father is the same man who married
Katherine Pecche, as her first husband. It is unclear if Margery is the
daughter of Katherine Pecche or of an earlier, unidentified wife of Sir John
Aspall. Even so, John Stratton would still have a Magna Charta descent
through Margery Aspall's maternal grandmother, Mirabel Wake. Margery
Aspall's first husband was Sir Thomas Naunton, by whom she had a daughter
Margery who married Sir Roger Drury of Rougham, Suffolk [Morant, 1:471]. I
believe there are modern descendants of this marriage as well.
Any comments?
Hal Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Richardson [mailto:royalancestry@msn.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 2:04 PM
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Document relating to Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's ancestors
Dear Newsgroup ~
Below is a document dated 1401 taken from the helpful online A2A
Catalogue, which relates to Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's
ancestors, William
Geddyng and his wife, Mirabel Aspale. The document likewise mentions
Mirabel Aspale's mother and step-father, Lady Katherine (Pecche) de
Aspale and Sir Thomas Notebem. Katherine (Pecche) (de Aspale) Notebem
is also ancestress through her Notebem marriage to another New World
immigrant, Jane (Lawrence) Giddings. The document concerns the manors
of Flempton, Lackford, and West Stow, Suffolk, which estates were part
of Mirabel (Aspale) Geddyng's inheritance from her father.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Source: A2A Catalogue (http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp)
Suffolk Record Office, Bury St Edmunds Branch: Hengrave
Reference: 449/2/150
Title Deed
Creation dates: 1401
Physical characteristics: Seals: 1. Armorial: SIGILI. ICHANNIS.
HYNKELEY. 2. Initial letter surmounted by a crown: damaged. 3. Seal
tag, seal missing.
Manors of Flempton, Lackford and West Stow
20 September 1401
At Great Thurlow
(i) John Hynkelegh, Robert Clerk, clerk, and Thomas Lopham to (ii)
William Geddyng and Mirabel his wife.
Grant in reversion of the manors of Lackford, Flempton and West Stow,
after the death of Katherine, wife of Thomas Notebem, kt.
To hold to (ii) and their issue; in default to the right heirs of
Mirabel.
Recites: 1. Grant, dated 1 September 1401, by (i) to Thomas Notebem,
kt., and Katherine his wife, of the said manors, for the term of the
life of the said Katherine, with reversion to (i).
2. Grant, dated 4 September 1401, by (i) to the said Thomas and
Katherine, of licence to waste the said manors during the life of
Katherine, without impeachment of the heirs, of (i), and also grant to
the said Thomas, if surviving his wife, or executors of Katherine if
she survives her husband, of freedom of entry and exit on the said
manors for one year after the death of the said Katherine, for the
purpose of removing corn, animals, goods and chattels, etc.
Witnesses: George Felbrygge, kt., Roger Drowery, kt., William
Berdewell, kt., Walter Kersener; Robert Kersener; Walter Glemsford;
John Notebem; John Cristemesse.
Endorsed: Carta talliat' de Lakford Flempton et Westowe. [c.16th
cent.].
In J. Gage's hand: Flempton.
Another hand: Henry IV.[19th cent.].
-
Douglas Richardson
Re: Document relating to Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's ancestors
Dear Hal ~
Thank you for your post. It's always good to hear from you.
I'm not familiar with your ancestress, Margery Aspale, wife of George
de Felbrigge, Knt. She could well be a daughter of Sir John de Aspale
(living 1365), but if so, she was definitely not a child of his
surviving wife, Katherine Pecche. The 1406 inquisition post mortem of
Katherine (Pecche) (de Aspale) Notbeme indicates that Katherine was
survived by two daughters and co-heirs, Mirabel Aspale (wife of William
Geddyng) and Margaret Notbeme (wife of John Hynklegh). The first born
daughter, Mirabel Aspale, is ancestral to the immigrant, Judith (Knapp)
Hubbard. The second born daughter, Margaret Notbeme, is ancestral to
the immigrant, Jane (Lawrence) Giddings.
All the same, below is a record from the A2A Catalogue dated 1419
involving Lady Margery Felbrigge, who I presume is your ancestress.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
+ + + + + + + + + + + +
Source: A2A Catalogue (http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp)
Norfolk Record Office: Hare Family, Baronets of Stow Bardolph
Reference: Hare 5958 227 x 3
Charter - Attornment
Creation dates: 26 July 1419
Physical characteristics: Seal, armorial
Scope and Content
John Tendrynge, Esq. transfer of allegiance from Dame Margery Felbrigge
to William Clopton, James Andrewe, William Lampet and Andrew Bird,
chaplain
For his lands and tenements in Sprouton held of the manor of Sprouton
Wed. after St.James 7 Hy V
"Hal Bradley" wrote:
Thank you for your post. It's always good to hear from you.
I'm not familiar with your ancestress, Margery Aspale, wife of George
de Felbrigge, Knt. She could well be a daughter of Sir John de Aspale
(living 1365), but if so, she was definitely not a child of his
surviving wife, Katherine Pecche. The 1406 inquisition post mortem of
Katherine (Pecche) (de Aspale) Notbeme indicates that Katherine was
survived by two daughters and co-heirs, Mirabel Aspale (wife of William
Geddyng) and Margaret Notbeme (wife of John Hynklegh). The first born
daughter, Mirabel Aspale, is ancestral to the immigrant, Judith (Knapp)
Hubbard. The second born daughter, Margaret Notbeme, is ancestral to
the immigrant, Jane (Lawrence) Giddings.
All the same, below is a record from the A2A Catalogue dated 1419
involving Lady Margery Felbrigge, who I presume is your ancestress.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
+ + + + + + + + + + + +
Source: A2A Catalogue (http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp)
Norfolk Record Office: Hare Family, Baronets of Stow Bardolph
Reference: Hare 5958 227 x 3
Charter - Attornment
Creation dates: 26 July 1419
Physical characteristics: Seal, armorial
Scope and Content
John Tendrynge, Esq. transfer of allegiance from Dame Margery Felbrigge
to William Clopton, James Andrewe, William Lampet and Andrew Bird,
chaplain
For his lands and tenements in Sprouton held of the manor of Sprouton
Wed. after St.James 7 Hy V
"Hal Bradley" wrote:
Douglas,
This is an interesting find. In the ancestry of John Stratton, husband of
Anne Derehaugh, is one Margery Felbrigg, who married Thomas Sampson.
Margery's paternal grandfather was Sir George Felbrigg who married Margery
Aspall, daughter of Sir John Aspall [Copinger, 3:86; Yorkshire Arch.
Journal, 35:209].
With "George Felbrygge, kt." being one of the witnesses to this transaction,
it is very likely that Margery Aspall's father is the same man who married
Katherine Pecche, as her first husband. It is unclear if Margery is the
daughter of Katherine Pecche or of an earlier, unidentified wife of Sir John
Aspall. Even so, John Stratton would still have a Magna Charta descent
through Margery Aspall's maternal grandmother, Mirabel Wake. Margery
Aspall's first husband was Sir Thomas Naunton, by whom she had a daughter
Margery who married Sir Roger Drury of Rougham, Suffolk [Morant, 1:471]. I
believe there are modern descendants of this marriage as well.
Any comments?
Hal Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Richardson [mailto:royalancestry@msn.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 2:04 PM
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Document relating to Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's ancestors
Dear Newsgroup ~
Below is a document dated 1401 taken from the helpful online A2A
Catalogue, which relates to Judith (Knapp) Hubbard's
ancestors, William
Geddyng and his wife, Mirabel Aspale. The document likewise mentions
Mirabel Aspale's mother and step-father, Lady Katherine (Pecche) de
Aspale and Sir Thomas Notebem. Katherine (Pecche) (de Aspale) Notebem
is also ancestress through her Notebem marriage to another New World
immigrant, Jane (Lawrence) Giddings. The document concerns the manors
of Flempton, Lackford, and West Stow, Suffolk, which estates were part
of Mirabel (Aspale) Geddyng's inheritance from her father.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Source: A2A Catalogue (http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp)
Suffolk Record Office, Bury St Edmunds Branch: Hengrave
Reference: 449/2/150
Title Deed
Creation dates: 1401
Physical characteristics: Seals: 1. Armorial: SIGILI. ICHANNIS.
HYNKELEY. 2. Initial letter surmounted by a crown: damaged. 3. Seal
tag, seal missing.
Manors of Flempton, Lackford and West Stow
20 September 1401
At Great Thurlow
(i) John Hynkelegh, Robert Clerk, clerk, and Thomas Lopham to (ii)
William Geddyng and Mirabel his wife.
Grant in reversion of the manors of Lackford, Flempton and West Stow,
after the death of Katherine, wife of Thomas Notebem, kt.
To hold to (ii) and their issue; in default to the right heirs of
Mirabel.
Recites: 1. Grant, dated 1 September 1401, by (i) to Thomas Notebem,
kt., and Katherine his wife, of the said manors, for the term of the
life of the said Katherine, with reversion to (i).
2. Grant, dated 4 September 1401, by (i) to the said Thomas and
Katherine, of licence to waste the said manors during the life of
Katherine, without impeachment of the heirs, of (i), and also grant to
the said Thomas, if surviving his wife, or executors of Katherine if
she survives her husband, of freedom of entry and exit on the said
manors for one year after the death of the said Katherine, for the
purpose of removing corn, animals, goods and chattels, etc.
Witnesses: George Felbrygge, kt., Roger Drowery, kt., William
Berdewell, kt., Walter Kersener; Robert Kersener; Walter Glemsford;
John Notebem; John Cristemesse.
Endorsed: Carta talliat' de Lakford Flempton et Westowe. [c.16th
cent.].
In J. Gage's hand: Flempton.
Another hand: Henry IV.[19th cent.].
-
John Brandon
Re: A third Hubbard question
Here are a few Woodbridge descendants of Margaret (Hubbard) (Scott)
Rogers ...
http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cgi-bin/do ... SHOW=13149
Rogers ...
http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cgi-bin/do ... SHOW=13149